Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

Originally Posted by longway

Evidence is stacking up that the dnc files were not hacked, but leaked by an insider. It seems that that the download speeds achieved by the supposed hack are implausible, and are commensurate with data being transferred into a thumb drive.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-...ears-dnc-hack/

“A speed of 22.7 megabytes is simply unobtainable, especially if we are talking about a transoceanic data transfer,” Folden said. “Based on the data we now have, what we’ve been calling a hack is impossible.”

Last week Forensicator reported on a speed test he conducted more recently. It tightens the case considerably. “Transfer rates of 23 MB/s (Mega Bytes per second) are not just highly unlikely, but effectively impossible to accomplish when communicating over the Internet at any significant distance,” he wrote.

“Further, local copy speeds are measured, demonstrating that 23 MB/s is a typical transfer rate when using a USB–2 flash device (thumb drive).”

It's a fucking load of tosh, already been posted.

The idiot is make giant, imaginary leaps in logic over date/time stamps.

Originally Posted by longway

^Just a hastily concocted bit of spin

That is *exactly* what the original article is.

the disciples of the orange jesus should keep this in mind....

while trump is focusing on his north korea, his golf game, charlottesville, his small hands, etc...

robert mueller and his team of 16 top-flight attorneys are focusing only on their investigation.

Oh dear, Mr. Manafort's lawyers might well be considering an immunity deal right now....

The ongoing investigation into whether the President Donald Trump’s campaign colluded with Moscow during the 2016 election gained new traction on Monday, when The Washington Post reported that foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos sent at least six emails during the campaign offering to set up meetings between Trump and Russian leadership.

The first of those emails was sent to seven campaign advisers in March 2016, with the subject line, “Meeting with Russian Leadership – Including Putin.” Papadapoulos’ requests were reportedly met with hesitancy from multiple campaign officials, including retired Navy Rear Adm. Charles Kubic, who voiced concerns about possible legal violations of US sanctions on Russia and the Logan Act, a law against US citizens conducting unauthorised negotiations with foreign governments.

Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager at the time and a current subject in the Russia investigation, also expressed concerns about the proposal and rejected Papadopoulos’ request for a Trump-Putin meeting in May 2016.

Manafort’s rejection stands in contrast to his willingness to accept a meeting with a Russian lawyer weeks later in June, a point Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor, raised after the story broke.

Mariotti wrote that perhaps the most important implication of the news was that “everyone on those emails was aware of the concerns expressed in the emails about meeting with Russians, including Admiral Kubic’s concern about the legality of meeting with [Russians].”

“If anyone on those emails later met with Russians or accepted aid from them,” Mariotti continued, “the prior emails about concerns could be used to indicate that they knew that the meeting was problematic and potentially illegal but nonetheless persisted.”

The meeting Manafort attended in June did not include Trump, but did include Trump’s son, Donald Jr., and son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner. Also present were Natalia Veselnitskaya, a Russian lawyer who has lobbied extensively against the 2012 Magnitsky Act and who some have tied to the Kremlin; Rinat Akhmetshin, a Russian lobbyist and former Soviet military intelligence officer; Russian translator Anatoli Samachornov; and British music publicist Rob Goldstone, who arranged the meeting at the request of Aras and Emin Agalarov, a wealthy Russian family.

‘The legal issues are very similar, if not the same’

One of the main differences between the two meetings that could account for Manafort’s rejection of one and acceptance of the other is that Papadapoulos’ meeting was “pitched as a Trump-level meeting,” said Andrew Wright, an associate professor at Savannah Law School.

In one email sent to former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowki in April 2016, Papadopoulos said he had gotten “a lot of calls over the past month” about how “Putin wants to host the Trump team when the time is right.”

Papadopoulos followed up on May 4, when he sent Lewandowki and campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis a message he’d received in which Ivan Timofeev, a senior official at the the Russian International Affairs Council, said Russian officials were open to Trump visiting Moscow.

Clovis replied: “There are legal issues we need to mitigate, meeting with foreign officials as a private citizen.”

Papadopoulos later forwarded the message to Manafort, who had just been named Trump’s new campaign manager. “Russia has been eager to meet with Mr. Trump for some time and have been reaching out to me to discuss,” Papadopoulos said, according to the Post.

Manafort forwarded the email to an associate and said, “We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips.” Gates and Manafort then agreed to have someone else handle the response, indicating that it did not require a reply from a senior official like Manafort.

