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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    Negotiating with the EU is like debating with Mr Earl. There is a brick wall with dark conspiracies beyond it. Thou shall not pass.
    Its so pointless, no wonder Davis and co seem so half hearted about it.
    Err, if you took but a moment to read the various "briefing papers" put out by the Brexshit Tory caucus, you will see what the problem is; no one fucking knows what it is these wankers actually want or how they propose to achieve it.

    Not, the Irish, not the nationalist N.Irish, not Barnier and his team, not the British public, not the foreign investors, not the international trading partners, not the banks, not the markets and certainly not Parliament. In fact, I think it fair to say that not even a significant proportion of the Tory party are aware.

    Woolly-headed, vacuous rhetoric spouted in semi-truculent soundbites in lieu of workable proposals to be managed within an established legal and executive framework simply doesn't cut it.

    A case in point: From the Irish PM, just how do the British intend to operate a territorial boundary between the EU and N. Ireland reconciling totally divergent migration and economic policies?

    Answer from the British wankers - we will implement imaginative and technologically based solutions. Indeed, but what are they? Err, we haven't got any further in our policy focus group on that yet, but it will be technological and, er, imaginative.

    Understand now?

    The Maybot team is a shambles, Davis is a geriatric alcoholic, Johnson is simply a fat, lazy tosser who wants to have power but is too fucking idle to actually work at it, and Fox is quite simply a rather weird idiot who seems to be labouring under the rather bizarre notion that what all these foreign Johnnies he meets in his junkets are telling him is the truth.

    In dealing with the British it is like trying to negotiate with an adolescent child who simply doesn't know what it wants but keeps getting angry and rather tearful when suggestions are put to it.

    Pitiful, absolutely pitiful and I suspect the international markets, traders and extra - EU countries are quite appalled at just how incompetent and disorganised the British actually are.

    May is fucking off and is therefore demonstrating to the world that she has no power. The team's captain is staying in the changing rooms just when the rest of them are shambling off to take the field and they haven't a fucking clue as to what position they are meant to be playing or what the tactics are.

    Johnson hates Davis and no one likes Fox and the rest of them around that cabinet are frightened to speak except Hammond who is so isolated he has to eat his sandwiches alone

    There is no coherent British government and the only actual strategy so far demonstrated is to pick on EU citizens lawfully in the UK and terrorise them because that is what the Maybot has been doing to foreigners for six years and they might as well carry on with it.

    Are you Brexshitters terminally stupid or will you eventually wake up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    The Maybot team is a shambles, Davis is a geriatric alcoholic, Johnson is simply a fat, lazy tosser who wants to have power but is too fucking idle to actually work at it, and Fox is quite simply a rather weird idiot who seems to be labouring under the rather bizarre notion that what all these foreign Johnnies he meets in his junkets are telling him is the truth.
    what a sadly true description of that British government,

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    Once the UK completely tumble and realize what they did, May will do a runner (as the Brits always do when caught in their shame) and the rest of the world will laugh

    oh the look on the face of the average Brexit supporter will be beyond priceless

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    May has already disclosed she is fucking off in 2019 and will not be around to answer for her crimes, and will disappear on some fucking walking expedition that hopefully ends in her early demise.

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    oh god, and the writing is already on the wall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    Woolly-headed, vacuous rhetoric spouted in semi-truculent soundbites in lieu of workable proposals to be managed within an established legal and executive framework simply doesn't cut it
    Apart from describing your own contributions so perfectly, it explains why I said, 'Davis and co appear so half hearted about it' you thick mongrel.

    Your insipid and deleterious participation in this thread is a continual surprise. Neither you or butters has a dog in this fight and you will have absolutely zero impact on the outcome, or the opinions of others, on an anonymous Thai forum that will fall into disuse just like you.

    And you have the nerve to call me dumb. FFS
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    they are only half hearted because nobody is buying their BS, and being exposed as the silly frauds that they are

    nothing to do with EU being stubborn, but again who is speaking again, Chass the old clueless Brit

    Chass, are you related to May by any chance ?

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    Of course it's the EU being stubborn as you want yet more money from us and because we won't agree to your silly extortion attempts you don't want to discuss anything else. As I said I really hope we just walk away and when you want access to our markets on favourable terms we will listen to your proposals. It's going to be fun watching French garlic farmers go out of business.
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    As I said, the Brit attitude is rather laid back, indicating a charade, waiting for EU tantrums to give UK the excuse to walk away and get on with running their own country, free of interference from the quarrelsome children over the water.
    Leave them with nothing. Best way really.

