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    she is still leaving in Lala land, clearly she is a real Brexiter

    Brexit: UK will not be 'trapped' in backstop, May to tell EU
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47152035

    Theresa May will return to Brussels later to press EU leaders for legally binding changes to the Brexit deal.

    The PM will insist the UK will not be "trapped" in the backstop - the plan to avoid the return of Irish border checks should no UK-EU trade deal be in place.

    She will say the deal must change if it is to win the support of MPs who urged her to seek "alternative arrangements" when rejecting the deal last month.

    However, the EU has repeatedly ruled out changing the withdrawal agreement.

    And Mrs May's visit is being overshadowed by the row over Wednesday's outburst by Donald Tusk, who declared there was a "special place in hell" for those who campaigned for Brexit without a plan to deliver it.

    MPs who backed Leave in the 2016 referendum reacted with anger to the comments, accusing the European Council president of "arrogance".

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    Analysis: What awaits Theresa May in Brussels?

    There's pretty much zero expectation that any real progress will be made on Thursday when Theresa May comes back to Brussels looking for changes to the backstop.

    Mr Tusk is not alone in Europe in his frustration at leading Brexiteers' unrealistic promises...

    EU leaders are irritated too that - as they see it - the UK voted for Brexit but keeps looking to Brussels to come up with ways to make its exit workable and painless.

    But most senior European politicians are keeping those thoughts quiet - in public.

    Considering the tortuous political dance Theresa May is trying to pull off in Westminster, they realise outspokenly critical EU opinions may not be helpful if, in the end, they want to get this Brexit deal done with the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    Your graph shows Labour membership dropping by a little over 1% between 1970-1990 not your claimed 70%.

    Your graph only goes up to 3% maximum so your claim the graph indicates a 70% drop is actually 100% impossible.

    What is it with Brexiteers and graphs(normally learned in junior school)?


    .....Betty based on your posts you are borderline vegetable who offers nothing other than cliches and parroting of Daily Express propaganda, "My job is critical discourse analysis" ...
    It's quite difficult communicating with people that cannot read.

    3% of the electorate to less than 1% of the electorate (Conservatives) is a 70% drop. The same pattern was for the Labour Party & Lib Dems. This isn't difficult mathematics, so try to keep up; I presume, probably incorrectly, that one of you lot has at least a CSE in maths...

    Once again, I make valid points which are easy to read upon the graph, and the response from the remoaners is to misunderstand basic mathematics taught to 10 year old children, and offer zero discussion other than cliched insults in return.

    Sorry, I do like discussion, but I'm dealing with uneducated trolls here, so that's the end of trying to conduct discourse with you and C.
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    Why i put him on ignore.....its hopeless

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    It's quite difficult communicating with people that cannot read.

    3% of the electorate to less than 1% of the electorate (Conservatives) is a 70% drop. The same pattern was for the Labour Party & Lib Dems. This isn't difficult mathematics, so try to keep up;
    More incoherent nonsense from you, albeit different incoherent nonsense from your original statement.

    Once again, your graph does not indicate a 70% drop as per your claim, your graph only goes up to 3%. The graph does not mention 70% ...do you understand what the word 'indicate' means?

    Now you're wrongly claiming the graph shows the same pattern for Labour/LD which is also factually incorrect. LD share has never been much above 0.5% and Labour never reached 2%, while the Tories were above 3%, even forgetting the numbers and looking at the slope of the lines it's easy to see the Tory decline is way more pronounced.....you utter dunce!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    It's easy to check, party membership is detailed regularly...


    (As the graph indicates, between 1970-1990 party membership dropped by about 70%, and has stayed steady since excluding a bump for Labour leading up to the 2017 election - which has dropped 15% since last July and is still dropping.)





    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Once again, I make valid points which are easy to read upon the graph, and the response from the remoaners is to misunderstand basic mathematics taught to 10 year old children, and offer zero discussion other than cliched insults in return.
    Trying to pass yourself off as 'critical discourse analyst' was beyond stupid even by your standards, especially when you utterly failed to comprehend a simple xy graph which you posted...


    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Sorry, I do like discussion, but I'm dealing with uneducated trolls here, so that's the end of trying to conduct discourse with you and C.
    Now the 'critical discourse analyst' doesn't want discuss it further because doesn't like criticism mwah! mwah! ...cause you know you've been caught out and your stupidity laid bare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I'm dealing with uneducated trolls here
    Well, I know you were having a nice troll across several threads earlier, and I know what 'as the graph indicates...' means.

    Your job sounds dead impressive btw.


