Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Au contraire, re "comprehension". Muellers report is not a disappointment (yet) to anyone who realises Barr's rapid and brief interpretation was partisan and very likely incorrect/incomplete.

A trailer trash mouth-breather is someone who shouts, for example, "lock her up, lock her up" and other brainless chants, hailing Trump as a messiah. They also avidly watch Fox, professional wrestling and Duck Dynasty.

An an interpretation signed of by Rosenstein also.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

An an interpretation signed of by Rosenstein also.

Oh, well that makes it a concrete open-and-shut case then.

2 days to read, interpet, and cogitate on the legal ramifications of hundreds of intertwined pieces of information contained in a report of an estimated 700 pages. They're obviously not partisan, they're the legal dynamic duo.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

An epic level of stupidity is you not being able to see the correlation between you posting Schiff’S speech and you believing Muellers investigation to be a waste of money as it did not indict Trump or any of his family.

There is no correlation you fucking moron and I do not think the Mueller investigation was a waste of money and neither does Senator Schiff that is why he was giving the speech.

Now can you explain to me how you can justify calling me stupid for something I never even said? Clearly senile.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Oh, well that makes it a concrete open-and-shut case then.

2 days to read, interpet, and cogitate on the legal ramifications of hundreds of intertwined pieces of information contained in a report of an estimated 700 pages. They're obviously not partisan, they're the legal dynamic duo.

Not it what I am saying,but Rosenstein did hire Mueller and I am sure he knows Muellers integrity so it makes it a lot more ok than just Barr’s interpretation.
What’s quite hilarious is when you people were sure indictments for Trump and all his family would come from Mueller he was your hero,but now you have been disappointed and you turn on him. Even if you were to see the unredacted report, that said the same thing Barr’s interpretation said you wouldn’t be satisfied.

Originally Posted by bsnub

There is no correlation you fucking moron and I do not think the Mueller investigation was a waste of money and neither does Senator Schiff that is why he was giving the speech.

Now can you explain to me how you can justify calling me stupid for something I never even said? Clearly senile.

Of of course I can but you are too dense to understand,as I was quite clear that you not being able to see the correlation showed your stupidity. But then being the narcissistic you are you would never admit to it,so what’s the point.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Of of course I can but you are too dense to understand,as I was quite clear that you not being able to see the correlation showed your stupidity.

JFC you are an idiot. So if you can please explain how I am stupid for you attempting to draw a false correlation to something I never said. This should be good moron I will be waiting.

You can almost see the gears turning in Repeater's head and the machinations.

He's basically taking the Fox News / Echo Chamber talking points he has been given and tying to square peg them into round holes.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

What’s quite hilarious is when you people were sure indictments for Trump and all his family would come from Mueller he was your hero,but now you have been disappointed and you turn on him.

Eh? You talk about me not comprehending, then repeat the same example of your non-comprehension after I pointed out to you that you are not comprehending if you think any of us are disappointed with Mueller and his report.

The U.S. Needs a Post-Mueller Reality Check
The conspiracy narrative wasn't borne out. Now Americans should dismiss the idea of a Russian "hybrid war."
31 March 2019



In “Gruffalo,” Julia Donaldson’s children’s book, an enterprising mouse casts an oversized shadow to scare a powerful but naive monster. It’s clear now that the myth of a Donald Trump-Vladimir Putin conspiracy presented the Russian president as an exaggerated threat, when he is more of a mouse. American Russia watchers should be looking for other mistakes of this kind.

The concept of a Russian “hybrid war,” fought simultaneously with weapons, cyber intrusions and propaganda, is a good place to start this reappraisal.

The conspiracy theory about Trump as a Russian asset was grotesque and implausible, the plot of a cheap Cold War-era spy thriller. The narrative was built on the shakiest of foundations: A retired British spy’s unattributed fantasies, an obscure Russian lawyer’s lobbying efforts in the U.S. on behalf of her client, a real estate project that never even got as far as serious discussions and, most recently, on a campaign manager’s decision to share some polling data with a Russian national.

Yet serious people chose to believe it, as they once believed in the might of the Soviet empire. As the Soviet Union fell apart, I remember many conversations with American visitors astounded to discover how wrong they’d been once they saw how much of the giant’s supposed power had been a Potemkin village. I’m not sure Americans were all that easy to deceive then or now, though: It just fit certain political agendas to see Russia as a mighty adversary.

