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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I see, so you think that the majority of the UK electorate voted Brexit because their EU commissioner was appointed and not elected. Or are you proposing the insane notion of the whole EU electorate voting for each countries' commissioner...wow that would be fun wouldn't it. DOH!

    When exactly did you have this whoosh moment? I think you may need to lie down while someone calls the nurse.
    I see, you can ascribe my thoughts based on one post now? No wonder people distrust anyone who thinks remain is a good idea.

    I am proposeing a second elected chamber, just like many other democracies use. I’ll agree it’s not perfect, but it is much better than the alternative.

    I have had no whoosh moments, just observing others inability t accept logic, good practice, or the deliberately stupid missing the point on purpose.

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    ^ Wasn't it Blair that got shouted down by the UK Parliament for proposing such a thing nearly 20 years ago?

    ..and you want Brexit because no-one want to resurrect such a proposal?

    Surely there must be more to Brexit than that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ Wasn't it Blair that got shouted down by the UK Parliament for proposing such a thing nearly 20 years ago?

    ..and you want Brexit because no-one want to resurrect such a proposal?

    Surely there must be more to Brexit than that...
    There you go again, doing my thinking for me.

    You are making assumptions about me, just like you are making assumptions about the future of the EU. Opinion is fine, when you know what you are talking about, instead of accepting brainwashed mantras.

    At least my thoughts and opinions are my own. If I followed any political doctrine, it would be to never discuss politics with ill informed malcontents.

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    The thing is Switch the EU works in the opposite way to the UK, and goverents in general. It has a commission that selects proposals to bring into law. These are selected for the benefit of Europe, as a whole, rather than individual nations. The proposals are analysed and discussed before bringing to the European parliament for amendment and approval.

    In this sense the European parliament is the second chamber

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The thing is Switch the EU works in the opposite way to the UK, and goverents in general. It has a commission that selects proposals to bring into law. These are selected for the benefit of Europe, as a whole, rather than individual nations. The proposals are analysed and discussed before bringing to the European parliament for amendment and approval.

    In this sense the European parliament is the second chamber
    The European Parliament should have primacy. The MEPs are, after all, true representatives of their people. Why have a private, secretive and unelected chamber as the only arbiter of legislation?

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    I think that would require stronger political integration. Perhaps, in time, nations will become less nationalistic and more united, such that a true European parliament could be elected. However, at the moment it's still a stepping stone approach, or was until Brexit knocked on the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    You really shouldn’t give your log in details to FRT. Repeting gifs and commentary is not only dull, it’s a sign that you have lost the plot as well as the debate.
    Whoosh, that's the sound of me not giving a fuck, you silly angry Pensioner

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    The commission is the collective executive branch, in case Chass missed school when EU was discussed in Geography

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I think that would require stronger political integration. Perhaps, in time, nations will become less nationalistic and more united, such that a true European parliament could be elected. However, at the moment it's still a stepping stone approach, or was until Brexit knocked on the door.
    Why would the fascists sat in the unelected chamber allow greater democracy when the whole EU project is about removing representation away from the people? It's set up from the very start to ensure that the MEPs can not impact the decisions made by tge junta, only delay them. Stronger political integration is not where they are going. Complete disintegration of common law, democracy, and freedom is their agenda. No wonder the belgiums love it so much. POWER

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    Sterling trading at US$1.26 and around 40.35 baht.
    If no deal and WTO status......my forecast is looking right on the money with $1.10 and 35 baht. Equities heading south as we tip into bear territory and bonds yielding less and less.

    Things are looking quite interesting.

    If we hit WTO at these rates then inflation will be 5% for sure but with the effects of cumulative low wages of the past decade and a government certain to hike tax rates then stagflation is inevitable. It is really quite amusing how the Brexit fuckups are not only turning the clock back to when continentals were coons but are also contriving to re-create the economy that prevailed when the UK was renown worldwide as the poor man of Europe.

    You couldn't write it, you simply couldn't make Brexit up.

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    It will be $1.14 USD to the pound. The same as the Euro, as May finally confesses that this is the plan all along and we have to remain in the EU and to do that, accept the Euro as currency.

    It was a done deal the day after May, an EU federalist, was appointed as PM.

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    You have to be the most economically illiterate poster on here SeekingMaleAss.

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    Brexit is like the climate debate. There are winners and Losers. Losers refuse to accept it is happening, are in total denial, or just winge and piss themselves and predict armageddon. Winners accept the fact, get on with their lives and come to grips with the inevitable and stay positive, thriving in the new environment, while the losers take turns in jumping off the tower bridge or some balcony in Pattaya.
    Mind you that's a positive for the rest in itself.

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    The failings of the EU system is just one aspect of this debate. The attitudes expressed by various posters demonstrate quite clearly why the aspirational society within Europe will never work.
    People, like nations are different and their needs are separate and ever changing. Despite what the leaders of Eutopia might think, it is not the solution for the majority.
    Those who want a United States of Europe are simply selfish, live for the moment individuals with a me, me, me attitude. Applying further political integration to these individuals or nations will simply not work.

    They cannot legislate the behavior of Japan, China, Australia or even the US. Nations, like individuals, do not work well in a one size fits all, spend someone else’s money, society. It is the opposite of innovation and entrepreneurship. Both are stifled under Eutopian conditions.