Papadapoulos — a lower level campaign aide who told campaign officials he was acting as an intermediary for the Russian government — proposing a Trump-Putin meeting is “a very different calculus” than the president’s son suggesting a meeting with a Russian lawyer, Wright said, and that may have factored into Manafort’s decision-making, leading him to reject Papadopoulos’ proposed meeting and accept Trump Jr.’s.

Still, he added, “the legal issues” between the two meetings “are very similar, if not the same,” as far as possible violations of the Logan Act and US sanctions against Russia go.

‘Devastating evidence in a trial’

Manafort’s spokesperson told the Post that Papadopoulos’ email chain is “concrete evidence that the Russia collusion narrative is fake news.”

“Mr. Manafort’s swift action reflects the attitude of the campaign — any invitation by Russia, directly or indirectly, would be rejected outright,” his spokesperson, Jason Maloni, said.

However, the meeting Manafort attended last June with Trump Jr. and Veselnitskaya was described as being “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Manafort was presumably aware of that fact, since he was copied on the email chain in which details of the meeting were provided to Trump Jr. by Goldstone, the music publicist who first requested the meeting.

“If you’re Paul Manafort and your defence is to say, ‘I didn’t think taking this meeting was a problem,’ and then you have the prosecutor showing the jury emails that were sent a month earlier where people are raising precisely those same legal concerns — that’s such devastating evidence in a trial,” Wright said.

Mariotti agreed.

“I expect those earlier emails to be used against Manafort, who is already in the hot seat after the FBI executed a search warrant at his home,” he wrote, referring to Papadopoulos’ correspondence. “Although Manafort’s lawyer suggests that the emails exonerate him, they appear problematic in light of the later meeting.”

Manafort has come under increased public scrutiny in recent days, especially after it was reported last week that the FBI conducted a predawn raid on his home in July.

FBI agents working with special counsel Robert Mueller left Manafort’s home “with various records,” according to The Post, which first reported the story.

Manafort has been cooperating with investigators’ requests for relevant documents. But the search warrant obtained by the FBI in July indicates that Mueller managed to convince a federal judge that Manafort would try to conceal or destroy documents subpoenaed by a grand jury.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/t...anafort-2017-8

Originally Posted by raycarey

robert mueller and his team of 16 top-flight attorneys are focusing only on their investigation.

With their unlimited budget on the taxpayer dime, it is unlikely they will be in any kind of hurry!

KIEV, Ukraine — The hacker, known only by his online alias “Profexer,” kept a low profile. He wrote computer code alone in an apartment and quietly sold his handiwork on the anonymous portion of the internet known as the dark web. Last winter, he suddenly went dark entirely. Profexer’s posts, already accessible only to a small band of fellow hackers and cybercriminals looking for software tips, blinked out in January — just days after American intelligence agencies publicly identified a program he had written as one tool used in Russian hacking in the United States. American intelligence agencies have determined Russian hackers were behind the electronic break-in of the Democratic National Committee.

But while Profexer’s online persona vanished, a flesh-and-blood person has emerged: a fearful man who the Ukrainian police said turned himself in early this year, and has now become a witness for the F.B.I. “I don’t know what will happen,” he wrote in one of his last messages posted on a restricted-access website before going to the police. “It won’t be pleasant. But I’m still alive.”

It is the first known instance of a living witness emerging from the arid mass of technical detail that has so far shaped the investigation into the election hacking and the heated debate it has stirred. The Ukrainian police declined to divulge the man’s name or other details, other than that he is living in Ukraine and has not been arrested. There is no evidence that Profexer worked, at least knowingly, for Russia’s intelligence services, but his malware apparently did. That a hacking operation that Washington is convinced was orchestrated by Moscow would obtain malware from a source in Ukraine — perhaps the Kremlin’s most bitter enemy — sheds considerable light on the Russian security services’ modus operandi in what Western intelligence agencies say is their clandestine cyberwar against the United States and Europe.

It does not suggest a compact team of government employees who write all their own code and carry out attacks during office hours in Moscow or St. Petersburg, but rather a far looser enterprise that draws on talent and hacking tools wherever they can be found. Also emerging from Ukraine is a sharper picture of what the United States believes is a Russian government hacking group known as Advanced Persistent Threat 28 or Fancy Bear. It is this group, which American intelligence agencies believe is operated by Russian military intelligence, that has been blamed, along with a second Russian outfit known as Cozy Bear, for the D.N.C. intrusion.

Rather than training, arming and deploying hackers to carry out a specific mission like just another military unit, Fancy Bear and its twin Cozy Bear have operated more as centers for organization and financing; much of the hard work like coding is outsourced to private and often crime-tainted vendors.


