Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin had a previously undisclosed hour-long meeting at the Group of 20 summit in Germany - NZ Herald

Trump goes to the G20 under the shadow of the whole 'Russian thing'. All he has to do is make sure that no bad optics came of it...

You had one job, Donald. One job.

^ With no other American present to corroborate what was said.....

Amazingly stupid. World class stupid.

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Amazingly stupid. World class stupid.

Boggles the mind doesn't it.

It's so stupid, so ill-advised and ridiculous, that you actually start to think that it might be affected and it's actually all part of some genius Machiavellian plan to appear stupid to lull opponents into a false sense of security.

And then you realise no, it's just stupid. Just plain 'ole run-of-the-mill garden variety stupid.

Originally Posted by Humbert

The real stupid is now saying that he will just let Obamacare die thereby totally divorcing himself from his promises and possibly throwing sick people off of coverage entirely,

Obamacare was going to die eventually or bankrupt too many people and companies the way it was structured

Americans are really stuck in a hard place, you can't expect Republicans to fix it, but Democrats could try to find a solution to fix it and get the help of Trump in the process, he would work with them.

But of course the Dems are too stupid and too busy chasing Russians under his bed

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by Humbert

The real stupid is now saying that he will just let Obamacare die thereby totally divorcing himself from his promises and possibly throwing sick people off of coverage entirely,

Obamacare was going to die eventually or bankrupt too many people and companies the way it was structured

Obamacare was going to die as soon as Rubio engineered the subsidies during its nascent years to be pulled.

It was sabotaged from day one.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Americans are really stuck in a hard place, you can't expect Republicans to fix it, but Democrats could try to find a solution to fix it and get the help of Trump in the process, he would work with them.

What's wrong with Obamacare can be fixed. Other things that Sanders is talking about can be included. Trump's negativity is causing providers to lose confidence in the future of Obamacare. He is as responsible as anyone for it's demise. It will not die quickly so something needs to be done.

Furthermore to your point Democrats were not included in any meetings. Maybe it's time for Trump to show some actual leadership and bring both Democrats and Republicans together to try and hammer out some bipartisan agreements instead of pandering to the 36% of the electorate that represent his base.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It was sabotaged from day one.

it was, and Obama let it be sabotaged, what a silly thing to do

Originally Posted by Humbert

Trump's negativity is causing providers to lose confidence in the future of Obamacare. He is as responsible as anyone for it's demise. It will not die quickly so something needs to be done. Furthermore to your point Democrats were not included in any meetings.

you really like to rewrite history, don't you ?

Trump was quite frank about it from the start, and alarming everyone of the risks, instead of trying to play it down and cover it up like the Obama team did. He was a vocal critic of it, and thank god he did. Now you could question his style in doing so, and yes he was combative and unconstructive.

as for the Dems being excluded and the negativity. That's rich when you sore losers from Day 1 tried to exclude him from a legitimate presidency and has been accusing him of everything under the sun. Being hysterical about "fake" Russians allegations and create negative campains against Trump with the silly Russian angle is not really providing a bi-partisan working environment to solve a key legislature greatly needed for all Americans.

You guys on both sides are just sad and desperate, but very entertaining

Originally Posted by Humbert

It will not die quickly so something needs to be done.

It is not dying and the fixes are pretty easy. For example mandating insurers to provide coverage state wide and not just picking and choosing what counties that they provide coverage. If you want to do business in a specific state you have to provide blanket coverage.

Also limiting the insurance companies from raising fees. In my state insurers have billions of dollars in reserve yet they are still raising rates. They should be held accountable for this.

Just those two things would make a huge difference. Republicans still will not bother. The truth is they could fucking careless about people suffering unless those people are rich oligarchs.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

as for the Dems being excluded and the negativity. That's rich when you sore losers from Day 1 tried to exclude him from a legitimate presidency and has been accusing him of everything under the sun. Being hysterical about "fake" Russians allegations and create negative campains against Trump with the silly Russian angle is not really providing a bi-partisan working environment to solve a key legislature greatly needed for all Americans.
You guys on both sides are just sad and desperate, but very entertaining

He's president and so far he has shown no leadership. Only petty vindictiveness toward those that criticize and disagree with him. The Russian angle is bi-partisan and the only one lying and obstructing is Donald J. Trump and the problems he has are of his own making because of this.

the petty investigation is not accomplishing anything, so how can you create a real constructive environment when the legislative body is working against the executive body ?

