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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    North Korea says it is considering missile strikes near the US Pacific territory of Guam, just hours after President Donald Trump threatened Pyongyang with "fire and fury".

    The North's official news agency said it was mulling a plan to fire medium-to-long-range rockets around Guam, where US strategic bombers are based.

    The statement marks a sharp rise in rhetoric between the two countries.

    The UN recently approved further economic sanctions against the country.

    President Trump's comments followed a media report that claimed the North had made a nuclear warhead small enough to fit inside its missiles.

    The Washington Post report, which cited US intelligence officials, suggests North Korea is developing nuclear weapons capable of hitting the US at a much faster rate than expected.

    The North's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said its military was "carefully examining the operational plan for making an enveloping fire at the areas around Guam with medium-to-long-range strategic ballistic rocket Hwasong-12".

    It said the plan would be reported to the Supreme Command after "full examination and completion" and put into practice at the order of leader Kim Jong-un, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported.

    The heated rhetoric between the US and North Korea intensified after Pyongyang tested two intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) in July, claiming it now had the ability to hit the US.

    Mr Trump told reporters on Tuesday: "North Korea best not make any more threats to the US. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen."

    Veteran US Senator John McCain was sceptical about Mr Trump's statement.

    "The great leaders that I have seen, they don't threaten unless they are ready to act and I'm not sure that President Trump is ready to act," said Senator McCain.

    North Korea says considering missile strike near Guam - BBC News
    Nice reportage MissKitt and lovely picture of the B1-B on the tarmac from the BBC!



    So gloriously menacing. It looks like Darth Vader should be at the stick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
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    NK would have never made the statement to begin with if that bozo cheeto in chief had kept his big mouth shut. This is why Drumpf is a series threat to everyone on the plant as long as he is in office. The last time an American president made a threat like that was Harry Truman right before he nuked Japan.
    This is the thing, innit. NK is no threat to anyone, but they WILL threaten retaliation, and who can blame them for that?
    Why the sanctions? Why the threats from the orange Mussolini?
    Leave NK alone and they will leave everyone else alone.
    But they're not leaving everyone else alone are they? They've been firing missiles near Korea and Japan.

    As to whether they are a threat or not, if they can fire missiles thousands of kilometers, yes, they are a threat.

    Will sanctions be enough?

    No, because fat arse will make sure he's fed and let his people starve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
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    they can't be trusted not to sell them onto other groups.
    Everyone should have them, or noone.
    MAD.
    Don't be an idiot.

    MAD only works when neither party wants to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    No, because fat arse will make sure he's fed and let his people starve.
    Which bozo are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
    Tired of this childish banter between both.

    Both are losing credibility (although they've never had it).
    It really does seem like attention seeking. When it comes to NK, the SK's laugh at the antics of the NK leader. They tend to ignore it now, as they are so used to it. I lived there when things have been frantic in the media, and the SK's didn't even blink an eye. They oversensationalize it in the media imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnice2me View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
    Tired of this childish banter between both.

    Both are losing credibility (although they've never had it).
    It really does seem like attention seeking. When it comes to NK, the SK's laugh at the antics of the NK leader. They tend to ignore it now, as they are so used to it. I lived there when things have been frantic in the media, and the SK's didn't even blink an eye. They oversensationalize it in the media imo.
    Not a thousand years ago the SK masses were on the streets protesting to off Americans and their bases, because a couple of GIs got drunk and ran down a girl or something.

    Shows how daft people can get when they're in great numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
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    Just a few thoughts that might piss off the warriors:

    I think the NK 'crisis' could be viewed as a dress rehearsal for when Iran announces a verified nuke with delivery system. Then the curtain goes up, EU dives for cover or swoons if still around, and US makes a lot of noise as it grinds into paralysis because by then Saudi will have tooled up from Pakistan, and nobody breathes in case it triggers something.

    NK vs Iran is ideology vs faith, but one will consider its own survival as otherwise it obviously couldn't perpetuate itself, without kowtowing to force, while the other was born into, weaned on and historically used to failure which fuels the desire to fulfil its destiny, and that is to create the conditions that will rouse the Mahdi which is not possible without chaos and regardless of its own survival.

    My guess is the mullahs are watching closely.

    As a side issue, the Islamic State, which is the purest form of Islam the world has seen in a thousand years, has in common with Iran that neither will compromise on its principles even to ensure its own survival.
    Rubbish.
    Dress rehearsal for nuclear war? Ridiculous.
    All these countries gaining nukes are well aware of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) and only want to defend themselves.
    Iran is a threat to nobody (and don't misquote and misconstrue Abijanihad (?), but is threatened by Israel who DO have nukes and DO want to take over lands and resources that are not theirs.
    1) No, not dress rehearsal for nuclear war, dress rehearsal for the threat of nuclear war when the 'weaker' side gains enormous if not superior strength simply by being able to inflict unacceptable losses upon the stronger, the operative word being unacceptable. This is quite different to playing let's wind up fatboy so he can wind us up and I can look presidential.

