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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    The UK Telegraph started a rumor tha Mays plan b might include a second referendum,

    but with no remain option on the ballot.

    if that's what it takes to have everyone on board for a second referendum, then all good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    if that's what it takes to have everyone on board for a second referendum, then all good
    A more detailed explanation for our hard of thinking froglet.

    The only two options on the ballot would be.
    1. May’s current deal

    2. No deal brexit

    This actually means in the case of May’s current deal, remain in the eu., or hard brexi. The second referendum reflecting the 2016 choices of in or out.
    All a bit pointless really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    A more detailed explanation for our hard of thinking froglet.

    The only two options on the ballot would be.
    1. May’s current deal

    2. No deal brexit

    This actually means in the case of May’s current deal, remain in the eu., or hard brexi. The second referendum reflecting the 2016 choices of in or out.
    All a bit pointless really.
    got it the first time pensioner, and if that's what it takes to approve a new referendum, so be it

    it will also put the ball back into the hands of the British people, and they will have to face their responsibility over it

    win-win for everyone, because nobody will want to take responsibility of a no deal cahos when it happens

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    the referendum will have a landslide Yes for Maybot deal,

    all Brexiters fucked in the ass by their own voters,

    game over, well done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    The UK Telegraph started a rumor tha Mays plan b might include a second referendum,

    but with no remain option on the ballot.

    We started with 'the people have spoken and there's no chance of a second referendum', to more and more talk circling Ref2 from the most ardent Brexiteers.

    One problem of many for Ref2 is the wording, and nobody is prepared to commit on that or on the requirements for a 3-way Ref2. 'Experts' have suggested no deal or her deal, which would be May's creme de la creme of fcukups, but no deterrent to a walking dead PM. Perhaps something more final like revoke A50 and remain, or no deal no negotiations, out. End of, and the gods would be over like a shot to renegotiate, because never mind the posturing, the gods do not want to see their container ships stuck in the Channel. And while the scare mongers warn we will run out of medicines and Marmite in 6 months and start eating our children by year end, reality says the pharmas and food merchants are not in business to cut their own throats, so by hook or crook they will make sure we have what we want.

    But any assumptions on Ref2, if not final with no deal or stay, could simply see the EU restart the havoc machine until we vote the right way, and then punish us anyway for scaring the cattle.

    Hard truth, but anything that ends the uncertainty would be a positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    got it the first time pensioner, and if that's what it takes to approve a new referendum, so be it

    it will also put the ball back into the hands of the British people, and they will have to face their responsibility over it

    win-win for everyone, because nobody will want to take responsibility of a no deal cahos when it happens
    ..... and you still don’t get it. Another referendum asking the same question as two years ago is pointless, just like you. lol

    Almost everyone assumes there will be chaos. I maintain that common sense will prevail. Any immediate issues can be dealt with quickly and the rest, negotiated to the benefit and satisfaction of both sides. That’s how shit gets done in the real world once the Gallic posturing stops, all will be done as needed.
    Why folk keep banging on about the Irish border is a real mugs frenzy. The Bits, The Micks and the EU don’t want one, but the unelected wankers on the mainland have made a bid stick out of it to beat the Brits with. Go figure.

    As soon as the UK is out there is no need for Barnier, junkers or anyone else to be involved. UK is out, deal with it.

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    Essentially, the aim is to get some form of democratic validation for a decision to reverse Brexit. This is obviously hampered by the residual dross who for reasons of their own stupidity, insanity, ignorance or perverted ambitions think that it is not a car accident but an opportunity to return the country to the past.
    That is problematic and requires leadership and principled government, neither of which is likely.

    I think the deal on offer will be rejected but an extension of Brexit will be sought allowing time for whomever least incapable to try to't make a substantive decision based on a referendum or a GE. Either way, I don't see the EU altering their position beyond that already set out in the draft deal. I mean, what would be the point? The English and the DUP are so incoherent no matter what might be agreed within negotiations, it is unlikely it will ever meet with a consensus that concedes respect for the Republic of Ireland. The way that cvunt Johnson and the coon Patel talk as if the Irish are still a fucking dominion is just so insulting someone should burn their fucking houses down on grounds of general principle.

    Simply put, a sane sensible Brexit could never have been implemented as heralded by the demented Kipper/Tory cvunts. It's just that the racist, bigoted, deranged and profoundly stupid British lower end have yet to be told the truth and that will never happen.

    Britain is fucked because in terms of the fucking moronic, the British have always had a majority. Christ, even the fucking Bubbles weren't that fucking dumb to leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    ..... and you still don’t get it. Another referendum asking the same question as two years ago is pointless, just like you. lol

    Almost everyone assumes there will be chaos. I maintain that common sense will prevail. Any immediate issues can be dealt with quickly and the rest, negotiated to the benefit and satisfaction of both sides. That’s how shit gets done in the real world once the Gallic posturing stops, all will be done as needed.
    Why folk keep banging on about the Irish border is a real mugs frenzy. The Bits, The Micks and the EU don’t want one, but the unelected wankers on the mainland have made a bid stick out of it to beat the Brits with. Go figure.

