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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    If we crash out with no deal then there is a good chance that the EU will have no trust in us- if we can't negotiate a exit strategy without threatening people then a good trade deal seems unlikely.
    The only threatening I see going on is the Eurotrash bleating because they want to bleed the UK dry to prop up their pathetic euro before we abandon their shit gravy train.

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    No deal is no big issue, lots of countries around the world trade with the EU on WTO rules, we will just be joining them. Which other countries outside of the EU are expected to pay billions to trade with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    The immigration argument isn't false at all you are just using it solely from a jobs perspective while totally ignoring the pressures on housing, schools, the NHS and local services. Because so many people came over a relatively short period of time the infrastructure wasn't in place to cope and still isn't for the extra 3 million people. This is government's fault both Labour and Tory but mainly Labour as they opened the floodgates without thinking through the consequences and people had enough of not being listened to and voted accordingly in the referendum.
    I think what I find quite depressing about you Brexit morons is your intellectual impoverishment and profound ignorance. A fucking hottentot would give a better argument.

    There are over 48,000 population centres in the UK ranging from cities to hamlets. Your figure of 3 millions equates to an average increase in population of each by around 63.

    Yep, a fucking tidal wave of humanity swamping the pikey Brits.

    Har, har.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    I think what I find quite depressing about you Brexit morons is your intellectual impoverishment and profound ignorance. A fucking hottentot would give a better argument.

    There are over 48,000 population centres in the UK ranging from cities to hamlets. Your figure of 3 millions equates to an average increase in population of each by around 63.

    Yep, a fucking tidal wave of humanity swamping the pikey Brits.

    Har, har.
    You fucking ignorant pleb, do you really think immigrants migrate to deserted villages and hamlets? Or maybe they just go to the towns and cities where the jobs are but not the infrastructure to support such a large number. But I guess the housing crisis, NHS crisis, pressure on schools and local services is all a myth.

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    Ja, mein herr, ven 4% of der population is put in der ovens, alles vill be vell, ja?

    Yep, all them EU children made a huge fucking difference, you little nazi prick. 8 million schoolchildren in 25,000 schools in the UK and to think in one year a whole 25,000 children came. Hold the fucking phone, willya.

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    Again you dozy prick immigration isn't spread out evenly across the whole UK, surely this obvious point didn't pass you by? But then again being a simple plastic paddy it probably did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The only threatening I see going on is the Eurotrash bleating because they want to bleed the UK dry to prop up their pathetic euro before we abandon their shit gravy train.
    You blue collar manual workers sure are impervious to reason. I wonder why it is? I should imagine it resolves in people of lower intellect to some synaptic foible whereby the brain's systems become focused on eye to hand coordination to the exclusion of all else.

    The sums involved in meeting Britain's commitments arising out of its cancelled membership are speculated to be in the order of around 60 billion euros. This represents little more than 30% of one year's combined EU budget that usually comes in at 160 billions. That annual budget represents 1% of the EU's combined wealth. In terms of events influencing currency fluctuations the delinquency of the UK in meeting its financial obligations is equivalent to a fart in the hurricane.

    Putting it all into a perspective your enfeebled mind might be capable of comprehending, the Bank of England expended a total of £400 billions in QE to ensure the cost of borrowing was kept low. This had an effect in depressing £ but markets generally traded at a level of $1.50US regardless. However, the mere act of Brexit has reduced value by 20% such is its profound stupidity.

    £60 billion affecting the euro??? You silly wanker, the ECB pumped in 1 trillion Euros into their economy and the Euro is still stronger than the £.

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    Quite simply Bumbumboy, you are too stupid to argue with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Quite simply Bumbumboy, you are too stupid to argue with.
    Coming from the bloke who tried to portray as many immigrants going to London as to some hamlet in the arse end of nowhere I'll take that as a compliment.

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    Yep, those pesky EU immigrants swamping the metropolis and burdening the state as 50,000 of them took up their employment in the banking sector forcing the scummy Brits out of their slums into the street.

    You dozy pillock.

    Har, har.

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    Farage, on what turned him against the EU.

    "In 2005, the European Union had produced its own constitution. The first proper blueprint. The first genuine admission that what they were building wasn't a free trade zone, it was a state. And they put it to referendums.

    "The French rejected it, the Dutch rejected it and many other people had they had the chance would have rejected it.

    "And what did the EU do? Did they learn the lesson? Did they say "Oh well obviously people don't want a state with a flag, an anthem and an army." Did they row back? No, they rebranded it as the Lisbon Treaty. They forced it through without giving the French and Dutch another option. The Irish voted against it, but were forced to vote again.

    "And from that moment, I have been an enemy of the entire project.