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    Not easy, but I will try one last time, easy step-by-step:

    The Graph below is titled: Membership as proportion of electorate. &, that's exactly what is shows. It's a nice simple graph because it simplifies the fact that the electorate changes each year depending upon things like population size, voting age, people who choose to register to vote, etc - this group is called "the electorate" (the people who made the graph have already done the underlying maths for you).



    The conservatives are very easy to analyse because they go from just below 3% to a bit more below 1%, and as everybody (should) know, when 3 is the total then 2 will be 67% of that total. and 1 will be 33.4% of that total. Remember, the graph does not show an absolute percentage, it shows the % of electorate who are party members, by party.

    The 70% drop that I quoted from 1970 to mid-1990s should be immediately obvious. But, just in case it isn't then let's run through the numbers; let's look at 2018 as the numbers are immediately available:

    An estimated 46.8 million people were registered to vote at the June 2017 UK Parliamentary general election. This was the largest electorate for a UK-wide poll, with approximately 500,000 more electors than at the 2015 general election and 300,000 more than at the 2016 EU referendum.
    https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/electoral-registration-at-the-uk-general-election-2017/2-the-size-of-the-electoral-register

    As of April 2018, Labour had 540,000 members, compared to just under 125,500 SNP members as of August 2018, and 124,000 Conservative members reported in March 2018. As of August 2018, The Liberal Democrats had 99,200, Green Party 39,400, UKIP 23,600 and Plaid Cymru 8,000 members. Party membership has risen notably since 2013, both in total and as a percentage of the electorate.ghgh
    https://researchbriefings.parliament...ummary/SN05125

    The Conservative party stayed pretty much consistent through 2017/2018, so we can calculate through by using the numbers on the first graph and electoral commission numbers then check them against the parliament.uk numbers - just to see that our maths are accurate.

    Our first graph shows us about .275% of the electorate, and the electorate was 46.8 million = 128,700. The number given by parliament.uk says 124,000, so our maths is good. The light discrepancy comes from the fact we cannot read the exact % from the top graph.

    Here's a graph with actual numbers I found for you:


    SN05125.pdf

    It shows the same information from the 1970s to 2018 as the first graph that some members found so amusing, but instead of "% of electorate" it shows the actual numbers of party members.

    And, it shows the Conservative party membership dropping from around 1.3million at the start of the 1970s to around 400,000 in the early/mid 1990s = a 70% drop, exactly as I said. The other two parties, although their numbers are different, show a similar pattern of about a 70% drop in membership over the same period. Except, as I said, when Corbyn took over, the Labour Party membership increased dramatically (300%), but is now steadily dropping (maybe losing half of the Corbyn gains by mid 2019).

    The last graph is quite interesting it has data for earlier years, and just look at the drop in membership for the Conservative party from 1950 to now; James Callaghan 1976-1979 and the early Thatcher years seemed to have a bit of a boon for the Conservatives and a dramatically bad time for Labour membership.

    The maths is not hard.

    Cyrille and Foobar could apologise for their rudeness and inaccuracy if they want (I would in a similar situation), but somehow I doubt that they will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    It's quite difficult communicating with people that cannot read.

    3% of the electorate to less than 1% of the electorate (Conservatives) is a 70% drop. The same pattern was for the Labour Party & Lib Dems. This isn't difficult mathematics, so try to keep up; I presume, probably incorrectly, that one of you lot has at least a CSE in maths...

    Once again, I make valid points which are easy to read upon the graph, and the response from the remoaners is to misunderstand basic mathematics taught to 10 year old children, and offer zero discussion other than cliched insults in return.

    Sorry, I do like discussion, but I'm dealing with uneducated trolls here, so that's the end of trying to conduct discourse with you and C.
    I bought something for 1 penny, and sold it for 2, I made 100%, I am the king of the world

    I think that was the point about the 1% drop from the 3% claim

    stupid Brexiters, no wonder they fall for every political trick in the book

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post

    Trying to pass yourself off as 'critical discourse analyst' was beyond stupid even by your standards, especially when you utterly failed to comprehend a simple xy graph which you posted...



    Now the 'critical discourse analyst' doesn't want discuss it further because doesn't like criticism mwah! mwah! ...cause you know you've been caught out and your stupidity laid bare.
    and he has scammed his university for a new MacBook (see his ridiculous macbook thread) so he could conduct "data research" on some bogus ML project, all paid for, while in reality he is going to play computer games all day

    next he will run a new AI farm for Bitcoin mining

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I bought something for 1 penny, and sold it for 2, I made 100%
    You're getting the hang of this, well done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    think that was the point about the 1% drop from the 3% claim
    No, the point was that the numbers "3%" and "1%" were of the tens of millions of people that made up "the electorate"; for the Conservative party, in the period quoted that was around 900,000 people difference, or to put it another way: from 1,000,000 to 400,000. Or, to put it another way: a 70% drop.

