Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

manafort switched lawyers yesterday.

the old line about 'rearranging deck chairs on the titanic' comes to mind.

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

Former NSA experts say it wasn’t a hack at all, but a leak—an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system.
https://www.thenation.com/article/a-...ears-dnc-hack/


excerpt:

It is now a year since the Democratic National Committee’s mail system was compromised—a year since events in the spring and early summer of 2016 were identified as remote hacks and, in short order, attributed to Russians acting in behalf of Donald Trump. A great edifice has been erected during this time. President Trump, members of his family, and numerous people around him stand accused of various corruptions and extensive collusion with Russians. Half a dozen simultaneous investigations proceed into these matters. Last week news broke that Special Counsel Robert Mueller had convened a grand jury, which issued its first subpoenas on August 3. Allegations of treason are common; prominent political figures and many media cultivate a case for impeachment.

The president’s ability to conduct foreign policy, notably but not only with regard to Russia, is now crippled. Forced into a corner and having no choice, Trump just signed legislation imposing severe new sanctions on Russia and European companies working with it on pipeline projects vital to Russia’s energy sector. Striking this close to the core of another nation’s economy is customarily considered an act of war, we must not forget. In retaliation, Moscow has announced that the United States must cut its embassy staff by roughly two-thirds. All sides agree that relations between the United States and Russia are now as fragile as they were during some of the Cold War’s worst moments. To suggest that military conflict between two nuclear powers inches ever closer can no longer be dismissed as hyperbole.

All this was set in motion when the DNC’s mail server was first violated in the spring of 2016 and by subsequent assertions that Russians were behind that “hack” and another such operation, also described as a Russian hack, on July 5. These are the foundation stones of the edifice just outlined. The evolution of public discourse in the year since is worthy of scholarly study: Possibilities became allegations, and these became probabilities. Then the probabilities turned into certainties, and these evolved into what are now taken to be established truths. By my reckoning, it required a few days to a few weeks to advance from each of these stages to the next. This was accomplished via the indefensibly corrupt manipulations of language repeated incessantly in our leading media.

Lost in a year that often appeared to veer into our peculiarly American kind of hysteria is the absence of any credible evidence of what happened last year and who was responsible for it. It is tiresome to note, but none has been made available. Instead, we are urged to accept the word of institutions and senior officials with long records of deception. These officials profess “high confidence” in their “assessment” as to what happened in the spring and summer of last year—this standing as their authoritative judgment. Few have noticed since these evasive terms first appeared that an assessment is an opinion, nothing more, and to express high confidence is an upside-down way of admitting the absence of certain knowledge. This is how officials avoid putting their names on the assertions we are so strongly urged to accept—as the record shows many of them have done.

Continued at the link.

Originally Posted by raycarey

manafort switched lawyers yesterday.

the old line about 'rearranging deck chairs on the titanic' comes to mind.

It takes a special kind of attorney to defend a treason charge. The screws are tightening and I just wonder when the bloody truth starts to ooze out.

Originally Posted by thailazer

Originally Posted by raycarey

manafort switched lawyers yesterday.

the old line about 'rearranging deck chairs on the titanic' comes to mind.

It takes a special kind of attorney to defend a treason charge. The screws are tightening and I just wonder when the bloody truth starts to ooze out.

Well with the raiding of his house, I wouldn't be surprised if he sings like the proverbial canary...

i read the other day that the feds have been talking to his son-in-law.

Originally Posted by thailazer

Originally Posted by raycarey

manafort switched lawyers yesterday.

the old line about 'rearranging deck chairs on the titanic' comes to mind.

It takes a special kind of attorney to defend a treason charge. The screws are tightening and I just wonder when the bloody truth starts to ooze out.

He has hired one specializing in tax cases; Mueller has long since given up on the idiotic Russia collusion angle, but obviously not the idiots.

mueller wants to talk to priebus.

https://www.axios.com/mueller-wants-...472194717.html

^ The fishing expedition grows ever more vague and distracted.
Too bad they lost thier bait long ago after Trump jr is in the free and clear.
Only the truly dim and demented think this going anywhere.

i distinctly remember an investigation that began looking at an arkansas land deal but ended up being about a semen stained blue dress.

enjoy earl!

Originally Posted by longway

Originally Posted by thailazer

Originally Posted by raycarey

manafort switched lawyers yesterday.

the old line about 'rearranging deck chairs on the titanic' comes to mind.

It takes a special kind of attorney to defend a treason charge. The screws are tightening and I just wonder when the bloody truth starts to ooze out.

He has hired one specializing in tax cases; Mueller has long since given up on the idiotic Russia collusion angle, but obviously not the idiots.

Ooops I think you must have conveniently forgotten a couple of words....