Read the full article here;

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/w...g-witness.html

Assange meets U.S. congressman, vows to prove Russia did not leak him documents | TheHill

ohrabacher said, “Julian emphatically stated that the Russians were not involved in the hacking or disclosure of those emails.
Pressed for more detail on the source of the documents, Rohrabacher said he had information to share privately with President Donald Trump.

“Julian also indicated that he is open to further discussions regarding specific information about the DNC email incident that is currently unknown to the public,” he added.

Uh well, there's always...umm... oh you got nothing. hahahaha

smooth move by the dnc, spending all this time bullshitting about russia, instead of formulating policies to present to the us public when the next elections roll around.

maybe you can offer them a definitive tally on the number of genders there are by that time as a consolation

Zero fucks: an estimate of the amount that Mueller gives to what Assange has to say.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by longway

Evidence is stacking up that the dnc files were not hacked, but leaked by an insider. It seems that that the download speeds achieved by the supposed hack are implausible, and are commensurate with data being transferred into a thumb drive.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-...ears-dnc-hack/

“A speed of 22.7 megabytes is simply unobtainable, especially if we are talking about a transoceanic data transfer,” Folden said. “Based on the data we now have, what we’ve been calling a hack is impossible.”

Last week Forensicator reported on a speed test he conducted more recently. It tightens the case considerably. “Transfer rates of 23 MB/s (Mega Bytes per second) are not just highly unlikely, but effectively impossible to accomplish when communicating over the Internet at any significant distance,” he wrote.

“Further, local copy speeds are measured, demonstrating that 23 MB/s is a typical transfer rate when using a USB–2 flash device (thumb drive).”

It's a fucking load of tosh, already been posted.

The idiot is make giant, imaginary leaps in logic over date/time stamps.

It has now been published in a libtard publication, and if libtards are finally accepting the whole thing is made up, its all going to come crashing down pretty soon.

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by longway

Rohrabacher said, “Julian emphatically stated that the Russians were not involved in the hacking or disclosure of those emails.
Pressed for more detail on the source of the documents, Rohrabacher said he had information to share privately with President Donald Trump.

...from wiki: In terms of his positions, Rohrabacher voted to repeal Obamacare, denies man-made global warming, is a staunch opponent of illegal immigration... Although he later insisted he was joking, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy was overheard saying, "There's two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and [Donald] Trump. Swear to God." He was warned in 2012 by the FBI that Russian spies may have been trying to recruit him to act on Russia's behalf, after he met with a member of the Russian foreign ministry privately in Moscow. An article in The Atlantic suggested that there was serious concern in the State Department of ties between Rohrabacher and the Russian government.

...in short, Rohrabacher (R) is a sometimes useful idiot with a deep love and respect for Mother Russia...

Who cares about that guy, its Assange that's the important one in this scenario.

Originally Posted by longway

its Assange that's the important one in this scenario.

Assange is fake news and has been for a long time. More trash from the forum idiot. Just trying to defect attention away from my post that shows the FBI has a Ukrainian hacker who is spilling the beans. It has been a bad week for you and your master hasn't it longway from reality.

Originally Posted by longway

Who cares about that guy,

*cough* He's the Republican congressman who (supposedly) took it upon himself to kneel before Assange and relay his important message to the "president"...another naive, befogged tRump supporter...elected by the handicapped to keep America free...

Its just fake news for retards.

Originally Posted by longway

It has now been published in a libtard publication, and if libtards are finally accepting the whole thing is made up, its all going to come crashing down pretty soon.

Don't you worry your little head over it, Mueller has people for that.

And they aren't idiots like you and the other morons that are too stupid to understand what bullshit it is.

Wrongway actually thinks Mueller's investigation will stop in it's tracks because of Assange...

Ty Cobb thinks it will be over quickly...

White House lawyer Cobb predicts quick end to Mueller probe | Reuters

When is Ty getting back to basebol?

They will drag it on and milk this one into the dust, and then the joke will be on them.
The DNC will be in complete and utter shambles.

This bullsheeit partisan Russia investigation is like rolling out the red magic carpet for Trump's 2020 re-election.

Not a source I usually read, The Spectator, but this is an interesting item, particularly starting with the 11th paragraph regarding Felix Sater.


Forget Charlottesville – Russia is still the true Trump scandal

The National Enquirer presented Trump watchers with a mystery last week. Why did it print an attack on Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort? A headline screamed: ‘Trump advisor sex scandal — Paul Manafort’s sick affair.’ A 68-year-old man’s alleged dalliance with a ‘hottie half his age’ might seem a trivial subject to discuss as the US convulses over the issue of race once again, this time after a white supremacist killed a woman protester in Charlottesville, Virginia. President Trump has electrified supporters and opponents alike by siding with those who want to keep the town’s statue of the Confederate general, Robert E. Lee.