    "I think it is not only undemocratic, I think actually it is dangerous. I think if you suppress people's ability through the ballot box to make their own decisions, to be in charge of their futures, you will lead directly to political extremism and violence."


    Must be a right wing extremist, to turn on the glorious EU...cattle: fire away!

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    Donald Tusk: EU must stay united or face Brexit 'defeat' - BBC News

    Tusk has stopped pretending and now refers to the need for 'victory' over Brexit.

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    I doubt many of the current EU citz will have much to fear. The up side of EU citizens are that in many cases their "expertise" are of a similar quality to their adopted country and require little retraining if any. May is not going to kick them out now or ever as many have become valuable citizens. Many make a useful contribution especially in the health sector for example. Migrants have been used in most countries for years to plug gaps in areas with insufficient local expertise and this will continue. Some of this is caused by lack of training of locals by both the government and business. After all it is much cheaper to import a worker with skills already established than to train a local to the same level of competency. Maybe a mandate for business to train a minimum number of locals for their workforce is part of the answer. EU migrants tend to have similar cultural values and therefore are much more capable of integration within the local population, so It is not neccessary or desirable to stop this EU migration but to control and better target areas of need. This I think will be the only tweeks made and needed for euro migration.
    If the concern is recently settled refugees in Europe, the answer is to only allow Europeans that have been eligible for an EU passport for a fixed number of years.
    I believe the Australian government has a similar thing in regard to New Zealand passport holders to prevent migrants to New Zealand coming in through the "back door" to Australia via a New Zealand passport.
    Any migration problems in Britain comes from successive Governments failing to stem the flow of migrants from third world countries that have settled and formed their own cultural and religious ghettos around the country.
    Coming from Melbourne with a high ethnic European migrant population to north of Brisbane where the numbers are much lower, I'd kill for a good delicatessen and a decent baguette.
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    but why would a EU citizen with skills would remain on a sinking ship ? he won't stay after Brexit simply because there will be no bright future for the UK, and that will solve the immigration problem at the same time

    the UK will go the way of decaying African nations; you simply do not want to work there if you have skills

    only the desperate unskilled will remain in the UK, and along with the lazy and arrogant locals, it will sink the place down in no time

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    They will remain because unlike Paris people actually like living in London and want to be part of it. London will still be a major financial centre after Brexit despite Paris and Frankfurt silly dreams of replacing London.

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    ^Christ, you're such a pleb!

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    unlike Paris people actually like living in London and want to be part of it.


    That really does rank among your most idiotic comments so far.

    Bravo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post


    That really does rank among your most idiotic comments so far.

    Bravo!
    I keep forgetting I'm dealing with lower end TEFLers on this site, having lived and worked in London numerous times during my life including 6 months last year I'm fully aware of peoples views of London and Paris. People don't want to relocate to Paris for numerous reasons tax being a good starring point. But of course you being a clueless potless career TEFLer who has hidden away in a classroom all your life as couldn't hack it outside a classroom will always remain clueless.

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    ^ what absolute tosh. You are digging yourself so deep you'll be in fooking Auckland by the end of the page...

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    having lived and worked in London numerous times during my life including 6 months last year


    Most parochial post ever!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ what absolute tosh. You are digging yourself so deep you'll be in fooking Auckland by the end of the page...
    What's tosh, are you claiming taxes aren't higher in France than the UK and by quite some considerable margin to? Or are you claiming I wasn't working in London for best part of 6 months last year if so just ask one of my real life stalkers on this forum and I'm sure they will be able to confirm for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post


    Most parochial post ever!!!
    You're slowly becoming as boring and tedious as simple Sybil, guess it must be contagious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    The way these remoaners prattle on you'd think 50%+ of the UK GDP was comprised of exports to the EU when the actual figure is 10%.
    Err, the amount of trade with the EU is actually 14% of GDP. Our manufacturing portion of the cake equates to 8-9% of GDP of which nigh on 50% is with the EU. Factor in the loss of financial passporting then potential overall losses could amount annually to around £60-100 billions as a consequence of WTO replacing existing protocols. The further likely £ depreciation will exacerbate inflationary pressures leading to a contraction in the economy, lower tax receipts, less consumer demand, more job losses, lower wage settlements and reduced foreign inward investment. Stagflation is the new boom, the sort of boom that's heard when 15 million folk go bust.

