Thread: The 2017 UK General Election

Nigel is really a dangerous individual,

a delusional speaker, who can hypnotize the average English man and the younger chavs

Dangerous to the EU, definitely. He's banged in several of its coffin nails.

Dangerous to anyone hoping (or, worse, contributing money) to get him elected. How many failed attempts is it now as an MP? Six?

One more won't hurt then.

Can't see him being elected. UKIP are history. He's far better off staying in the EU Parliament and doing his phone in radio show.

Originally Posted by Immigrunt

Can't see him being elected. UKIP are history. He's far better off staying in the EU Parliament and doing his phone in radio show.

Not so sure about UKIP being history just yet but they could be in a few months depending on how the local and general election goes, if they can make gains in the local elections then they will roll on. Saying that while I voted UKIP in 2015 I won't be voting for them, a big X in the Conservative box on June 8 for me.

^ I think most of their voters will do the same now A50 has been triggered hence my point. Their mission is underway.

Originally Posted by Immigrunt

^ I think most of their voters will do the same now A50 has been triggered hence my point. Their mission is underway.

Quite possibly on a national level and I can't see them getting anyone elected to parliament but what will determine their future is how they do in the local elections, if they can make gains there and maybe get control of a council or 2 then they will be able to justify their continued existence and have something to build on. Get wiped out at a local level then I agree it will be game over for them.

I notice Sturgeon sticking her oar in. I wonder what she will say if she loses a few seats?

MPs are set to vote today on Prime Minister Theresa May's call for a snap General Election.

The vote, which follows Mrs May's surprise decision to call for an early election despite repeatedly saying she had no intention of doing so, is required under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act.

Under the legislation two-thirds of the House of Commons - or 434 MPs - will need to support the proposal and agree to dissolve parliament, but with opposition parties backing the call it seems all but assured to pass.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn faced down calls from some MPs at a Westminster meeting on Tuesday evening for the party to abstain in the hope of forcing Mrs May to call a vote of no confidence in her own government.

Aides were unclear whether he will impose a three-line whip on MPs to vote in favour.

It seems likely that Britain will be heading to the polls on June 8, giving the election machine less than two months to put everything in place for polling day.

Overnight Mrs May spoke to US President Donald Trump who "wished the British people the best of luck in their electoral process", the White House said.

Mrs May's change of heart on an early general election has come about, she has suggested, in order to end "political game-playing" and strengthen her hand as she navigates Brexit.

In an exclusive interview with ITV News Political Editor Robert Peston the prime minister said she came to the conclusion an election was necessary shortly before Easter, while walking in Wales with her husband Philip.

Announcing the plan yesterday she said an early General Election was "the only way to guarantee certainty and security for years ahead".

But it is clear that in part Mrs May decision also arose from concerns that the 2020 election date, stipulated by the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act, would leave her facing an election vulnerably close to the end of the two-year EU withdrawal negotiations.

A fair wind in the expected June election could instead allow Mrs May to improve her slim 17-seat majority and push the next election date back to 2022, by which time the UK should have long ago left the EU.

Labour's Mr Corbyn said Mrs May's decision had given voters the chance "to vote for a government that will put the interests of the majority first".

While Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron said the election provided an opportunity to block "a disastrous hard Brexit".

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon described the election call as "a huge political miscalculation by the prime minister" which would allow the SNP to reinforce its democratic mandate to stage a second referendum on independence.

MPs to vote on snap General Election - ITV News

She will definitely lose at least a few seats, no way will win 56 out of the 59 seats in Scotland again. I reckon the SNP will go down to circa 45 seats from current 56 with the LibDems being the biggest beneficiary also wouldn't surprise me if the Tories pick up one or two as Ruth Davidson is actually quite popular in Scotland for a Tory.

She's got a one track mind - independence opportunities.

Originally Posted by Immigrunt

She's got a one track mind - independence opportunities.

Like Slimey Salmond, she only has eyes for being the first President of Scotlandia and fuck what it does to the country.

She's head of a party whose primary goal is Scottish independence. What do you think she's going to be aiming at? And were you equally shocked when Theresa May turned out to be an evil, lying, self-serving sack of shit. Unusual for a Tory, isn't it.

I think her voters will begin to turn against her for trying to force a split any way she can. As a nationalist she doesn't like the EU any more then she likes the UK but stating that would be too much.

There's no contradiction in being pro-Scottish independence and pro-EU.

Originally Posted by Passing Through

There's no contradiction between being pro-Scottish independence and pro-EU.

No contradiction but clear evidence that the person who espouses such beliefs is a cretin.

Get real. The only reason she is pro-EU is because leaving both the UK and the EU would fuck Scotland, and every voter knows it. The EU is thus the lesser of 2 evils.

Oh, bugger.. I thought you meant the Thai elections, also due in 2017.

Almost forgot, it has been 'postponed'...

Always read the label carefully Dick.

I too think leaving the EU will fuck Britain. So what? I'm not a nationalist but it's absurdly stupid to think that being a nationalist means that you can't also be in favour of joining transnational bodies, even those which impinge on your national soverignty. Do you think Britain should withdraw from the UN? How about the WTO? Or TRIPS? Or a thousand others? Of course not.

Do they have the superstate aim of ever closer political and economic union? Thought not.

^^ That kind of Hun in the sun view is how you see the EU because that's your ideological stance but it hardly counts as some kind of objective truth about the world which everyone is going to agree on. And clearly, vast numbers of people don't agree with you so it's not a problem. Do you really think that pro-EU nationalists (of which there are millions) haven't thought this through? How ridiculous.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Immigrunt

Get real. The only reason she is pro-EU is because leaving both the UK and the EU would fuck Scotland, and every voter knows it. The EU is thus the lesser of 2 evils.

The SNP have been strongly pro-European integration since the 1988 party conference. They expressed strong EC support in the early '80s, abandoning the anti-EEC stance they'd taken in the late '60s and early 70's. That have, for most of their history, been pro-EEC, pro-EC, and pro-EU. It would be surprising if they'd changed their stance but they haven't done that. In fact being pro-EU and pro-Scottish independence has been their party platform for years.

Thanks for agreeing.