    This is a supposition gent. Given your fondness for them, I'm sure you won't mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    Of course it's the EU being stubborn as you want yet more money from us
    it's your legal financial obligation FFS,

    in that case, give us back the subsidies you kept receiving during the negotiation. Can't have it both ways, can we ?

    DeGaulles has finally been proven right, you are all a bunch of frauds

    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    we won't agree to your silly extortion attempts you don't want to discuss anything else
    it's called paying your dues, and why should we let that go and give you a favorable agreement in return when you don't even play by the rules ? are you guys completely delusional ?

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    What dues? We are leaving, anything we signed up to was based on us being a member of the EU, we are leaving so owe you nothing. Who pays to leave a club and continues to pay when your membership expires? The EU beginning to sound a bit desperate realising they are going to be even more strapped for cash.

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    I believe that the UK has already said that it will meet any of it's commitments for the budget period 2014-20. Accordingly, those funds which the UK would receive for the same period should be made also. I also believe pension rights for EU personnel is another issue. Surely, the UK taking responsibility for these rights for those UK citizens affected meets rational thinking.

    So what else is there to make payment for? The EU needs to break down exactly what it wants and why, and be prepared to substantiate their reasoning. It's not up to the UK to put offers on the table.

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    The EU are being petty and stupid over the N Ireland border also, they don't want to discuss trade or customs arrangements till the border issue has been sorted but you can't sort out any border arrangement until you know what customs deal you will have. You just can't reason or discuss things rationally with these EU buffoons, sooner we're out the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly
    are you guys completely delusional ?
    This? From a man who believes 9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by the US government and that the two planes that flew into the Twin Towers were actually created by cunning CGI.

    Yes sure DF. What medication are you on by the way?

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    Pag,budgets are planned on a quinquennial basis and incorporate proposed expenditures which are agreed on the basis of membership consent. These represent longer term projects which are undertaken in good faith and budgeted accordingly. I surmise that the EU expect the slimy, used-car dealing Brexshit English wide boy scum to honour these commitments but the little fuckers want to welsh on them.

    The real problem that is being experienced by the EU is that they have to contend with a British negotiating team which reflects the innate streak of sleazy, seedy, underhandedness that pervades the Brexshit scum they represent.

    No honour, no principles, no sang-froid, no charm, just a bunch of rotund beery old blimpish farts grunting away in meaningless jingoistic inanity.

    One has a lot of sympathy for Barnier and his team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    The EU are being petty and stupid over the N Ireland border also, they don't want to discuss trade or customs arrangements till the border issue has been sorted but you can't sort out any border arrangement until you know what customs deal you will have. You just can't reason or discuss things rationally with these EU buffoons, sooner we're out the better.
    I refer you to my earlier post on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    The EU are being petty and stupid over the N Ireland border also, they don't want to discuss trade or customs arrangements till the border issue has been sorted but you can't sort out any border arrangement until you know what customs deal you will have. You just can't reason or discuss things rationally with these EU buffoons, sooner we're out the better.
    I refer you to my earlier post on the subject.
    I did waste a bit of my time reading it but it was just your usual gibberish devoid of any logic or rational reasoning. Please explain how you can sort out the border arrangement when you don't know what sort of customs arrangement you are going to have?

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    Don't ask me, you gormless twat, go ask the Brexshit wankers who still can't give a fucking answer. The Irish keep asking, what are going to be your tariffs, your third party trading agreements, your legal frameworks and the Court of resolution etc, etc , etc to the fucking power of 300.

    It's the fucking English that are ripping it all up - all the Irish are asking for are the details on the replacement systems and how they are to be implemented. The fucking English can't answer because they don't know and what's fucking worse is that they cannot agree among themselves what it is they want.

    The Maybot has now decided to simply restate their general position and to await ideas from the EU.

    She is fucking useless, everyone knows it and the entire British team knows that they are going to be humiliated because they are manifestly clueless, rudderless and incompetent. After 40 odd years of fucking moaning and now they have their chance but they don't know what they want or how to get it.

    It's fucking pitiful.

    " We just want to be left alone and do our own thing"

    It ain't fucking possible when you roll up at the fucking French Douane with 100,000 tractors and trailers and say, " bonjour, mush we just thought we'd deliver what we got on spec, like....what you mean, you want a manifest clearance declaration, confirmation of end user, and evidence that duties and VAT have been paid if they are to be delivered within the 27 countries listed?"