    2) True, Iran makes a lot of noise without representing an existential threat to anyone, but that's only until they can. Then the Saudi tools up, US and Russia want whatever action's going, and let's face it our current sets of leaders are not best known for their bedside manner. Now your guess is as good as any other on what happens next, but likely the region turns into another demilitarised zone (ie militarised like fok), with huge amounts of oil still pouring out and everyone wants it.

    3) No lover of the Israel, but their designs on Iran seem to be limited to its nuke ambitions which imho they will realise as a matter of time, though till then Israel can squeeze a few extra billions from America.

    4) MAD is only a deterrent to those that know and understand the consequences, and then only if they do mind being turned into glass; imho NK does, Iran (under the mullahs) doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
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    NK would have never made the statement to begin with if that bozo cheeto in chief had kept his big mouth shut. This is why Drumpf is a series threat to everyone on the plant as long as he is in office. The last time an American president made a threat like that was Harry Truman right before he nuked Japan.
    This is the thing, innit. NK is no threat to anyone, but they WILL threaten retaliation, and who can blame them for that?
    Why the sanctions? Why the threats from the orange Mussolini?
    Leave NK alone and they will leave everyone else alone.
    I've changed my view recently.

    I now think KJU should not have ICBMs.

    Oust him.

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    a few things that jumped out from the "fire and fury' statement...

    1. he made it from a golf course.
    2. there aren't military experts by his side...no, trump has his former model/prostitute wife on one side and the health and human services secretary on the other
    3. check out his body language--the crossed arms
    4. why is he talking so loudly?

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    Shame on you calling Melania that, #3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    4) MAD is only a deterrent to those that know and understand the consequences, and then only if they do mind being turned into glass; imho NK does, Iran (under the mullahs) doesn't.
    The mad mullahs don't have a death wish. When do you ever hear of Shi'a suicide bombers?

    Islamic State and the other Sunni extremists however....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    I've changed my view recently.

    I now think KJU should not have ICBMs.

    Oust him.
    shame on you for being a moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bnice2me View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
    Tired of this childish banter between both.

    Both are losing credibility (although they've never had it).
    It really does seem like attention seeking. When it comes to NK, the SK's laugh at the antics of the NK leader. They tend to ignore it now, as they are so used to it. I lived there when things have been frantic in the media, and the SK's didn't even blink an eye. They oversensationalize it in the media imo.
    Not a thousand years ago the SK masses were on the streets protesting to off Americans and their bases, because a couple of GIs got drunk and ran down a girl or something.

    Shows how daft people can get when they're in great numbers.
    They protest every time US servicemen rape and/or murder their people, including that awful incident where they gang raped a 12 year old girl.

    I wouldn't call that daft.

    They really should put the US military on their own island, because they are simply incapable of controlling themselves most of the time. Can't hold their drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    4) MAD is only a deterrent to those that know and understand the consequences, and then only if they do mind being turned into glass; imho NK does, Iran (under the mullahs) doesn't.
    The mad mullahs don't have a death wish. When do you ever hear of Shi'a suicide bombers?

    Islamic State and the other Sunni extremists however....
    Half true. Their death wish is based on the legend of the Mahdi or Twelfth Imam; they would rather not die, but if they need to as part of the chaos required to rouse him then they will with no hesitation, because this leads them to paradise.

    Islamic State and Sunni have no such thing as suicide bombers, or for that matter terrorists; these terms are for westerners that struggle to understand things that don't fit into neat boxes. When a Sunni/Shia/IS fighter goes down, whether by drone, self detonation or by any other fashion, he's a martyr.

    In this context, Shia do have 'suicide bombers' (martyrs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
    Tired of this childish banter between both.

    Both are losing credibility (although they've never had it).
    It really does seem like attention seeking. When it comes to NK, the SK's laugh at the antics of the NK leader. They tend to ignore it now, as they are so used to it. I lived there when things have been frantic in the media, and the SK's didn't even blink an eye. They oversensationalize it in the media imo.
    Not a thousand years ago the SK masses were on the streets protesting to off Americans and their bases, because a couple of GIs got drunk and ran down a girl or something.

    Shows how daft people can get when they're in great numbers.
    They protest every time US servicemen rape and/or murder their people, including that awful incident where they gang raped a 12 year old girl.

    I wouldn't call that daft.