    As soon as the UK is out there is no need for Barnier, junkers or anyone else to be involved. UK is out, deal with it.
    SeekingAss is right, you are even more retarded than the average Brexishitter

    you are posturing non-sense and making silly projections based on your febrile deteriorated mind

    jesus christ, wake up from your piss, and start following what's going on in the real world, you isolated pensioner loon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    ..... and you still don’t get it. Another referendum asking the same question as two years ago is pointless, just like you. lol
    you pointless pensioner troll, a lot have changed in 2 years in case you missed it (you probably did) and because tough choices have to be made, the British people deserve to be consulted as they will be the first ones on the front lines to be sacrificed, not the dross you have as politicians

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    They truly are beyond stupidity.
    Still, heaping abuse on their meagre intellect, further impoverished by delusion and profound ignorance, is always fun.

    One must assume they're mostly genetic products of closed communities in which parents were very closely related, they are that retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    you pointless pensioner troll, a lot have changed in 2 years in case you missed it (you probably did) and because tough choices have to be made, the British people deserve to be consulted as they will be the first ones on the front lines to be sacrificed, not the dross you have as politicians
    You are assuming a second referendum would vote in favour of staying in. Very dangerous assumption to make as Cameron and Clinton found out not so long ago.
    With the gent denigrating everyone except his sainted self, you trolling and shit stirring like a baby, it’s left to Troy leading with his own avarice for a tailored decision to suit his personal needs. The whole fucking country is actually up in arms over a lack of leadership.

    Get rid of the foolish personal angle and political posturing and you will begin to understand how, and why everything must be made to work once the chips are down and all the idiots have had their say.

    Its a bit of a long lost art but diplomacy and pragmatism along with a bit of good old fashioned compromise, will win the day. Stop behaving like selfish entitled snowflakes and run away now before you all lose face.

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    Indeed, I agree, one must never assume English voters of the lower end are capable of any intelligence, and are as likely to vote again in a majority to leave such is their bovine-like stupidity.

    The sheer mindless idiocy of the lumpen masses, so ably represented here, is almost palpable as an organic mass spreading its inertia in an all encompassing miasmic cloud extinguishing all common sense within its enveloping embrace.

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    A brutal no deal or stay referendum, structured with a clear and inviolable commitment to obey, would trigger even more complex legal and political confusion, if that were possible; but I reckon the result would be stay.

    Not sure what I want anymore, probably revoke A50, watch the £ bounce a bit and slip quietly into the night away from the Titanic.

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    Perhaps, you might just be on the point of redeeming yourself.

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    ^ ^^ Poor choice of the word "lumpen" especially when one has regards to its Marxist connotations. Is English your first language ?

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    Boorish, stupid, ugly and misshapen seems to summarise the British lower end quite well. But you are Welsh so there is little point in argument. Incidentally, did you sell your house?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    They have already had a referendum. The people voted ... to leave the EU.
    They already had a General Election. The people voted ... for the Tories.

    Does that mean no more general elections and the Tories being in power forever?

    I'm a bit puzzled why Brexiteers are suddenly so scared about "democracy" and the current "will of the people".

    Is it the case you have the result you want, so you don't want any more "democracy" or "will of the people"

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    They already had a General Election. The people voted ... for the Tories.

    Does that mean no more general elections and the Tories being in power forever?

    I'm a bit puzzled why Brexiteers are suddenly so scared about "democracy" and the current "will of the people".

    Is it the case you have the result you want, so you don't want any more "democracy" or "will of the people"
    The referendum did not say "Do you want to pull out of Europe for Four Years", did it?

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    The European Court has ruled that the UK is free to remain in Europe on the same terms as it has currently if it so wishes. This can be a unilateral decision and does not need the agreement of any EU members.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-46481643

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    ^That seems like the best choice imo. England is no longer really a big deal and is tiny compared to the EU Bloc , China and US. Time to swallow some pride and cancel Brexit

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    They already had a General Election. The people voted ... for the Tories.

    Does that mean no more general elections and the Tories being in power forever?

    I'm a bit puzzled why Brexiteers are suddenly so scared about "democracy" and the current "will of the people".

    Is it the case you have the result you want, so you don't want any more "democracy" or "will of the people"
    The referendum did not say "Do you want to pull out of Europe for Four Years", did it?
    Where are you quoting that from? ...it's not it the post you're replying to nor does it qualify as a paraphrase so just the usual strawman bollocks from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    Where are you quoting that from? ...it's not it the post you're replying to nor does it qualify as a paraphrase so just the usual strawman bollocks from you.
    You really are FUBAR aren’t you. lol

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    Has the Maybot just postponed the vote? That's not going to go down too well but hope it's still going ahead this week.

    She's losing control....

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    Looks that way- the pound will take another battering thanks to the thick Little Englanders

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    May is making a statement to Parliament today at 3.30 pm.

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