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    Nobody takes these party manifestos seriously , only the media believe in this bollocks, helps fill the airwaves and print.
    All parties promise the earth before an election, and cannot deliver when in power.

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    People are going to food banks whilst the rich are getting richer; that is what Theresa May offers. Check this Guardian article on the Times Rich List https://www.theguardian.com/business...MCNEWEML6619I2

    If you look at mainstream media you see attacks on Corbyn from the Tories from Blair because Corbyn's Labour will balance the budget by taxing the rich - increasing taxes for those earning more than £80000. Theresa May lets big business not pay any tax and claims nurses are not going to food banks.

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    Well she's just gonna have to make a better tax offer then.

    Labour's idea of more taxes for the top 5% or whatever, earners is a good start, but should increase as their incomes increase, not stop at an arbitrary cut off point where the super-rich don't pay more than the moderately wealthy.

    Maybe going back to the tax regime Harold Wilson set up, where it was 83% tax for the top end would be a better idea.
    “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? John 10:34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    I'm rather afraid that they will as much as it pains me to say it.
    Quite why so many people are willing to vote for more misery is beyond me. Cuts to hospitals, schools, the fire service and the police are hardly election winning policies but yet they get votes.
    Taking a hardline on immigration will always appeal to a certain block of the population- it will most likely be a lie and immigration will remain or increase.
    I'm not from the UK, but I've lived there.

    What one person describes as 'misery' might also be seen as reducing the spend to balance the books.

    You can't fund the NHS on the Credit Card ... on the Never Never.

    Nor can you favour the 'Big End of Town' with generous Tax concessions at the expense of a decent Social Justice support mechanisms.

    It's a balancing act.

    If you want a generous Social Welfare Platform, you have to fund it somehow.

    Take Sweden for example, they have a good Social Safety Net, but the average tax rate there is ...
    The Personal Income Tax Rate in Sweden stands at 57.10 percent.
    Personal Income Tax Rate in Sweden averaged 56.31 percent from 1995 until 2016,
    reaching an all time high of 61.40 percent in 1996 and a record low of 51.50 percent in 2000.
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    My modest time following Politics show me that generally we favour/keep in Government, a Conservative Party who takes care
    of Business ... both big and small and shows compassionate consciousness/policies to the less fiscally advantaged.

    Sometimes, when that balance swings too far one way or the other we oust them and change to the 'other mob' in hope that they bring the changes we desire.
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    Not like for like comparisons though, housing is cheap in Sweden, in the UK people spend most of their money and their working lives paying for a roof over their heads. Sweden also abolished inheritance tax which gives a huge boost to family wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bower View Post
    ... housing is cheap in Sweden, in the UK people spend most of their money and their working lives paying for a roof over their heads.
    Not so.
    "The average cost to buy Sweden is £3,467 per m2 and in Stockholm it’s £8,045. This compares to £2,216 in UK and, depending on the area, £5,000-£10,000 in London.
    https://britishexpatguide.co.uk/is-s...-living-guide/
    Sweden also abolished inheritance tax which gives a huge boost to family wealth.
    UK raised the tax free level on inheritance tax to 325,000 pounds per person.

    "But all estates worth more than £50,000 will be forced to pay increased fees. Those between £50,000 and £300,000 will pay £300; estates worth over £1m but less than £1.6m will pay £8,000; and those above £2m £20,000"

    New death tax confirmed: probate fees of up to £20,000 will apply from May

    Effectively soaking the rich, but hardly making the average working class home owner struggle to pay for a roof over their heads.

    Mortgage fees are lower in Sweden though, but cost of living is a fair bit higher, than UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow
    we were now working more than 3 months for the govt before we started earning for ourselves
    get the public servants on performance validated contracts like the rest of us - stop the empire building

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    Quote Originally Posted by billzant View Post
    People are going to food banks whilst the rich are getting richer

    Check this Guardian article on the Times Rich List https://www.theguardian.com/business...MCNEWEML6619I2
    Some rich people got richer. Some didn't.

    Sir Philip and Lady Green slipped 12 places to 41 as their wealth fell by £433m over the past year, to almost £2.8bn, following the collapse of BHS that triggered a bitter public row.

    Mike Ashley, founder of Sports Direct and owner of Newcastle United football club, dropped nine places to 54 after his fortune fell by £270m to almost £2.2bn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bower View Post
    ... housing is cheap in Sweden, in the UK people spend most of their money and their working lives paying for a roof over their heads.
    Not so.
    "The average cost to buy Sweden is £3,467 per m2 and in Stockholm it’s £8,045. This compares to £2,216 in UK and, depending on the area, £5,000-£10,000 in London.
    https://britishexpatguide.co.uk/is-s...-living-guide/
    Sweden also abolished inheritance tax which gives a huge boost to family wealth.
    UK raised the tax free level on inheritance tax to 325,000 pounds per person.

    "But all estates worth more than £50,000 will be forced to pay increased fees. Those between £50,000 and £300,000 will pay £300; estates worth over £1m but less than £1.6m will pay £8,000; and those above £2m £20,000"

    New death tax confirmed: probate fees of up to £20,000 will apply from May

    Effectively soaking the rich, but hardly making the average working class home owner struggle to pay for a roof over their heads.

    Mortgage fees are lower in Sweden though, but cost of living is a fair bit higher, than UK.
    As a home owner in Sweden myself I beg to differ, you compare costs per m2 but not salary. Security of tenants also makes life easier for all to secure their homestead with fairer rents.
    Hard times ahead for Sweden for sure, they are swamped with migrants and risk a swing to the right in next years elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi
    Nobody takes these party manifestos seriously...
    Quite a few do read them, even if you don't bother, so less of the generalisation please...

    The Tory manifesto with respect to Brexit is so wishy-washy as to be content free. They still haven't a co-ordinated plan of action or even a unified way forward as a goal for Brexit. They are 'winging it', as Ms May has been, since she became PM.

    The gap has closed quite significantly over the last week. I don't think it will make much difference to the winner, but the Tories may not get the very large swing they were hoping for.

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