    They really should put the US military on their own island, because they are simply incapable of controlling themselves most of the time. Can't hold their drink.
    Right, a bunch of GIs get drunk and rape a girl, so the people abandon reason and want to rid themselves of the only protection they have against one of the most belligerent regimes on the planet.

    As I said, daft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    They really should put the US military on their own island, because they are simply incapable of controlling themselves most of the time. Can't hold their drink.
    US soldiers have a strict curfew in South Korea. They have to be back to the barracks by 1am, and you'll be damned sure there are authorities at every bar nearby making sure they are!

    The reason I know is I've frequented the foreigner district where many of them hang out at the bars/restaurants.

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    NK finding out that it's standard play book to shake down some aid money isn't going to work this time. Glad trump is on hand to deal with this mess created by the previous incumbents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bobo746 View Post
    Two Egomanics with their fingers on the button,what could possibily go wrong.
    And who supplied NK with the knowhow!
    eBay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf. Drumpf.
    This is the thing, innit. NK is no threat to anyone,
    Are you that naive?

    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    I've changed my view recently.

    I now think KJU should not have ICBMs.

    Oust him.
    shame on you for being a moron.
    ...another Maduro fan, too, eh?

    Failure to take out the DPRK over the last 30 years has created a modern-day Tortuga for every vile evil darkweb crime against humanity, it's not a romantic status quo that any sane reasonable person should brush off, any more than we should have chickened out of standing up to previous horrific regimes in history. It's not about banal willy-waving, it's very practical - the DPRK is not simply a block to regionel economic development and democratisation; not just a waking-nightmare totalitarian regime like out of a horror movie; it is an active facilitator of some of the sickest crimes and enraging injustices you can imagine, and many you can't, all in the name of scraping together as much cash as it can to prop up it's soul-devouring machine. If you don't zap it now, hard and fast, you may never be able to, and you may be condemning millions, generations to the most appalling human misery. To call anyone suggesting standing up to this kind of terror and bullying these sort of specious throwaway names like "moron" (as you're a focking towering intellect), is to miss the point entirely. Freedom isn't just a think you got, that no-one else gets to fight and die for - everyone deserves it. It really isn't a pragmatic realpolitik argument to say keep things as they are, because nothing is static, and there are bad things happening and worse things that can happen that need to be stopped. The region can't live in perpetual fear and pregnant instability.

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    So gloriously menacing. It looks like Darth Vader should be at the stick!
    Nah - this is menacing ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayZee View Post
    So gloriously menacing. It looks like Darth Vader should be at the stick!
    Nah - this is menacing ....
    That's not menacing. That's obsolete. What are you, 200 years old?

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    I fear these two baboons will keep slinging shit at each other until war breaks out.


    Latest: NKorea calls Trump’s threat a ‘load of nonsense’

    North Korea’s military says President Donald Trump’s warning of “fire and fury” if it threatens the U.S. is a “load of nonsense.”

    The North is responding to Trump’s threat in a statement from its military carried by state-run news agency KCNA. The statement says that “only absolute force” can work on someone as “bereft of reason” as Trump.

    The North Korean statement also says the military action its army “is about to take” will be effective for restraining America’s “frantic moves” in and near the southern part of the Korean Peninsula.

    It says North Korea will complete a plan by mid-August for the “historic enveloping fire at Guam,” convey it to the commander in chief of its nuclear force and then “wait for his order.” North Korea says it will “keep closely watching the speech and behavior of the U.S.”

    more https://apnews.com/3f911ed5d0614f4fa9a8c6e0c3a4d293

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    North Korea will complete a plan by mid-August. It's pretty simple isn't it?
    1) Put nuke on missile
    2) Aim it at Guam
    3) Launch missile
    4) Kiss arse goodbye as U.S nukes rain down on North Korea
    5) South Korea attacked
    6) Milliions dead
    7) China and Russia launch attack on US
    8) Everyone kisses their arse goodbye
    9) The cockroach inherits the Earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longway View Post
    NK finding out that it's standard play book to shake down some aid money isn't going to work this time. Glad trump is on hand to deal with this mess created by the previous incumbents.
    Just watched an 18-yr-old interview with Trump (I think Bloomberg or BBC??), where he railed against NK and predicted just such a scenario which he put down to also predicted serial mismanagement by future Presidents. At that time he had no reason to believe it would land on his desk.

    For example:
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    Who supplied NK with plutonium in the first place? Yeah that's right, the left and every other country they now seem to have soom beef with!

    When you plant a fookin tomatoe seed, what do you expect? Roses!

    Trump is indeed a twat, but those before him LEFT the shit to fester.

    But I understand, the lynch mod needs a target!
    You bullied, you laughed, you lied, you lost!

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