And sex, politics and celebrity are the Enquirer’s usual stock-in-trade. Recent ‘bombshell world exclusives’ include ‘Supreme court justice Scalia — murdered by a hooker’ (she was ‘hired by the CIA to inject poison into his buttocks’) and ‘Clinton sex romp caught on video!’about Bill being filmed ‘having steamy sex in a pickup truck with a department store clerk’.

But the Enquirer is a Trump ally, owned by a rich friend. It was one of the few national publications to predict his victory in last year’s presidential election. Why now a hit piece on the one man he must surely need to keep onside in the Russia investigation? One answer: Manafort has been ‘flipped’.

Reports in US publications say it was Manafort who told the FBI about a meeting between Trump’s eldest son, Donald Jr, and a Russian lawyer linked to the Kremlin. That would be terrible news for the President if true: the FBI’s investigation into alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia now being assisted by the manager of that campaign.

Manafort’s spokesman denies it, and the evidence as to whether he is trying to save his own skin at Trump’s expense remains ambiguous. The FBI carried out a dawn raid at Manafort’s home in Virginia last week; why was that necessary if he is a cooperating witness? Perhaps he has given up some information, but not all. The Enquirer story could be interpreted as a dead fish left on his doorstep (the traditional Sicilian warning that things could get very bad if you sing).


‘If’, ‘could’, ‘perhaps’, ‘reports’, ‘alleged’ — most stories about the US President and Russia are nailed together with such words. The specifics of the ‘collusion’ allegation are claims that the Trump campaign told Russian intelligence which Democrats to hack, and then worked together with them to make sure that WikiLeaks, Fox, Breitbart and Russia Today all left the resulting dirty laundry flapping in the wind. In fairness to President Trump, it must be pointed out that so far no evidence has emerged to prove such a treasonous conspiracy. The few things we do know are open to wildly different interpretations.

Take Donald Jr’s meeting with the Russian lawyer. He admits its purpose was to get dirt on Hillary from the Russian government. This undid months of denials during which the White House often sounded like a shocked and offended maiden aunt accused of debauchery with the pool boy. (‘Trump denies sick affair with barechested Russian stud!) Other details of the meeting seem to help the White House. A jaunty, vulgar British PR man named Rob Goldstone was the unlikely intermediary. You might think that his help would hardly have been needed if there really were a backchannel to the Kremlin in June last year. On the other hand, such baroque arrangements might be the kind of thing that intelligence services go in for. For years, the intermediary between MI6 and the IRA was the owner of a Londonderry chip shop, Brendan Duddy.

It is the same with the intercepts of Trump’s people talking to the Russians, the subject of so much feverish speculation in Washington. There is no single conversation revealing a grand conspiracy — at least according to two members of the ‘intelligence community’ who have seen the top-secret material. However, a third source told me: ‘There is a conspiracy in the SIGINT [signals intelligence] — just not in one or two intercepts. Hence no literal “smoking gun”. But cumulatively…’ This SIGINT is mostly said to be what is termed ‘reflections’; that is others talking about the relationship between Team Trump and Moscow. Some of the calls are said to involve senior Kremlin officials: ‘By itself, not enough for indictments but a disturbing picture.’ Other sources have told me there have still been a suspiciously large number of direct contacts between Trump’s people and various Russians: ‘Dozens.’

A vague outline of the truth is starting to emerge from the fog. It is that the Russians made continual attempts to get close to Trump and his associates, part of what the US intelligence agencies all agree was a Kremlin plot to subvert the election. Trump’s supporters believe that any such approaches never went anywhere (as Jr says happened with his meeting) or that the tough New York property developer from The Apprentice was playing the Russians without being played himself. Trump’s enemies, believing him to be a man with no moral compass, imagine he was only too eager to take whatever was being offered: information; weird sex in a Moscow hotel room; money, lots of it, for his businesses.