That’s the case with the “hybrid war” narrative, too: It sustains an industry of information warriors. But the narrative is as flawed as the conspiracy theory of Trump as a Russian asset was.

It’s easy to determine that Russia never adopted a “hybrid war” strategy. Chief of General Staff General Valery Gerasimov has only spoken, time and time again, of the need to respond to a putative Western hybrid assault, including with information warfare and economic pressure to complement military force. But in saying that, Gerasimov has himself been pushing a conspiracy theory popular with the Kremlin – that the U.S. is trying to engineer regime change in Russia by various means, including a “fifth column.”

American Russia watchers don’t need to buy the inversion of that Russian conspiracy theory that makes Russia the hybrid villain. It’s worth entertaining the idea that some hostile actions by Russia – including social network trolling by a private but pro-Kremlin team of hirelings, hacking by a group of military intelligence officers, military and paramilitary activity in Ukraine, disinformation by state-owned media, the operation in Syria – aren’t really part of a coordinated effort.

It’s time, perhaps, to take another look at the Russia analyst Mark Galeotti’s concept of “adhocracy” – a chaotic set-up in which various “policy entrepreneurs” propose or even do things they think might please Putin because they are in line with his broad vision of Russia’s role in the world. 1 These attempts to ingratiate can range from the 2016 trolling operation in the U.S. to efforts at creating back channels to improve the Russian-U.S. relationship (the mission of Maria Butina, the gun activist and graduate student who is to be sentenced next month in the U.S. for serving as an unregistered Russian agent, falls into that category).

Even the military, and especially military intelligence, can act “entrepreneurially.” These efforts sometimes damage Putin’s cause and backfire for Russian national interests. The accidental downing of the Malaysian passenger airliner over eastern Ukraine in 2014 is a tragic example of such a misbegotten initiative.

It could be useful to view Russian actions toward the U.S. and the West in general as multivector, chaotic, competitive, ad hoc and opportunistic. Putin’s underlying vision of the West as an adversary and Russia as a fortress might be compellingly simple, but the impulses it brings to life aren’t.

Some of Russia’s actions might not even be hostile but are aimed at bridge-building and much-needed day-to-day deconfliction. Others, like the ham-handed trolling or the clumsy state propaganda, don’t deserve the seriousness with which they are treated (that seriousness is matched only by the Kremlin’s often comic suspicion of Western platforms and media). Other measures, like the hacking, can be countered with generic cybersecurity, and have nothing to do with fighting off a monumental Russian threat: It doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things if Russian military intelligence steals those emails or a 14-year-old hacker does (and shops them to Russian, Chinese, North Korean and any other spies, or just to Wikileaks).

There can be no holistic approach to tackling all of these various challenges, especially not without missing the hopeful, and potentially useful, attempts to establish more normal communication. A united front is only needed where real, lethal wars are fought – Ukraine, for one, needs the West’s continued support to stay on a European path. Putin’s nuclear weapons-rattling deserves close attention, too.

But in the U.S., other parts of Russia’s supposed hybrid strategy have been blown out of proportion and seen as part of an evil plan that’s as unlikely to exist as a criminal Trump-Putin conspiracy always was. In the post-Russiagate era, this needs to be corrected and attention reallocated. It could help make the U.S.-Russian relationship less hysterical, if not more friendly.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...-reality-check

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Again, I can't wait for the presidential debates

I think we already know who Trump is.

Originally Posted by bsnub

JFC you are an idiot. So if you can please explain how I am stupid for you attempting to draw a false correlation to something I never said. This should be good moron I will be waiting.

As I said in my previous post you are too dense to understand so what’s the point.

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Congress's number one function is to fuck over the other party.

Yup, America's addiction to Soap Opera fare. America's political theatre is now a continual non-stop. No sooner than the day after the election do the solicitations for the next elections fundraisers go out. Ludicrous ridiculous and borderline insane.

And the fanaticism spans the aisle - both parties are cut from the same cloth - dems and repubs are identical. The party line blurs, actually obliviates logic and common sense.


Ironic and telling thing is that the insanity knows no boundaries or borders. Perhaps naught but human nature.

The absolute passion of the die hard politico dems and repubs is not only entertaining, it is distracting and due to this it is disturbing.

This thread, and the several other threads concerning politics in this forum are prime examples of the absolute "stupidity" of human beings.