Manafort switched to Miller and Chevalier — a boutique firm specializing in tax law and complicated financial crimes

you guys still fishing ?

it's going to be a long 4 years

Originally Posted by raycarey

i distinctly remember an investigation that began looking at an arkansas land deal but ended up being about a semen stained blue dress.

enjoy earl!

That's what I said the Russia collusion buffoonery has no legs, so now he has switched to other angles.

Originally Posted by longway

Originally Posted by raycarey

i distinctly remember an investigation that began looking at an arkansas land deal but ended up being about a semen stained blue dress.

enjoy earl!

That's what I said the Russia collusion buffoonery has no legs, so now he has switched to other angles.

Who said Russia collusion has no legs?

Strikes me that if you launder money for Russian elites, it would be in return for something.

Or is that extremely simple concept beyond your gnat-like intellect?

Mueller will have last laugh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Strikes me that if you launder money for Russian elites, it would be in return for something.

Why would the Russian elite need to launder money, anymore than Bill Gates and co.

Money laundering is about criminal income, so now you are saying it wasn't the Russian government meddling, but the Russian mafia.
Who by the way, Putin does not get along with, that's why many of the big bosses fled mother Russia to the US an Europe, just look at Russian owned housing in London.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Why would the Russian elite need to launder money, anymore than Bill Gates and co.

Because of sanctions.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

so now you are saying it wasn't the Russian government meddling, but the Russian mafia

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Russian elites

No that's what you are saying.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Strikes me that if you launder money for Russian elites, it would be in return for something.

Why would the Russian elite need to launder money, anymore than Bill Gates and co.

Money laundering is about criminal income, so now you are saying it wasn't the Russian government meddling, but the Russian mafia.
Who by the way, Putin does not get along with, that's why many of the big bosses fled mother Russia to the US an Europe, just look at Russian owned housing in London.

Money stolen from state coffers IS criminal income.

Why do you think Putin sold off all those assets to his mates for peanuts?

You don't think some of it has been squirreled away in the Caymans or whatever for his retirement?

When the truth comes out about how much Putin has stolen from the Russian people, they will want blood.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Why would the Russian elite need to launder money, anymore than Bill Gates and co.

Money laundering is about criminal income, so now you are saying it wasn't the Russian government meddling, but the Russian mafia.
Who by the way, Putin does not get along with, that's why many of the big bosses fled mother Russia to the US an Europe, just look at Russian owned housing in London.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Why do you think

you see, ^ here's your problem.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You don't think

^now you've got it.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

When the truth comes out about how much Putin has stolen from the Russian people, they will want blood.

His people know a lot about him - even without having a 2 years pre-election circus - that's why his approval rating is over 80%...

(Trying to google which POTUS got over 50%..., cannot find)

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Because of sanctions.

Ant you are just a troll, but I will bit this time, what sanctions are imposed on say Russian gas to the EU, paid in Dollars or Euros, banks won't except them or not.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Money stolen from state coffers IS criminal income.

Do you believe Putin went into the banks and stole bags of cash that needed to be laundered, if not and money was transferred by wire, it's clean.

So Putin used his own money, why Trump, Clinton was excepting cash from anyone and she delivered.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

When the truth comes out about how much Putin has stolen from the Russian people, they will want blood.

His people know a lot about him - even without having a 2 years pre-election circus - that's why his approval rating is over 80%...

(Trying to google which POTUS got over 50%..., cannot find)

Fucking hell, are you for real?

Putin controls the media in Russia. Who do you think decides what his approval rating is?

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Because of sanctions.

Ant you are just a troll, but I will bit this time, what sanctions are imposed on say Russian gas to the EU, paid in Dollars or Euros, banks won't except them or not.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Money stolen from state coffers IS criminal income.

Do you believe Putin went into the banks and stole bags of cash that needed to be laundered, if not and money was transferred by wire, it's clean.

So Putin used his own money, why Trump, Clinton was excepting cash from anyone and she delivered.

Jim, I seem to have to explain the obvious to you a lot.

When you sell state assets on the cheap to your mates, the billions in profits that they make are money stolen from the state.

You understand now?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

When you sell state assets on the cheap to your mates, the billions in profits that they make are money stolen from the state.

If you sell anything through a legal [international bank] whether the deal was honest or not, the monies are clean, shell companies etc.

Thought you were some sort of bean counter and would understand the difference between cash and bank transfers.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Because of sanctions.

Ant you are just a troll, but I will bit this time, what sanctions are imposed on say Russian gas to the EU, paid in Dollars or Euros, banks won't except them or not.

No Jim, I'm not a troll. You however are clearly a moron that doesn't know anything about the sanctions and just keeps plucking random spurious arguments out of your arse.

Mafia, Russian gas... neither of these things has anything to do with what is being discussed.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

If you sell anything through a legal [international bank] whether the deal was honest or not, the monies are clean, shell companies etc.

What is that even supposed to mean?? It makes precisely zero sense.

You don't understand the concept of money laundering either do you James.