    The forthcoming catastrophe is quite exciting, actually, and I'm looking forward to the destruction of this Tory government which is now assured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    but why would a EU citizen with skills would remain on a sinking ship ? he won't stay after Brexit simply because there will be no bright future for the UK, and that will solve the immigration problem at the same time

    the UK will go the way of decaying African nations; you simply do not want to work there if you have skills

    only the desperate unskilled will remain in the UK, and along with the lazy and arrogant locals, it will sink the place down in no time

    Unemployment rates in nearly all EU countries are much higher than in Britain, Including France, Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Greece, Portuga, Ireland, Austria, Belgium, Poland etc etc. That is why many are in the U.K.
    One doesn't normally abandon a ship, even if it is sinking, for a ship that is already slipping beneath the waves.
    Post Brexit, however, when the E.U. enters this new golden era of plenty with instant full employment and instant worker utopia without the lowly Brits weighing them down like an oversized, rusted out anchor, they may well desert the good ship Britania as it slowly slips beneath the waves of futility and disillusionment, drifting onto the rocks of dispair, now devoid of all guidance from this all knowing workers Paradise and social Utopia known as the E.U..

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    Michael Bloomberg: Brexit is stupidest thing any country has done besides Trump

    Michael Bloomberg, the billionaire media mogul and former mayor of New York, has said Brexit is the “single stupidest thing any country has ever done” apart from the election of Donald Trump as US president.

    Bloomberg argued that “it is really hard to understand why a country that was doing so well wanted to ruin it” with the Brexit vote, in a series of outspoken remarks made at a technology conference in Boston a fortnight ago.

    At that event, Bloomberg, 75, also warned that some workers at the financial media company that bears his name were asking to leave the UK and US because they think the two countries no longer like immigrants and are no longer welcoming.

    The CEO was in London on Tuesday to open a new European headquarters for Bloomberg in the City, covering 1.3 hectares (3.2 acres). But his earlier remarks, unearthed the same day, suggested he had regrets about making the investment decision because of the Brexit vote.

    “We are opening a brand new European headquarters in London – two big, expensive buildings. Would I have done it if I knew they were going to drop out? I’ve had some thoughts that maybe I wouldn’t have, but we are there, we are going to be very happy.

    “My former wife was a Brit, my daughters have British passports, so we love England – it’s the father of our country, I suppose. But what they are doing is not good and there is no easy way to get out of it because if they don’t pay a penalty, everyone else would drop out. So they can’t get as good of a deal as they had before.”

    He added: “I did say that I thought it was the single stupidest thing any country has ever done but then we Trumped it.”

    Bloomberg employs 4,000 staff in the UK and 20,000 worldwide, and the New York-based firm has long made the country its headquarters in Europe. But he said some staff were becoming unhappy about London as a key location.

    “One of the things that is hurting us both in the United States and in the UK is that we have employees, not a lot but some, who are starting to say: ‘I don’t want to work here – can we transfer to some place else? This country doesn’t like immigrants,’” Bloomberg said.

    “All this talk in Washington – words have consequences. Whether we change the immigration laws or not, there is general feeling around the world that America is no longer an open, welcoming place and a lot of people don’t want to go there, and the same thing is happening in the UK because of Brexit.”

    Bloomberg first made the comments about Brexit at the little-reported HUBweek conference in Boston less than two weeks ago – and then repeated his quip about Brexit and Trump at an event in France on Monday.

    “It is really hard to understand why a country that was doing so well wanted to ruin it,” Bloomberg said of Brexit. “It was not a smart thing to do and getting out of it is going to be very difficult and is going to be very painful. It will hurt industries. People are already taking space in other cities over there [Europe], us included.”

    On his visit to London, Bloomberg was more circumspect. Giving a speech next to Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London, Bloomberg insisted his company was “strongly committed to London”.

    He added: “Whatever London and the UK’s relationship to the EU proves to be, London’s language, timezone, talent, infrastructure and culture all position it to grow as a global capital for years to come. We are very optimistic about London’s future and we are really excited to be a part of it.”

    Bloomberg is worth an estimated $47.5bn (£36.2bn) according to Forbes and was given an honorary knighthood in 2015. He was a Republican mayor of New York between 2002 and 2013 before he reassumed his position as chief executive of Bloomberg.

    Bloomberg considering standing as a third-party candidate in the 2016 US presidential election but eventually ruled it out, saying that if he stood it could diminish the Democratic vote and lead to the election of Trump. “That is not a risk I can take in good conscience,” Bloomberg said in March 2016 when he confirmed his decision not to stand.

    His criticism of Brexit included hitting out at the leave campaign and its claims that Britain had problems with immigration and too much EU regulation. Bloomberg described comments from Boris Johnson that the EU rules meant there had to be at least four bananas in a bunch as “fictitious” and said on immigration that Britain “didn’t take anyone from northern Africa or the Middle East”.

    He added: “They didn’t have an immigration problem and they didn’t need control of their borders. They have the English Channel – that gave them control of their borders.”

    Bloomberg said London was the centre of Europe but warned that was “not going to be as true any more” due to Brexit.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-besides-trump

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