Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Why are you shy about disclosing personal information?

Talking of precipitous mental decline.....

Russia Isn’t the Only One Meddling in Elections. We Do It, Too.
By SCOTT SHANE FEB. 17, 2018

Bags of cash delivered to a Rome hotel for favored Italian candidates. Scandalous stories leaked to foreign newspapers to swing an election in Nicaragua. Millions of pamphlets, posters and stickers printed to defeat an incumbent in Serbia.

The long arm of Vladimir Putin? No, just a small sample of the United States’ history of intervention in foreign elections.

“If you ask an intelligence officer, did the Russians break the rules or do something bizarre, the answer is no, not at all,” said Steven L. Hall, who retired in 2015 after 30 years at the C.I.A., where he was the chief of Russian operations. The United States “absolutely” has carried out such election influence operations historically, he said, “and I hope we keep doing it.”

Loch K. Johnson, the dean of American intelligence scholars, who began his career in the 1970s investigating the C.I.A. as a staff member of the Senate’s Church Committee, says Russia’s 2016 operation was simply the cyber-age version of standard United States practice for decades, whenever American officials were worried about a foreign vote.

“We’ve been doing this kind of thing since the C.I.A. was created in 1947,” said Mr. Johnson, now at the University of Georgia. “We’ve used posters, pamphlets, mailers, banners — you name it. We’ve planted false information in foreign newspapers. We’ve used what the British call ‘King George’s cavalry’: suitcases of cash.”

Correction: February 18, 2018
An earlier version of this article stated incorrectly that Aleksei Navalny, a political opponent of the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, had received grants from the National Endowment for Democracy. In fact, an organization employing him received one $23,000 grant from the endowment in 2006.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/s...do-it-too.html

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Russia Isn’t the Only One Meddling in Elections. We Do It, Too.
By SCOTT SHANE FEB. 17, 2018

Bags of cash delivered to a Rome hotel for favored Italian candidates. Scandalous stories leaked to foreign newspapers to swing an election in Nicaragua. Millions of pamphlets, posters and stickers printed to defeat an incumbent in Serbia.

The long arm of Vladimir Putin? No, just a small sample of the United States’ history of intervention in foreign elections.

“If you ask an intelligence officer, did the Russians break the rules or do something bizarre, the answer is no, not at all,” said Steven L. Hall, who retired in 2015 after 30 years at the C.I.A., where he was the chief of Russian operations. The United States “absolutely” has carried out such election influence operations historically, he said, “and I hope we keep doing it.”

Loch K. Johnson, the dean of American intelligence scholars, who began his career in the 1970s investigating the C.I.A. as a staff member of the Senate’s Church Committee, says Russia’s 2016 operation was simply the cyber-age version of standard United States practice for decades, whenever American officials were worried about a foreign vote.

“We’ve been doing this kind of thing since the C.I.A. was created in 1947,” said Mr. Johnson, now at the University of Georgia. “We’ve used posters, pamphlets, mailers, banners — you name it. We’ve planted false information in foreign newspapers. We’ve used what the British call ‘King George’s cavalry’: suitcases of cash.”

Correction: February 18, 2018
An earlier version of this article stated incorrectly that Aleksei Navalny, a political opponent of the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, had received grants from the National Endowment for Democracy. In fact, an organization employing him received one $23,000 grant from the endowment in 2006.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/s...do-it-too.html

If you are going to post the same shit in more than one thread, correct them both you moron.

Better still, stick to one.

Originally Posted by Norton

Proving the Russians did was a slam dunk and not the end game of the investigation.

It's one half of the collusion equation. Now, it's going to be about linking the other half.

^
at the convention, somebody changed the GOP platform on ukraine.

one GOP delegate reportedly told investigators the order came from trump himself.


https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/56831...kraine-support


is this what he's hiding?

Originally Posted by raycarey

at the convention, somebody changed the GOP platform on ukraine.

one GOP delegate reportedly told investigators the order came from trump himself.

The Russian ambassador was at the convention. He, like many other ambassadors met with Team Orange...

The original amendment, which proposed that the GOP commit to sending "lethal weapons" to the Ukrainian army to fend off Russian aggression, was ultimately altered to say "provide appropriate assistance" before it was included in the party's official platform.
The altered amendment has come back into the spotlight amid reports that the campaign's chairman at the time, Paul Manafort, offered to exchange briefings about the campaign for debt repayment and/or cancellation from his contacts in Ukraine and Russia. Manafort had been a top adviser to Ukraine's pro-Russia Party of Regions from 2004 to 2014.

