Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by OhOh

One doesn't need to know anymore, it would be superfluous to enable one to make a decision on the evidence, made by the public announcement by CISCO.

No, you have to understand more, the difference between internal and external is good to know.

Originally Posted by OhOh

The switches problem announced 2 weeks ago seem to be internal network switches.
No news on the vulnerability of their external internet backbone devices.

still possible that a nice PDF trojan horse delived to anyone within the internal network could have a loaded package that would go through the whole internal network and exploit the security holes found on CISCO switches

that's how they did it for hacking Iranian nuclear plants through the Iranian ministry foreign office

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by OhOh

One doesn't need to know anymore, it would be superfluous to enable one to make a decision on the evidence, made by the public announcement by CISCO.

No, you have to understand more, the difference between internal and external is good to know.

Originally Posted by OhOh

The switches problem announced 2 weeks ago seem to be internal network switches.
No news on the vulnerability of their external internet backbone devices.

still possible that a nice PDF trojan horse delived to anyone within the internal network could have a loaded package that would go through the whole internal network and exploit the security holes found on CISCO switches

that's how they did it for hacking Iranian nuclear plants through the Iranian ministry foreign office

Not true I'm afraid, but I wouldn't expect you to have much of a clue anyway.

The Siemens PLCs that controlled the centrifuges were on an isolated network.

Stuxnet used USB drives as the infection vector.

It's funny how butterbutt always ends up looking silly.

Originally Posted by Cujo

It's funny how butterbutt always ends up looking silly.

He's like longway...just here to get a reaction....

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Originally Posted by Cujo

It's funny how butterbutt always ends up looking silly.

He's just here to get a reaction....

Odd how when the 'reaction' so often includes showing him up as an idiot that he never seems discouraged though.

Oh well.

Originally Posted by Cujo

It's funny how butterbutt always ends up looking silly.

What do you mean "ends up"?

Trump ex-campaign chief Manafort to face intelligence committee

US President Donald Trump's ex-campaign chief has agreed to be interviewed by a panel investigating alleged links between the Trump team and Russia.

The chairman of the House intelligence committee, Devin Nunes, told reporters that Paul Manafort had voluntarily offered to speak to the panel.

more Trump ex-campaign chief Manafort to face intelligence committee - BBC News


Wonder if he will do better under questioning from CBS about his and Trump's Russian connections than before.





Shady character, this man.

If Trump and associates are so innocent, why are they trying to hide information from the public? If this is a "conspiracy," then why doesn't Nunes and the White House open everything up for all to see what exactly what is going on?


Adam Schiff slams intel chair Devin Nunes for caving to White House and canceling key Russia hearing


Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) unleashed a blistering attack on his colleague, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA), for cancelling a major public hearing on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

During a press conference on Friday, Schiff said Nunes made a “serious mistake” by cancelling the open session that had been planned for this coming Tuesday that was set to feature former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

Schiff then slammed Nunes for doing a “dead-of-night” review of documents related to surveillance of President Donald Trump’s associates — and then running to share their contents with the White House before even notifying his own colleagues on the House Intelligence Committee.

“We don’t welcome cutting off access to public information,” he said.

Schiff also said that there was likely some “pushback” from the White House that caused Nunes to want to cancel the open hearing.

On Twitter, Schiff also accused the GOP of trying to “choke off” information on the Russia probe from the public.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/ada...ussia-hearing/

Inadvertent surveillance of Trump transition team raises far-reaching questions
David S. Cloud

The disclosure by Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Tulare), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, that communications by Trump transition members were inadvertently picked up by U.S. surveillance legally collecting foreign intelligence raises questions that are likely to consume Congress and the White House for months.

Among them:

Who in the Trump transition team was captured by the surveillance? That's not clear. Nunes gave no names other than to say it was possible that then-President-elect Trump might have been mentioned in classified intelligence reports written at the time. Numerous transition officials could have communicated with foreign ambassadors or others in the United States who were under court-authorized surveillance for counter-intelligence purposes — and thus inadvertently, but legally, had their communications monitored by U.S. intelligence. White House Chief of Staff Reince Preibus, White House aide Stephen Miller, Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and Trump’s adult children all played formal roles in Trump’s transition, along with many other Trump associates and former government officials. Nunes himself was a member of the transition executive committee.

Who were Trump transition members talking to? Again, Nunes didn’t say, except to note that the surveillance was not part of an ongoing FBI investigation into whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Russian authorities who were meddling in the election. In addition to foreign diplomats or other obvious contacts, the U.S. intelligence dragnet could include almost any person in the U.S. under court-approved surveillance who was in contact with transition officials or who claimed to have been in contact with Trump transition members.

What were they talking about? Again, Nunes didn’t say. But it's most likely that the classified intelligence reports that Nunes cited discussed either attempts to influence the incoming Trump administration or policy changes that a foreign government was considering in response to Trump’s election. It’s also possible that the surveillance picked up discussions about business deals, though that is unlikely to generate intelligence reports unless the communications suggested a crime was being committed.

Was the surveillance done under a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant? Nunes said it was, which suggests that the communications occurred between Trump transition officials and other people in the U.S, not overseas, since the National Security Agency doesn't need a warrant to conduct eavesdropping overseas.

