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Old 19-06-2017, 05:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Most Expensive Congressional Race Ever

The most expensive Congressional race in history with both candidates spending about $50 million dollars.

Where did that money come from for both? I'll assume special interest lobbyists and PACs.

But mistakenly again - the article claims many see this as a referendum on Trump's Presidency, like the Montana Special election.

It is not.

Nevertheless, it will prove interest - in a bad way - that $50 million has been spent by both.

Ridiculous.


Poll: Ossoff, Handel nearly deadlocked in Georgia race
BY JULIA MANCHESTER - 06/18/17


Poll: Ossoff, Handel nearly deadlocked in Georgia race



The race for Georgia’s sixth congressional district has the Republican and Democratic candidates less than 2 points apart ahead of Tuesday's contest, according to a WSB-Landmark Communications poll.



The poll shows Democrat Jon Ossoff with 49.7 percent among likely voters in the historically Republican district, while his opponent Karen Handel is right at his heels with 48 percent.

The poll comes just days before the special election to fill Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price, which is seen largely seen as a referendum on President Trump’s presidency.

More than 140,000 ballots had been cast when early voting in the district closed Friday, showing widespread interest in the race.

The race is the most expensive House race in history, with both candidates spending around $50 million.

Poll: Ossoff, Handel nearly deadlocked in Georgia race | TheHill
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Old 20-06-2017, 09:55 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Alright....I was right about the Montana election. whay say you here?

The factors that could determine Georgia’s special election
GEORGIA-POLITICS By Greg Bluestein - The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Turnout, Trump among factors in Georgia special election
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Boy this thread is.....sooooo....quiet. shh.

Demo Ossoff, may lose. He's down by 3 points but it's too early to call

It's not about Trump, it's about the Dems abandoning their base.


Anybody have a clue what I'm talking about?


If we had to guess, we’d give the advantage to Karen Handel, but the race is close.

Good interactive map and stats: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/re...-ossoff-handel


Live Election Results and Estimates: Georgia’s Sixth Congressional District
Karen Handel leads by 3 percentage points over Jon Ossoff with 39 percent of precincts fully reporting. Jump to estimate of final result ↓
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Extra! Extra! Read all about it!

Handel wins!

It's mighty quiet!



Karen Handel wins; latest Georgia 6th District runoff results

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10:14 p.m Tuesday, June 20, 2017 Georgia Politics and Government

AJC Election Results: Handel defeats Ossoff - Latest counts
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It's not about Trump, it's about the Dems abandoning their base.
In 2016 the Republicans won this seat with nearly 62% of the vote. This time it was really close. How does that equate to the Dems abandoning their base?
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It's not about Trump, it's about the Dems abandoning their base.
In 2016 the Republicans won this seat with nearly 62% of the vote. This time it was really close. How does that equate to the Dems abandoning their base?
Fair point about this district but it shows that the Dems are not "bouncing back" from T.

IMO,

This seat, Congress, the Senate, and critically the state legislatures show the weakness of the Dems getting the base out.
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No it doesn't, it was a republican stronghold you dimwit.

All it shows is that it was a pointless waste of $50 million.
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All it shows is that it was a pointless waste of $50 million.
Yep. Another example of misguided DNC figuring they could run any old candidate because of Trump's poor approval ratings. Not going to work and won't work anywhere. The DNC is in disarray. They have no platform which appeal to a broader electorate and they insist on running candidates who frankly are not qualified and/or are unable to inspire folks to vote for them.

DNC is stuck in a rut and no way will they do what is needed to gain back a majority come the 2018 elections.

If after throwing all this money at a loser doesn't have Demcrates demanding a purge at the top of the party things will only get worse in future.
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All it shows is that it was a pointless waste of $50 million.
Yep. Another example of misguided DNC figuring they could run any old candidate because of Trump's poor approval ratings. Not going to work and won't work anywhere. The DNC is in disarray. They have no platform which appeal to a broader electorate and they insist on running candidates who frankly are not qualified and/or are unable to inspire folks to vote for them.

DNC is stuck in a rut and no way will they do what is needed to gain back a majority come the 2018 elections.

If after throwing all this money at a loser doesn't have Demcrates demanding a purge at the top of the party things will only get worse in future.
I thought he was a good candidate, but the RNC threw $50 million at it as well.

I suspect that if they'd both spent $1 million the result would have been the same: a reasonable trend in the Democrats direction but they still have a lot of work to do.
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I thought he was a good candidate, but the RNC threw $50 million at it as well.

I suspect that if they'd both spent $1 million the result would have been the same: a reasonable trend in the Democrats direction but they still have a lot of work to do.
You completely disregard voters and the power they hold, Harry. At some point people are going to have to actually promote some shit that can grasp the electorate's majority.