Obamacare is fucked and will die a slow painful death, all thanks to the Republicans AND the Democrats

and where is the Democrat leadership to show the President the way to accomplish things ? he is not a politician, doesn't understand what a state man is and what a state leader should be.

again you guys are like 2 clans of dominating monkeys fighting for feces in their cage

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

and where is the Democrat leadership to show the President the way to accomplish things ? he is not a politician, doesn't understand what a state man is and what a state leader should be.

The job description of opposition politicians doesn't include 'babysit massive orange babies that are temperamentally and otherwise unqualified for the office of POTUS'.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

The job description of opposition politicians doesn't include 'babysit massive orange babies that are temperamentally and otherwise unqualified for the office of POTUS'.

they did it in the past, remember that other baby, GW Bush, a clueless leader posturing as a leader ?

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

he is not a politician, doesn't understand what a state man is and what a state leader should be.

He certainly presented himself as the great deal maker didn't he? Now you use the clueless excuse. Jesus wept.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

remember that other baby, GW Bush

Drumpf makes GW look like a Mensa club member.

Originally Posted by Slick

Sp you're saying I'm worse off than I would be with HRC?

if you get paid in USD and do not reside full time in the US , then yes

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by Slick

Sp you're saying I'm worse off than I would be with HRC?

if you get paid in USD and do not reside full time in the US , then yes

Go on. You talking about the 30 cent drop against the baht?

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

You can't expect Republicans to fix it, but Democrats could try to find a solution to fix it and get the help of Trump in the process, he would work with them.

Probably should have tried to make an effort to fix the system instead of barfing up some worthless dogshit over two weeks. Granted, this was the Republican leadership plan more than Trump. Still very stupid of Trump to go along with it. Looked like a spectator for the entire process, and never bothered to even discuss broad themes of what the bill should look like, which is normally where the President has a fair amount of leverage.

Originally Posted by Humbert

He certainly presented himself as the great deal maker didn't he? Now you use the clueless excuse. Jesus wept.

right, and you believed him ?

all those candidates are incompetent, only the tenure of the office will mold their leadership. A bit hard for now with Trump, he is a slow learner

Originally Posted by redhaze

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

You can't expect Republicans to fix it, but Democrats could try to find a solution to fix it and get the help of Trump in the process, he would work with them.

Probably should have tried to make an effort to fix the system instead of barfing up some worthless dogshit over two weeks. Granted, this was the Republican leadership plan more than Trump. Still very stupid of Trump to go along with it. Looked like a spectator for the entire process, and never bothered to even discuss broad themes of what the bill should look like, which is normally where the President has a fair amount of leverage.

IIRC, he was going to repeal and replace on day one. He was also going to start work on "The Wall"/fence/big glass window on day one. And wasn't he going to start investigating Hillary on day one as well?

I think he went and played golf instead.

Originally Posted by Slick

Go on. You talking about the 30 cent drop against the baht?

drop against everywhere - SGD , AUD , CAD

drumpf has cost me

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I think he went and played golf instead.

and you blame him for it ? thank god he did

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Americans are really stuck in a hard place, you can't expect Republicans to fix it, but Democrats could try to find a solution to fix it and get the help of Trump in the process, he would work with them.

What's wrong with Obamacare can be fixed. Other things that Sanders is talking about can be included. Trump's negativity is causing providers to lose confidence in the future of Obamacare. He is as responsible as anyone for it's demise. It will not die quickly so something needs to be done.

Furthermore to your point Democrats were not included in any meetings. Maybe it's time for Trump to show some actual leadership and bring both Democrats and Republicans together to try and hammer out some bipartisan agreements instead of pandering to the 36% of the electorate that represent his base.

so what is the solution that the dims have? anything to present to the voters? this is why you lost and why you will lose in 2018. this is a big issue, unlike 'teh russians'.