What are the requirements for obtaining a FISA warrant? The FBI asks a special federal court that conducts its proceedings in secret for such a warrant when it has reason to believe that someone in the U.S. is acting as an agent of a foreign power — in the worst-case scenario, conducting espionage against the U.S. But its also possible to get FISA warrants to intercept routine communications by ambassadors and other foreign officials in the U.S., which seems to be how Trump’s former national security advisor, Mike Flynn, was detected on phone calls with Russia’s ambassador last year.

Aren’t the identities of U.S. persons who are picked up inadvertently by surveillance supposed to be protected under the FISA law? Yes. But senior intelligence officials can decide to include their names or other identifying information in classified intelligence reports if they believe that doing so is important for understanding the intelligence, or if it shows clear evidence of a potential crime. This process, known as unmasking, could have happened with the Trump transition team. Nunes said it had, but Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Burbank) said that in most cases he had been told the identities were not unmasked but were obvious. So far, Flynn is the only member of Trump's team who is known to have been picked up by the surveillance.

How did Nunes get the information? He said he got it from intelligence sources but did not identify them.

Does this mean President Trump was correct to claim on Twitter that he was wiretapped by President Obama? No. There is no evidence of a wiretap at Trump Tower and the intercepts were not aimed at Trump or his aides. They were aimed at foreign intelligence targets with whom they apparently were communicating. A president cannot order an FBI wiretap.

What's the impact of all this? At a minimum it has disrupted the House Intelligence Committee's efforts to conduct a bipartisan investigation into Russia's role in the election. Schiff, the ranking Democrat, was furious that Nunes held a news conference and then briefed the president on Wednesday. On Thursday, a committee aide said Nunes had apologized "for not sharing information about the documents he saw with the minority before going public" and that he "pledged to work with them on this issue."

Inadvertent surveillance of Trump transition team raises far-reaching questions - LA Times

I think Nunes has inadvertently screwed over Trump or maybe Trump screwed himself by sending Nunes on this whacky mission to prove Trump right.

Now we know Trump associates were communicating with a foreign individual who was under a legal surveillence.

Which one was it? Who did they communicate with?


Didn't Trump or associates at least phone up Russia and tell them thanks?

Originally Posted by Cujo

, that communications by Trump transition members were inadvertently picked up by U.S. surveillance legally collecting foreign intelligence

priceless, the "dishonesty" of US intelligence has no bounds

oh the nerve

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by Cujo

, that communications by Trump transition members were inadvertently picked up by U.S. surveillance legally collecting foreign intelligence

priceless, the "dishonesty" of US intelligence has no bounds

oh the nerve

I know English isn't your first language so I'll explain for you.
If they have wiretapped somchai the ladyboys phone and you call up enquiring how much he'll charge to let you blow him then even though your phone isn't tapped you'll be found out.

I bet the FBI or whoever were surprised listening to Boris when low and behold who should they find calling but Trump and his gang.

so by your logic, they would have listened to Obama when he was phoning Putin to negotiate diplomatic deals

god, you are a gullible little dog

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

so by your logic, they would have listened to Obama when he was phoning Putin to negotiate diplomatic deals

god, you are a gullible little dog

Only Buttplug could misunderstand things so fucking spectacularly.

Comedy gold.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

so by your logic, they would have listened to Obama when he was phoning Putin to negotiate diplomatic deals

god, you are a gullible little dog

Well Duh. If they had Putin tapped yes of course.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

so by your logic, they would have listened to Obama when he was phoning Putin to negotiate diplomatic deals

The president's phone calls to foreign government personnel are recorded, by the president's staff. They're always listened in on in case there's a question about who said what or perhaps an imperfect translation that leads to a misunderstanding.

Originally Posted by thailazer

With Trump, he will be going down like Pavlo Lazarenko. Likely the investigators are a shell company away from finding his transactions as he was getting out of his casino mess years ago, and with his sanctions pay off. My bet is it involves the Ukrainians as they have always been the hub of the big washing machine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-russian-money

Or perhaps they'll find what happened to the $50 million the orange-faced wanker laundered for Dmitry Rybolovlev.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Or perhaps they'll find what happened to the $50 million the orange-faced wanker laundered for Dmitry Rybolovlev.

Or perhaps what the Russian government paid Manafort for....

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Or perhaps they'll find what happened to the $50 million the orange-faced wanker laundered for Dmitry Rybolovlev.

Or perhaps what the Russian government paid Manafort for....

I think we already know that - and we've seen the results at the Republican convention.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by thailazer

With Trump, he will be going down like Pavlo Lazarenko. Likely the investigators are a shell company away from finding his transactions as he was getting out of his casino mess years ago, and with his sanctions pay off. My bet is it involves the Ukrainians as they have always been the hub of the big washing machine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-russian-money

Or perhaps they'll find what happened to the $50 million the orange-faced wanker laundered for Dmitry Rybolovlev.

Yep... A good name to keep an eye on.

Yachts of Trump financial backer, Russian oligarch seen together

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

so by your logic, they would have listened to Obama when he was phoning Putin to negotiate diplomatic deals

The president's phone calls to foreign government personnel are recorded, by the president's staff. They're always listened in on in case there's a question about who said what or perhaps an imperfect translation that leads to a misunderstanding.

They also produce a written transcript of each call.
Official calls that is.