Money thrown at an election isn't the end-all-be-all. That was proven hardcore by Trumps win in the first place.
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I thought he was a good candidate, but the RNC threw $50 million at it as well.

I suspect that if they'd both spent $1 million the result would have been the same: a reasonable trend in the Democrats direction but they still have a lot of work to do.
You completely disregard voters and the power they hold, Harry. At some point people are going to have to actually promote some shit that can grasp the electorate's majority.

Money thrown at an election isn't the end-all-be-all. That was proven hardcore by Trumps win in the first place.
Er.... isn't that essentially what I just said?

I.e. the Democrats have a lot of work to do convincing voters that they have meaningful effective policies if I need to spell it out to you (or pointless, bullshit populist ones like orange cunto).
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All it shows is that it was a pointless waste of $50 million.
Yep. Another example of misguided DNC figuring they could run any old candidate because of Trump's poor approval ratings. Not going to work and won't work anywhere. The DNC is in disarray. They have no platform which appeal to a broader electorate and they insist on running candidates who frankly are not qualified and/or are unable to inspire folks to vote for them.

DNC is stuck in a rut and no way will they do what is needed to gain back a majority come the 2018 elections.

If after throwing all this money at a loser doesn't have Demcrates demanding a purge at the top of the party things will only get worse in future.
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Jon Ossoff's $23 Million Loss Shows Dems Have No Idea How to Win in the Age of Trump
‘The fight goes on. Hope is still alive,’ Ossoff said in his concession speech, as his party struggles to crack the code for converting resistance into victory.

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06.21.17

SANDY SPRINGS, Georgia—After $50 million and a congressional contest bigger than some presidential primaries, the special election in Georgia’s 6th District to replace Rep. Tom Price ended up where it began, with the House seat still in Republican hands and national Democrats still looking for a way to turn the resistance to Donald Trump into a victory at the polls.

With 81 percent reporting, former Secretary of State Karen Handel defeated Democrat Jon Ossoff 52.5 percent to 47.5 percent.

From the moment Price announced he was leaving the seat to become President Donald Trump’s secretary of health and human services, the race to replace him was a highly nationalized, money-soaked brawl—a referendum, especially for Democrats, on the president in an affluent suburban Atlanta district he’d barely won in November.
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After Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) endorsed Ossoff, then a 29-year-old unknown Democrat who lived just outside the district, liberal activists from across the country flooded Ossoff’s campaign war chest, blowing it up into a $23 million mega-campaign in five months. Within weeks, he rocketed to the front of the field in the Republican-packed 17-way jungle primary in April.

When Ossoff came up less than 2 points short of the 50 percent threshold to win the primary outright in April, he went on to face off against Handel, a longtime fixture in local Republican politics. While Handel stuck to closed-door fundraisers, avoided national reporters, and held invitation-only GOP events, Ossofff knocked on doors, did Republican neighborhood meetings, and went to every meet-and-greet he could. His goal was to ask for every vote. Hers was to stick with what had been working for the last 40 years in the district: turning out reliable Republicans.

The Washington big guns joined in on both sides, with Speaker Paul Ryan’s PAC sending millions of dollars to give Handel TV air cover as Trump mean-tweeted and Comey-fired his way to one bad headline after another.

On the Democratic side, the combined efforts of the Ossoff campaign, the Democratic National Committee, and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee help build a monster operation unprecedented in Georgia Democratic politics. By the end of the race, they had knocked on more than 500,000 doors, hired 100 staffers, recruited 12,000 active volunteers and spent more than $11 million on ads on everything from the Today show to Korean newspapers and gospel stations.

But, and this is the part that will sting Democrats for a long time: It still wasn’t enough.

In his concession speech, Ossoff told his supporters they had done much more than work on a campaign. “You have provided a beacon of hope, not just for people in Georgia, but for people around the world,” he said, finishing. “The fight goes on. Hope is still alive.”

When the full returns are counted, Republicans here will have to ask themselves why the race was so close in a community that Mitt Romney won by 23 percentage points in 2012, and also what Handel did right to keep her own fortunes separate and apart from Donald Trump’s tweetstorms.

But Democrats will have more soul searching to do. They are now zero-for-four in special elections since Trump became the president and need to understand why.
They’ll be quick to say the Ossoff race never should have been so close, which is true. And that Ossoff won in a sense just by being competitive in an R+10 district, which is sort of true.


But after $23 million, a candidate who genuinely ignited the grassroots, and a Republican president who may or may not be (but probably is) under FBI investigation and can’t stop talking about it, the real question Democrats need to answer is: What’s it going to take to win an election in the era of Trump?
As of Tuesday night, they still have no idea
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Jon Ossoff's $23 Million Loss Shows Dems Have No Idea How to Win in the Age of Trump
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I don't see what all the fuss is about.

If the American people are too stupid to realise who is fucking them over after 2008, they are never going to learn.
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