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Old 13-08-2017, 09:36 PM   #2576 (permalink)
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When you sell state assets on the cheap to your mates, the billions in profits that they make are money stolen from the state.
If you sell anything through a legal [international bank] whether the deal was honest or not, the monies are clean, shell companies etc.

Thought you were some sort of bean counter and would understand the difference between cash and bank transfers.

I understand the difference between cash and bank transfers but clearly you don't know what money laundering is if you think it always involves cash.

When the oligarchs take the profits from companies they've obtained illegally (which is what selling state assets at well below market price is), and push them through the financial system with a complex series of wire transfers and proxies, that money effectively disappears.

For example, when a Russian has $95 million of money and uses it to buy a property for $40m, he has changed his stolen money for property. He can then sell on that property for someone else's "clean" money.

Meanwhile, the person that trousered $55 million in profit can return it to him by selling him a cheap asset through another vehicle; say, Bank of Cyprus. No-one will question it, when the bank's chairman is his mate and ends up getting his Treasury Secretary's job as a reward.

Meanwhile, the Russian can then sell his cheap asset on for some more clean money.

So he's converted his $95 million of stolen cash into legit cash which he can then wire transfer the fuck out of before stuffing it in his Cayman bank account, and squirreling a bit into Vlad's Young Savers account by way of thanks.

Meanwhile, the $95 million is now well out of reach of the Russians should they ever want it back.

It's all quite simple really, but probably beyond you.
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Are you starting to get it now, Jim?

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It is evident, however, that the scrutiny of Manafort, the now infamous Trump Tower meeting and the obstruction of justice issue are just fragments of a far bigger inquiry. Almost all the 16 lawyers now on Mueller’s team are specialists in money-laundering and other financial crimes, suggesting that the investigation will spend much of its time unwinding the complexities of the Trump and Kushner real estate empires, looking for where the money has come from to keep them afloat. The latest hire, Greg Andres, is a former deputy assistant attorney general who used to run a unit that targeted foreign bribery.
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For example, when a Russian has $95 million of money and uses it to buy a property for $40m, he has changed his stolen money for property. He can then sell on that property for someone else's "clean" money.
Puts it in a trunk and takes it to the US/ EU really.

Money laundering is about dirty money, so called, because it's dirty, used bills from the street.

No accountant are you, another internet wannabe.
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Are you starting to see the light yet Jim?

Or are you still the same clueless buffoon who said the US government couldn't go after Deutsche Bank?

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The possible financial ties between Trump and Russia were part of the concerns for US intelligence and law enforcement officials from the beginning, according to one current law enforcement official and one former US intelligence official.
Over the decades, the Trump real estate business and its financial dealings have come under scrutiny by the FBI and the Justice Department multiple times.
In some cases, the FBI was pursuing others who did business with the Trump organization, including alleged mobsters who controlled key contractors used by many real estate developers in New York during the 1980s. The flow of Russian money in real estate -- and concerns that some buyers were making the purchases to illegally launder money -- had also drawn some attention by US authorities to the Trump business.
One year into the FBI's Russia investigation, Mueller is on the Trump money trail - CNNPolitics
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Money laundering is about dirty money, so called, because it's dirty, used bills from the street.
And your answer was.
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Putin controls the media in Russia. Who do you think decides what his approval rating is?
Any link how he controls the media?
Does he perhaps own the media, similarly as the 6 US corporations owning 90% media?
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Putin controls the media in Russia. Who do you think decides what his approval rating is?
Any link how he controls the media?
Does he perhaps own the media, similarly as the 6 US corporations owning 90% media?
Are you too stupid to research for yourself?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...piece-by-piece

And it's not new. This from 2008; it's why it's called state controlled media.

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Money laundering is about dirty money, so called, because it's dirty, used bills from the street.
And your answer was.
Perhaps when you were a lad just out of National Service in your demob suit it was, but not now; "Dirty" money is just the proceeds of crime.

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“Money laundering is the biggest business in Russia,” one former Moscow banker, now living in exile, explained. “You steal from the budget. You’ve got this dirty money. You have to do something with it.”
Here's some reading for you Jim. It seem you're a bit out of touch.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-where-it-went
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Money laundering is about dirty money, so called, because it's dirty, used bills from the street.
...wait, does James think that money laundering is about literal dirty money??

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Evidence is stacking up that the dnc files were not hacked, but leaked by an insider. It seems that that the download speeds achieved by the supposed hack are implausible, and are commensurate with data being transferred into a thumb drive.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-...ears-dnc-hack/

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“A speed of 22.7 megabytes is simply unobtainable, especially if we are talking about a transoceanic data transfer,” Folden said. “Based on the data we now have, what we’ve been calling a hack is impossible.”

Last week Forensicator reported on a speed test he conducted more recently. It tightens the case considerably. “Transfer rates of 23 MB/s (Mega Bytes per second) are not just highly unlikely, but effectively impossible to accomplish when communicating over the Internet at any significant distance,” he wrote.