    Witness the disparity of opinion on this tiny forum, even among those in the same camps. One day you will have to accept that, The Eu is not the solution. The EU is the problem, grown out of all proportion to its original purpose, it’s a shining example of what happens when individuals do nothing. Power corrupts etc.

    Whatever happens in the coming years, the seeds of doubt have been planted, and individual nations will begin to act in their own interest, instead of toeing the federalist line of dogma. It’s broken and it needs fixing, sooner or later the conglomerate will weaken its grip, and it will fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The thing is Switch the EU works in the opposite way to the UK, and goverents in general. It has a commission that selects proposals to bring into law. These are selected for the benefit of Europe, as a whole, rather than individual nations. The proposals are analysed and discussed before bringing to the European parliament for amendment and approval.

    In this sense the European parliament is the second chamber
    Sounds like a dictatorship to me; especially when the German banks have such dominant control. No wonder people call it the 4th Reich...

    Basically, the EU was set up by Germany and its Poodles in the 50s & 60s to try to get power back after the shame of WW2 - nothing much has changed (except DB is insolvent, and even the German people are fed up of feeding the German 'elites')...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...European_Union
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    What's this treacherous rumour going around that PM May is going to delay the Meaningful vote for a second time. Does she really think it's going to change MPs minds?

    Get the vote over with and get the amendments through so the UK can find a better solution. Surely she can't push her luck again without a vote of no confidence. Problem is she'd probably scrape a pass on that as well. She's dead, history, along with her stupid agreement. It's time for someone with a bit of leadership to take over and solve this mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    It will be $1.14 USD to the pound. The same as the Euro, as May finally confesses that this is the plan all along and we have to remain in the EU and to do that, accept the Euro as currency.

    It was a done deal the day after May, an EU federalist, was appointed as PM.
    A revoking of A50 will keep all treaties in place so the UK opted out of the Euro will still stand, as will its opt out of further political integration. Leaving the EU under A50 and then rejoining, for instance after realising May's deal is utter shite, would require renegotiating all those opt outs, with less likelihood of success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Sounds like a dictatorship to me; especially when the German banks have such dominant control. No wonder people call it the 4th Reich...

    Basically, the EU was set up by Germany and its Poodles in the 50s & 60s to try to get power back after the shame of WW2 - nothing much has changed (except DB is insolvent, and even the German people are fed up of feeding the German 'elites')...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...European_Union
    You're welcome to your view on the EU, however ridiculous.

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    May will delay, and we will hard Brexit. The EU will be fuk'd, collapse and the UK after a difficult transition period of 3-5 years will be miles ahead of the EU disaster zone by 2023.

    Beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Those who want a United States of Europe are simply selfish, live for the moment individuals with a me, me, me attitude. Applying further political integration to these individuals or nations will simply not work.

    They cannot legislate the behavior of Japan, China, Australia or even the US. Nations, like individuals, do not work well in a one size fits all, spend someone else’s money, society. It is the opposite of innovation and entrepreneurship. Both are stifled under Eutopian conditions.
    What a load of fabricated gobbledeegook, void of any relation to reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Why would the fascists sat in the unelected chamber allow greater democracy when the whole EU project is about removing representation away from the people? It's set up from the very start to ensure that the MEPs can not impact the decisions made by tge junta, only delay them. Stronger political integration is not where they are going. Complete disintegration of common law, democracy, and freedom is their agenda. No wonder the belgiums love it so much. POWER

    Excellent point to those clucking we-is-democrat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Sounds like a dictatorship to me; especially when the German banks have such dominant control. No wonder people call it the 4th Reich...

    Basically, the EU was set up by Germany and its Poodles in the 50s & 60s to try to get power back after the shame of WW2 - nothing much has changed (except DB is insolvent, and even the German people are fed up of feeding the German 'elites')...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...European_Union
    But, but according to the blinkered basket cases Germany does not pwn the EU which btw is democratic because, well, because it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    What's this treacherous rumour going around that PM May is going to delay the Meaningful vote for a second time. Does she really think it's going to change MPs minds?

    Get the vote over with and get the amendments through so the UK can find a better solution. Surely she can't push her luck again without a vote of no confidence. Problem is she'd probably scrape a pass on that as well. She's dead, history, along with her stupid agreement. It's time for someone with a bit of leadership to take over and solve this mess.
    She must survive any confidence vote, not that one could happen so soon after another; if she lost and had to resign the Tories would need another leader, and never mind the rhetoric and jockeying nobody wants to buy into the she broke it now you fix it scenario.

    Best of the worst is she limps through to April, then gets brutalised outside No 10 as a warning to her successors.

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    ^ vote of no-confidence by the opposition not a leadership contest...

    A second postponement of the Meaningful vote might persuade a few Tories to join Labour in such a vote. Corbyn won't risk it until he's secured the vote beforehand, that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ vote of no-confidence by the opposition not a leadership contest...

    A second postponement of the Meaningful vote might persuade a few Tories to join Labour in such a vote. Corbyn won't risk it until he's secured the vote beforehand, that's for sure.
    Couldn't work, Labour is itself suffocating from a lack of confidence under Corbyn, he could never secure a successful motion, any any attempt would backfire by uniting the Tories and the DUP. Only Corbyn relishes the thought of Corbyn in DS.

    Genetic stumbling block for lefties, if I could call him that without the idiot barging in, is their consistent failure to acknowledge that their formula may need tweaking, and if they can't see it it follows they don't need to change anything...the wall's right there and all we need is a bit more steam...

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