I'm guessing Gates has the dirt on Manafort.

Originally Posted by raycarey

is this what he's hiding?

Maybe but he has deniability unless it can be proven Trump directly spoke with RNC about it.

mueller's about to get another one to flip.

gates' lawyer is due in court to admit to lying to the feds.

whoops.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...17117?lo=ap_a1

Originally Posted by Norton

Maybe but he has deniability unless it can be proven Trump directly spoke with RNC about it.

a GOP convention delegate claims that a trump aide told her that trump directed that the change be written into the platform .

if they both testify to that before the grand jury, then he's fcuked.


but again, if anything, i think it's the money laundering that will get him to resign this summer.

Originally Posted by raycarey

a GOP convention delegate claims that a trump aide told her that trump directed that the change be written into the platform .

Which Trump will deny. A he said she said thing won't get Trump in much trouble.

Originally Posted by raycarey

i think it's the money laundering that will get him to resign this summer.

Agree. In the end it will be the money does him in. Not so sure about the end of the year though. Will depend on how the mid terms are looking for Republicans.

Originally Posted by Norton

Agree. In the end it will be the money does him in.

Bannon said the same thing according to that book author....it's just a matter of following the money.

Originally Posted by raycarey

resign this summer.

you really think trump is the kind of guy who would resign?

really?

doubt it

and doubt he'd be convicted in the senate (60 votes).

anyways, ray: you're looking forward to a president pence?

Originally Posted by Norton

Nobody in there right mind would deny the Russians did not try to influence the election

Yeah, about that though...



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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Yeah, about that though...

I did say nobody in their right mind.

True!

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Seems you're posting shit off whackjob websites again.

Originally Posted by bsnub

So your typical garbage than OhDo.

A marker has been left.

Probably the facts illustrated will come back to haunt you both. Or I will forget them, so as not to illustrate your ignorance, once again.

Trump's days are down to double digits. By mid August Mueller should wind up his investigation with enough to sink Trump and his family of fuckwits.

Originally Posted by OhOh

A marker has been left.

Probably the facts illustrated will come back to haunt you both. Or I will forget them, so as not to illustrate your ignorance, once again.

There is nothing factual about that website. It's a crock of shit.

Wondering why this remark has not been said here:


https://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner/...ml#post3723115

Originally Posted by misskit
But you can’t just say it, you’ve got to provide evidence.


This sentence, my friend, is where the real rubber hits the road.

For an innocent man, Donald Trump sure does act guilty - NZ Herald

The Orange Turd doth protest too mutt...

New charges against Manafort and Gates.
This nothing burger sure has a lot of meat on it.

The special counsel investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin has stepped up pressure on the former campaign manager Paul Manafort by filing new sealed court charges against him.

Reuters saw a court record referring to the sealed charges, which were also directed against Rick Gates, Manafort’s former business associate, but the documents provided no details on the nature of the charges.


It was not clear if the charges involved alleged bank frauds the special counsel’s office referred to in a court dispute over Manafort’s bail on Friday, in which he is said to have doctored profit and loss statements from his firm, in order to get a mortgage on a property in Virginia.


NBC News reported on Wednesday that Manafort was being investigated for having allegedly promised the president of the Chicago-based Federal Savings Bank that loaned him his mortgage a job in the Trump White House in return for $16m in home loans on his properties in Virginia, New City and the Hamptons.


The bank president, Stephen Calk, served as a Trump adviser during the campaign but did not get a cabinet post. His ties to Manafort were first reported last year by Bloomberg News.




Trump-Russia inquiry: lawyer who worked with Manafort pleads guilty to lying to FBI
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Manafort, who was Trump’s campaign manager for almost five months in 2016, and Gates, who was deputy campaign manager, were indicted by the special counsel, the former FBI chief Robert Mueller, in October. They face charges including conspiracy to launder money, conspiracy to defraud the United States and failure to file as foreign agents for lobbying work they did on behalf of the pro-Russian Ukrainian Party of Regions. Both have pleaded not guilty.