Originally Posted by bowie

Yup, America's addiction to Soap Opera fare. America's political theatre is now a continual non-stop. No sooner than the day after the election do the solicitations for the next elections fundraisers go out. Ludicrous ridiculous and borderline insane.

The only channel that should be live in Congress is C-SPAN and the only still photographer be a pool photographer. Start taking some of the pretense and drama out of the televised stuff and perhaps Congress will be more focused on their jobs rather than their "optics".

Originally Posted by bowie

Yup, America's addiction to Soap Opera fare. America's political theatre is now a continual non-stop. No sooner than the day after the election do the solicitations for the next elections fundraisers go out. Ludicrous ridiculous and borderline insane.

I can only remember one orange-coloured, bald cunto who started having campaign rallies soon after he got elected.

No-one's ever been that bad.

His team call it "connecting with his base". What with him and the interwebs, and actual "fake news" sources like Breitbart and Fox, there is now an epidemic of confirmation bias in American politics.

Repeater is the perfect example of such mindless drones. As is Booners.

Originally Posted by bowie

This thread, and the several other threads concerning politics in this forum are prime examples of the absolute "stupidity" of human beings.

Bienvenidos compadre. Pues, aquí estamos. Welcome, mate. Well, here we are.

Originally Posted by bsnub

So you have no explanation for you utter idiocy. Nice fail attempting to draw a false correlation to something I never said. Senile old fool.

If if you cared to check back a few posts I already explained it to you,as I said if you are too dense to understand,what would repeating myself do.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

If if you cared to check back a few posts I already explained it to you

You didn't explain shit. You are clearly confused as usual. This is what you posted...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

My question was,in posting Schiff’s speech are you then using his speech to profess your belief that Muellers investigation was a waste of time as it hasn’t really produced the results you would have like to have seen.

That above makes not sense. Schiff was validating the investigation in the speech that you clearly did not bother to read. So it is a false correlation. I posted this in reply...

Originally Posted by bsnub

JFK you are a moron. How you can make an assumption like that based on that speech is confounding to say the least, but you have been known to display an epic level of stupidity.

This was your reply...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

An epic level of stupidity is you not being able to see the correlation between you posting Schiff’S speech and you believing Muellers investigation to be a waste of money as it did not indict Trump or any of his family. So now I will ask you directly,do you believe Mueller’s investigation was a waste of money as no indictments of Trump coming directly from Mueller.

Drawing false conclusions is something that you do often and it is on display here once again. This is my response clearly squashing your retarded false conclusion.

Originally Posted by bsnub

There is no correlation you fucking moron and I do not think the Mueller investigation was a waste of money and neither does Senator Schiff that is why he was giving the speech.

Now go back to soaking your dentures you senile old fool. You are a waste of oxygen.

Originally Posted by bsnub

You didn't explain shit. You are clearly confused as usual. This is what you posted...



That above makes not sense. Schiff was validating the investigation in the speech that you clearly did not bother to read. So it is a false correlation. I posted this in reply...



This was your reply...



Drawing false conclusions is something that you do often and it is on display here once again. This is my response clearly squashing your retarded false conclusion.



Now go back to soaking your dentures you senile old fool. You are a waste of oxygen.

You really wasted a lot of computer time with your ridiculous reply’s to a simple question,a yes or no would have been sufficient.

Originally Posted by bowie

The absolute passion of the die hard politico dems and repubs is not only entertaining, it is distracting and due to this it is disturbing.

This thread, and the several other threads concerning politics in this forum are prime examples of the absolute "stupidity" of human beings.

I'm sure there were plenty of cynics in Germany in the Thirties too who couldn't be arsed to care about the direction their country was going in.

Originally Posted by Humbert

I'm sure there were plenty of cynics in Germany in the Thirties too

Don't know, mostly jewish eh? I figure the reason hitler was so successful was control of information. I expect most of the german population were unaware of the actual mechanics and the downside of hitlers activities and purges. Most were force fed media showing just how great a job hitler and the SS were doing - Hitler youth, etc.

The advent of "Radio Free Europe" came just a bit too late. Ahh... but for the wonders of todays internet

^ the kind of deflection and bullshit one expects from die-hard Trumpanzees

Originally Posted by Humbert

Trumpanzees

name callin'?

hmm... struck a nerve did I?

Originally Posted by bowie

name callin'?

hmm... struck a nerve did I?

Not really. You just spouted the sort of shit we've got used to from trumpanzees.