    You folk are like fucking children you are so fucking simplistic.

    And that is going to be the process at the border between NI and the Republic except on the British side the fucking customs checkpoint is going to get blown up every month and the Cozzie officer, a bullet up his arse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    Please explain how you can sort out the border arrangement when you don't know what sort of customs arrangement you are going to have?
    You can't and that's exactly the point he's making!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Don't ask me, you gormless twat, go ask the Brexshit wankers who still can't give a fucking answer. The Irish keep asking, what are going to be your tariffs, your third party trading agreements, your legal frameworks and the Court of resolution etc, etc , etc to the fucking power of 300.

    It's the fucking English that are ripping it all up - all the Irish are asking for are the details on the replacement systems and how they are to be implemented. The fucking English can't answer because they don't know and what's fucking worse is that they cannot agree among themselves what it is they want.

    The Maybot has now decided to simply restate their general position and to await ideas from the EU.

    She is fucking useless, everyone knows it and the entire British team knows that they are going to be humiliated because they are manifestly clueless, rudderless and incompetent. After 40 odd years of fucking moaning and now they have their chance but they don't know what they want or how to get it.

    It's fucking pitiful.

    " We just want to be left alone and do our own thing"

    It ain't fucking possible when you roll up at the fucking French Douane with 100,000 tractors and trailers and say, " bonjour, mush we just thought we'd deliver what we got on spec, like....what you mean, you want a manifest clearance declaration, confirmation of end user, and evidence that duties and VAT have been paid if they are to be delivered within the 27 countries listed?"

    You folk are like fucking children you are so fucking simplistic.

    And that is going to be the process at the border between NI and the Republic except on the British side the fucking customs checkpoint is going to get blown up every month and the Cozzie officer, a bullet up his arse.
    I think what you're trying to say amongst the gibberish is that you agree that the EU position is totally childish and stupid in trying to get agreement on the border while refusing to discuss trade and customs agreements, for the simple reason you can't have a border agreement when you don't know what the customs arrangement is going to be. You must have been fun to deal with in your role as head of car parks and cemeteries for whatever public service backwater you worked for with your total lack of logic and reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    EU position is totally childish and stupid in trying to get agreement on the border while refusing to discuss trade and customs agreements, for the simple reason you can't have a border agreement when you don't know what the customs arrangement is going to be
    It's very simple. Britain has been asked several times how they are going to deal with the EU land border in Ireland. They have not provided a workable answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    Please explain how you can sort out the border arrangement when you don't know what sort of customs arrangement you are going to have?
    You can't and that's exactly the point he's making!
    He not making any point, he's just spouting his usual gibberish. So then if you're agreed that you can't sort out the border until you've sorted out the customs arrangements then why are the idiotic EU refusing to discuss trade and customs arrangements until the border is sorted? Is it sinking in yet, as I know the actual reality of the situation is a bit hard to grasp for remoaners.

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    .......which is why normal people would agree to maintain membership of the EU until such times as they do have a plan, and when they are ready they can quit membership accordingly, you mofo. There was no need to send the Article 50 letter in that silly, Tory gung-ho, Farage wet dream frenzy of English fascist jingoism..

    Honestly, the Brexshitters have all the cognitive ability of a fucking Bonobo ape,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    EU position is totally childish and stupid in trying to get agreement on the border while refusing to discuss trade and customs agreements, for the simple reason you can't have a border agreement when you don't know what the customs arrangement is going to be
    It's very simple. Britain has been asked several times how they are going to deal with the EU land border. They have not provided a workable answer.
    You are a native English speaker are you not? The EU is refusing to discuss customs arrangements until the border arrangement is sorted. But as the UK has rightly pointed out to the simple EU negotiaters you can't sort out the border until you sort out the customs arrangements that they are refusing to discuss. I'm really not sure what it is about this that you are struggling to understand. Pretty simple stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    Please explain how you can sort out the border arrangement when you don't know what sort of customs arrangement you are going to have?
    You can't and that's exactly the point he's making!
    He not making any point, he's just spouting his usual gibberish. So then if you're agreed that you can't sort out the border until you've sorted out the customs arrangements then why are the idiotic EU refusing to discuss trade and customs arrangements until the border is sorted? Is it sinking in yet, as I know the actual reality of the situation is a bit hard to grasp for remoaners.
    The EU will not discuss as they are more than happy to sit back and watch Britain deal with the results of its economic suicide bid. Enjoy!
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