The new charges and the leaked details of an investigation into Manafort home loans come a day after Alex van der Zwaan, a Dutch lawyer who worked with Manafort and Gates in representing pro-Russian interests in Ukraine, admitted lying to investigators as part of a plea deal with Mueller’s office.


Gates is also reported to be negotiating a plea deal, increasing the pressure on Manafort to cooperate with the Russia investigation. Manafort is currently under house arrest and is seeking to agree bail to allow him to move freely, but Mueller’s office is disputing the value of the assets, including his various properties, arguing that they were vulnerable to foreclosure, because of what Mueller’s office says is newly uncovered evidence of “additional criminal conduct”.


The special counsel’s office declined to comment on the new court filing, lawyers and representatives for Manafort and Gates could not be immediately reached for comment.


Mueller was appointed in May 2017 to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election campaign, possible collusion between Trump’s campaign and Moscow with Russia and whether Trump tried to obstruct the investigation. Trump has denied any collusion and has denounced the investigation as a witch-hunt.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ion-fbi-latest

^^Yet another "opinion" piece, passed as news.
NZ herald must model themselves after the NYT and CNN.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

^^Yet another "opinion" piece, passed as news.
NZ herald must model themselves after the NYT and CNN.

Well for one it's actually from the Washington Post.

For another, model themselves after the NYT and CNN in that they publish perfectly valid opinion pieces and don't attempt to promote them as anything other than opinion pieces?

And this is CNN

CNN sent a reporter to the home of an old lady in Florida to harass her about ‘Russian collusion’.

Not content with wall to wall coverage of the evidence-free allegation that the Trump campaign worked with shadowy Russian entities to the detriment of Hillary Clinton, the news network is now apparently stalking private citizens.

Florine Gruen Goldfarb runs the Team Trump Broward County Facebook page, which CNN claims, “posted numerous times about events that were promoted and encouraged by the Russians.”

A CNN reporter turned up to doorstep Goldfarb, repeatedly attempting to get her to acknowledge she colluded with Russians.

Goldfarb responded by saying all the people who physically attended her meetings were Trump supporters, not Russian bots.

“I don’t want to have anything to do with you,” Goldfarb tells the reporter, but he continues to confront her for over a minute.

Respondents to the video trashed CNN.

“We look forward to voting for Trump a second time. Keep badgering us — we’ll vote,” said Scott Presler.

“CNN looks so pathetic harassing and accusing old ladies of being Russian collaborators,” remarked another.

“Congrats to CNN for tracking down and harassing this random grandma at her house. You guys are real heroes,” commented Jimmy Princeton.

The entire operation CNN accuses Goldfarb of being embroiled in was run by the Internet Research Agency, a Kremlin-linked troll group that, according to CNN, “Was designed to undermine the American political system.”

However, according to The New Yorker’s Adrian Chen, who first profiled the group in 2015, the Internet Research Agency amounts to little more than, “90 people with a shaky grasp of English and a rudimentary understanding of U.S. politics shitposting on Facebook.”

Adrian Chen
✔@AdrianChen


Tried to tamp down the troll farm panic on @chrislhayes show last night. It's 90 people with a shaky grasp of English and a rudimentary understanding of U.S. politics shitposting on Facebook. https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/965960691697049601 …
9:53 PM - Feb 20, 2018

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Rob Goldman, Facebook’s vice president of advertising, also asserted, “I have seen all of the Russian ads and I can say very definitively that swaying the election was *NOT* the main goal.”

17 Feb
Rob Goldman@robjective

Very excited to see the Mueller indictment today. We shared Russian ads with Congress, Mueller and the American people to help the public understand how the Russians abused our system. Still, there are keys facts about the Russian actions that are still not well understood.

Rob Goldman@robjective


Most of the coverage of Russian meddling involves their attempt to effect the outcome of the 2016 US election. I have seen all of the Russian ads and I can say very definitively that swaying the election was *NOT* the main goal.
8:57 AM - Feb 17, 2018

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CNN’s harassment of private citizens as a consequence of their Trump Derangement Syndrome is nothing new.

Last year, the news network threatened to reveal the identity of the man who created the infamous Trump/CNN wrestling meme that was tweeted by the president, asserting, “CNN reserves the right to publish his identity” if the individual failed to display enough remorse.

Charming...

https://www.infowars.com/cnn-shows-u...ian-collusion/