“Further, local copy speeds are measured, demonstrating that 23 MB/s is a typical transfer rate when using a USB–2 flash device (thumb drive).”
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Evidence is stacking up that the dnc files were not hacked, but leaked by an insider. It seems that that the download speeds achieved by the supposed hack are implausible, and are commensurate with data being transferred into a thumb drive.
Cool story bro. But the thread's called "Trump Russian Ties investigation" not "longways Comically Desperate and Transparent Attempts to Distract and Divert".

Now quick, look over............ here!
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^^^About this article, which has been mentioned before on this thread.


But this article is neither conclusive proof nor strong evidence. It’s the extremely long-winded product of a crank, and it’s been getting attention only because it appears in a respected left-wing publication like The Nation. Anyone hoping to read it for careful reporting and clear explanation is going to come away disappointed, however.

entire article here The Nation Article About the DNC Hack Is Incoherent
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Evidence is stacking up that longway probably didn't even read it.

His is not to think and critically examine and weigh evidence, his to to uncritically and unthinkingly regurgitate right-wing echo-chamber talking points and to polish Trumps turds.
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to uncritically and unthinkingly regurgitate right-wing echo-chamber talking points and to polish Trumps turds.
to be fair, he's doing a fabulous job...
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^^^ I just read it, it doesnt debunk anything at all. The just vaguely insinuates that the nation article is not correct, but provides nothing of substance.

Just a hastily concocted bit of spin, eg pretending that the authors of the report dedunking the claims of a dnc hack don't know the difference between bandwidth and download speeds. it just shows that its a pathetic attempt at a smear.

As for the anonymity, this is addressed by Patrick Lawrence of the Nation:

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I will comment on only one question raised here. It has to do w/ anonymity, a matter I looked into carefully and repeatedly during the reporting. As noted in what I wrote, anonymity in this field is respected as common practice.

Last night I had a note from Adam Carter in which he addressed this question of identity. (I didn't solicit his remarks on the topic.) He wrote in part:

"Please know that both Forensicator and myself only choose to remain behind pseudonyms for security. (Understanding Guccifer 2.0's purpose makes it clear to us that whoever it is, they are connected to influential and wealthy politicians that are not likely to be happy about this being exposed and the prospect of it being who we think it is does not make us feel any safer.)"
Adam Carter went on to note he and colleagues are aware of the inconvenience their decisions to remain anonymous imposes.
I see nothing peculiar in this judgment. I ought to add that some of my intelligence sources warned me as we finished our work together to be careful driving, esp at night and esp on the country roads I traverse to get home. This is not funny business, I was firmly advised. I'm not in a position to judge these kinds of things directly, but they are, and so I take their word for it.

That's that.

As to all or most of the other remarks in this thread, nothing in any of them alters in the slightest detail anything readers will find in the piece. We're bolted to the floor on this one.

Cheers to all.

Patrick Lawrence.

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to uncritically and unthinkingly regurgitate right-wing echo-chamber talking points and to polish Trumps turds.
to be fair, he's doing a fabulous job...

Yes always make it about me as you cant respond with anything of substance. Saddos.

The nation is not a right wing publication you clueless cretins.

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And no its got nothing to do with the Thai 'The Nation' newspaper.
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Yes always make it about me as you cant respond with anything of substance. Saddos.
Annnnnnnnnnd hypocrites be hypocriting. Again.

That you don't apply or hold yourself to the same standards that you arbitrarily and inconsistently demand of others is just yet another of the reasons that you have zero credibility.
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it’s been getting attention only because it appears in a respected left-wing publication like The Nation
Do you actually read anything before you post?

Can you read??
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Reminds me of Boon Mee posting articles that he thinks support his case when he has not even read them.
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Putin controls the media in Russia. Who do you think decides what his approval rating is?
Any link how he controls the media?
Does he perhaps own the media, similarly as the 6 US corporations owning 90% media?
Are you too stupid to research for yourself?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...piece-by-piece

And it's not new. This from 2008; it's why it's called state controlled media.

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Paper Shut Down After Report Vladimir Putin Divorced Wife to Marry Gymnast | Fox News
For the best source to know something about dangerous Mr. Putin is to go to media of UK where they harbor so many who had suffered under Putin (Abramovich, etc.).

BTW, how is now the UK government connections with the media czar Murdoch?
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Reminds me of Boon Mee posting articles that he thinks support his case when he has not even read them.
Ah those were classics!

He'd be all like: 'Heh, take this liberals!' and then it would be: 'Errm, Booners...'.
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Reminds me of Boon Mee posting articles that he thinks support his case when he has not even read them.
Dumb and dumber, just like their posts.
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He still has the same cut and paste MO over on TC just a far smaller audience.
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Longway I have a simple question for you. Do you think Trump is smart?
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Old 14-08-2017, 09:08 AM   #2599 (permalink)
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^ If you dont know the answer to that by now, you are even dumber than I thought.

Which is difficult to achieve, so congratulations on that.

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That's right, Trump is a stupid man.
A stupid man against all odds and the well funded super media darling, Trump managed to pull off the magic trick to end all magic tricks.

How did he do it?

Oh yea right, I forgot...the Russians did it!
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