    I can only imagine these Remoaners are trolls because it is impossible to be as consistently stupid as they are.

    Having said that, there are good reasons to "remain", so not all remainers/remoaners are trolls, but the 3 in this page are either trolls, incredible stupid or both...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    in the period quoted that was around 900,000 people difference, or to put it another way: from 1,000,000 to 400,000.
    Hmmm, professional analyst, are you, and everybody else is stupid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I can only imagine these Remoaners are trolls because it is impossible to be as consistently stupid as they are. ..
    Bets, in this case truth is stranger than fiction....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    No, the point was that the numbers "3%" and "1%" were of the tens of millions of people that made up "the electorate"; for the Conservative party, in the period quoted that was around 900,000 people difference, or to put it another way: from 1,000,000 to 400,000. Or, to put it another way: a 70% drop.
    From 1,000,000 to 400,000 is a difference of 900,000 which is equivalent to a 70% drop?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I can only imagine these Remoaners are trolls because it is impossible to be as consistently stupid as they are.

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    Speaking of Political Party Membership, I seem to recall that back in the 1970's and early 80s, you needed to be a member to enter the Conservative or Labour clubs. Sometime, possibly the steep decline on the posted graph this was no longer required.

    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    The maths is not hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    From 1,000,000 to 400,000 is a difference of 900,000 which is equivalent to a 70% drop
    Betty defo needs that holiday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    Hmmm, professional analyst, are you, and everybody else is stupid?
    You're right, all in the excitement I said 1 million instead of the 1.3 million I had quoted previously - my mistake. A difference of 900,000 or a 70% drop from 1.3m to 400k.

    What about the mistakes from Cyrille, Foobar and Papillion - I'm still awaiting their admission, but all I see is insults and ignoring of the facts presented (facts from the electoral commission and UK parliament statistics).

    Having a discussion with trolls is a pointless exercise; they just ware you don't with their stupidity - ignorance really does seem to be bliss in their cases...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Speaking of Political Party Membership, I seem to recall that back in the 1970's and early 80s, you needed to be a member to enter the Conservative or Labour clubs. Sometime, possibly the steep decline on the posted graph this was no longer required.

    Just a thought.
    That was also part of my original point; engagement in political groups, as in meetings, discussions, etc, doesn't seem to be part off it nowadays - there's very little real discussion or political space. Do these conservative and labour clubs still actively exist? And, that the Corbyn affect, the huge increase in Labour member numbers over a short period of time seems to be dropping now, so that could be indicative that these new members weren't involved in politics in the same way that previous generations were.

    Times have changed, forums for discussion have changed dramatically. Now you have trollish behaviour which in a physical members club would be laughed out of the door.

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    I don't know if they exist in the way they used to Betty, I've been out of the loop for too long. I remember being a member of all three parties during my time in Cornwall, it was in order to use their clubs, which had a range of social activities. I do remember not having to be a member, sometime in the mid-80s but this could be due to falling membership numbers and wanting to keep the clubs open or the opposite. I have never done the research to find out.

    In the town I lived all three clubs were in a small square, Tory club on the right, labour on the left and liberal straight ahead. I imagine, if they are still open today, the same number of remain and leave will be in twoof them and the one straight ahead would be empty.

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    ^ I don't think many of these clubs exist anymore, sadly, as they did provide a valuable general social space, as well as a place where politics could be seriously discussed.

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    European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker has told Theresa May during "robust but constructive" talks that the European Union will not renegotiate the Brexit deal.

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    Wow, what a surprise... didn't see that coming.

    What will the Maybot do before Tuesday to get her agreement through?

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    Odd behaviour for one that continually whines about the lack of UK influence/control over EU policy.


    Nigel Farage has the lowest voting attendance record of any active MEP in the European Parliament.

    But exclusive analysis of the MEP voting records shows that Mr Farage only turned up to 40.7 per cent of all possible roll-call votes.

    This places him 745th out of 746 MEPs from across the different EU countries on the register.

    The 746th is Brian Crowley, a MEP in Ireland who has never voted, according to the register.

    A fall from a building left Mr Crowley paralysed from the waist down when he was 16 years old.

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    You do realise how many MEPs are in the 2 main blocks/coalitions right? Means voting is pointless other than as a protest vote. Surprised he even bothered to waste his time for 40% of votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    "special place in hell for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out..."
    Unusual for Tusk to be so harsh but it clearly shows how tired EU are of the British behavior in the negotiations.


    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker has told Theresa May during "robust but constructive" talks that the European Union will not renegotiate the Brexit deal.
    Should be an eyeopener for those who wonder whom of EU and Britain will blink first.

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