This is why it is so important that the FBI investigation, led by a special counsel, Robert Mueller, now appears to be reaching back into Trump’s business past. Mueller’s team of prosecutors includes a number of experts in money-laundering and New York real estate. The US media is speculating that he is trying to build an old-fashioned wire fraud, tax evasion and racketeering case against Trump. This is a neuralgic issue for the President. In a New York Times interview he agreed that any investigation of his finances was a ‘red line’ Mueller should not cross. ‘I would say yeah. I would say yes. By the way, I would say, I don’t — I don’t — I mean, it’s possible there’s a condo or something, so, you know, I sell a lot of condo units, and somebody from Russia buys a condo, who knows?’ Trump’s most recent partner in ‘selling a lot of condos’ was a man called Felix Sater. Sater was once jailed for stabbing a man in the face with the broken stem of a martini glass. He was convicted of a massive stock fraud — a partnership between the Russian and Italian-American mafias — but stayed out of jail by becoming an FBI informant.

For several weeks there have been rumours that Sater is ready to rat again, agreeing to help Mueller. ‘He has told family and friends he knows he and POTUS are going to prison,’ someone talking to Mueller’s investigators informed me. Sater himself added fuel to this fire when he told New York magazine last week: ‘In about the next 30 to 35 days, I will be the most colourful character you have ever talked about. Unfortunately, I can’t talk about it now, before it happens. And believe me, it ain’t anything as small as whether or not they’re gonna call me to the Senate committee.’

Sater and Manafort together would pose a deadly threat to Trump’s presidency if they testify that Russian money in his businesses led to information being exchanged with Russian intelligence. This is exactly the relationship — an ‘exchange running between them for at least eight years’ — that the former MI6 officer Christopher Steele described in his ‘dossier’. At a news conference this week at his New Jersey golf club, the President bizarrely asserted that the Steele dossier had been paid for by Russia in order to damage him. This is the latest twist in Trump’s response to the dossier, which began with flat denials in January that he had been filmed by Russian intelligence with prostitutes in a Moscow hotel room.

That remains unproven. Nevertheless, Steele is not the only source. I heard of Russian kompromat — compromising material — on Trump from two sources months before the Steele dossier came to light. That might be evidence for Trump’s statement that Russian intelligence, as well as the US agencies, are out to get him. There are, though, reports of witnesses in the hotel who corroborate Steele’s reporting. These include an American who’s said to have seen a row with hotel security over whether the (alleged) hookers would be allowed up to Trump’s suite. The dossier’s account of hookers in a Moscow hotel room was the subject of gossip among a select group of journalists, politicians, and intelligence people for months before it was published. Now, claims are circulating of more tapes showing even more extreme behaviour. Expect these allegations to emerge in due course.

Some Republicans in Congress are tiring of the Trump reality show, a mix of The Sopranos and the Kardashians. The Mueller inquiry plods along relentlessly but prosecuting a president is a political decision. Reckless as ever, the President has tweeted criticism of the Senate’s Republican leader, Mitch McConnell, whose help he will need if Mueller finds anything damning. The President’s ordinary supporters don’t care. They fear that they are losing their country — this was an election above all about race; all else is trivia to them, an Enquirer headline.

Even if all the allegations are shown to be true, Trump will simply emerge as the person they supposed him to be when they voted for him.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/...trump-scandal/

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So much hot air, to fill all those "nothingburgers".

Ya would think them libtards would be more concerned about GW and CC

Polar icecaps are melting, by the jeebus!

Originally Posted by misskit

The President’s ordinary supporters don’t care. They fear that they are losing their country — this was an election above all about race; all else is trivia to them, an Enquirer headline.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

So much hot air, to fill all those "nothingburgers".

QED...

Exclusive: Top Trump aide's email draws new scrutiny in Russia inquiry

Washington (CNN)Congressional investigators have unearthed an email from a top Trump aide that referenced a previously unreported effort to arrange a meeting last year between Trump campaign officials and Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to sources with direct knowledge of the matter.

The aide, Rick Dearborn, who is now President Donald Trump's deputy chief of staff, sent a brief email to campaign officials last year relaying information about an individual who was seeking to connect top Trump officials with Putin, the sources said.
The person was only identified in the email as being from "WV," which one source said was a reference to West Virginia. It's unclear who the individual is, what he or she was seeking, or whether Dearborn even acted on the request. One source said that the individual was believed to have had political connections in West Virginia, but details about the request and who initiated it remain vague.

While many details around the Dearborn email are unclear, its existence suggests the Russians may have been looking for another entry point into the Trump campaign to see if there were any willing partners as part of their effort to discredit -- and ultimately defeat -- Hillary Clinton.

more Exclusive: Top Trump aide's email draws new scrutiny in Russia inquiry - CNNPolitics

Drip...drip...drip. It just isn't going away is it.

No matter how hard the trumpanzees stomp their feet it isn't going away.

Snub, it does not say anything.

^ Why must you be such an idiot?