Thread: Mueller's Russian Interference investigation

i realize those are rhetorical questions, but included in the documents mueller can demand are trump's tax returns.

Mueller is like a dog with two dicks.

Or rather two grand juries.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller has tapped multiple grand juries, including juries in Washington, D.C. and Virginia, in an effort to gather evidence in the ongoing federal investigation into Russia's meddling in the U.S. presidential election, three sources familiar with the matter told NBC News.

Mueller Using Grand Juries in Va. and D.C. in Trump Russia Probe - NBC News

The White House is a crime scene.
Again sorry I can't cut and paste the text.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...d-trump-russia

Originally Posted by Cujo

The White House is a crime scene.
Again sorry I can't cut and paste the text.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...d-trump-russia

So, this very expensive investigation will draw on for a very long time,with the resources and the broad brush Mueller has at his disposal, it is more than likely some type of crime will be uncovered. I think the broader question is,what will really be the final outcome. Other than satisfying the deep hatred of the person Donald Trump what consequences will anyone have to pay. It seems,at least with the majority here at Teakdoor would prefer the demise of Trump,but what can that possibly mean. Yes Trump could end up being impeached leaving Pence at the helm but with the power of the sitting president to commute any type of punishment to anyone convicted America very well could be left with a true Evangelical Christian republican at the helm and all the old cast could ride off into the sunset to live very happy and content lives. Would there be any real advantage to the Democratic Party out of this scenario?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by Cujo

The White House is a crime scene.
Again sorry I can't cut and paste the text.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...d-trump-russia

So, this very expensive investigation will draw on for a very long time,with the resources and the broad brush Mueller has at his disposal, it is more than likely some type of crime will be uncovered. I think the broader question is,what will really be the final outcome. Other than satisfying the deep hatred of the person Donald Trump what consequences will anyone have to pay. It seems,at least with the majority here at Teakdoor would prefer the demise of Trump,but what can that possibly mean. Yes Trump could end up being impeached leaving Pence at the helm but with the power of the sitting president to commute any type of punishment to anyone convicted America very well could be left with a true Evangelical Christian republican at the helm and all the old cast could ride off into the sunset to live very happy and content lives. Would there be any real advantage to the Democratic Party out of this scenario?

If they are criminals, they need to be punished.

If you remember how well the US took Ford's pardon, you can probably predict the outcome.

Same names but more details emerging....

https://newrepublic.com/article/1435...rime-syndicate

Originally Posted by thailazer

Same names but more details emerging....

https://newrepublic.com/article/1435...rime-syndicate

Wow.!

The Trump Taj Mahal, the Atlantic City casino that the real estate mogul built for $1.2 billion in 1990, went for 4 cents on the dollar when it was sold in March (2017). Documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Tuesday revealed the price that billionaire Carl Icahn got from Hard Rock International for the shuttered casino: $50 million. The sale was publicized at the time, though the purchase price wasn’t.

Trump's 8th Wonder of the World Sold for 4 Cents on the Dollar/

In 2015, the Taj Mahal was fined $10 million—the highest penalty ever levied by the feds against a casino—and admitted to having “willfully violated” anti-money-laundering regulations for years.

Trump - Russian Mob's Financial Laundering Machine

So basically the Russians used him to launder money and that's how he's made his money.

'I know it's crazy, the former New Jersey casino owner and Manhattan real estate magnate that has been bankrupted four times and had a fake university that settled a $25m fraud lawsuit might have some shady financial dealings'

- Seth Myers

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Originally Posted by CSFFan

The Trump Taj Mahal, the Atlantic City casino that the real estate mogul built for $1.2 billion in 1990, went for 4 cents on the dollar when it was sold in March (2017). Documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Tuesday revealed the price that billionaire Carl Icahn got from Hard Rock International for the shuttered casino: $50 million. The sale was publicized at the time, though the purchase price wasn’t.

Trump's 8th Wonder of the World Sold for 4 Cents on the Dollar/

In 2015, the Taj Mahal was fined $10 million—the highest penalty ever levied by the feds against a casino—and admitted to having “willfully violated” anti-money-laundering regulations for years.

Trump - Russian Mob's Financial Laundering Machine

So basically the Russians used him to launder money and that's how he's made his money.

You don't think that Putin lackey wanted that Florida mansion *that* badly, do you?

Trump campaign hands over documents in Russia investigation

President Trump’s campaign and several of its key associates have reportedly begun handing over documents to the Senate Judiciary Committee for its probe into Russia’s election interference.

A spokesperson for the committee told Bloomberg that the campaign sent over more than 20,000 pages worth of documents on Aug. 2.

Paul Manafort, who at one point served was Trump’s campaign chairman, turned over 400 pages on the same day, the report said.

Donald Trump Jr., who has been at the center of the controversy surrounding the campaign’s meeting with a Russian lawyer who promised harmful information about Hillary Clinton, on Aug. 4 gave the committee 250 pages of documents.

The committee requested documents related to any efforts to gain information about Clinton, the meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, and any coordinated efforts between Trump campaign staff members and Russian associates seeking to interfere in the election.

Trump campaign hands over documents in Russia investigation | TheHill



That is an awful lot of documents for things the White House didn't know anything about.

And they still have to hand over documents to Mueller....

Originally Posted by RPETER65

the demise of Trump,but what can that possibly mean.

the cnut is told emphatically that he is a liar and a thief and the IRS fcuks him with a chandelier and puts him in a cell next to maldoff

It seems like Mueller is starting to knock on doors...

FBI agents raided the Alexandria home of President Trump’s former campaign chairman late last month, using a search warrant to seize documents and other materials, according to people familiar with the special counsel investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

Federal agents appeared at Paul Manafort’s home without advance warning in the predawn hours of July 26, the day after he met voluntarily with the staff for the Senate Intelligence Committee.

The search warrant was wide-ranging and FBI agents working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III departed the home with various records. Jason Maloni, a spokesman for Manafort, confirmed that agents executed a warrant at one of the political consultant’s homes and that Manafort cooperated with the search.

Manafort has been voluntarily producing documents to congressional committees investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election. The search warrant indicates investigators may have argued to a federal judge they had reason to believe Manafort could not be trusted to turn over all records in response to a grand jury subpoena.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.45ebb00de310

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Federal agents appeared at Paul Manafort’s home without advance warning in the predawn hours of July 26, the day after he met voluntarily with the staff for the Senate Intelligence Committee.

sounds like a great 24 hours.

The search warrant indicates investigators may have argued to a federal judge they had reason to believe Manafort could not be trusted to turn over all records in response to a grand jury subpoena.

I would say the search warrant says that they convinced a federal judge that he can't be trusted.

They will likely find Manafort guilty on some charge and then let him be the witness that spills ALL the beans. He probably knows a lot more than he is letting on.

Blumenthal: ‘No question’ evidence connects Manafort with criminal wrongdoing

Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said on Wednesday that the FBI's raid on former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's home directly connects Manafort to evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the ongoing investigation of alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 presidential election.

"Apparently there is now no question of clear evidence connecting Paul Manafort to some criminal wrong doing," Blumenthal said in a statement.

more Blumenthal: ?No question? evidence connects Manafort with criminal wrongdoing | TheHill



Why would these people have any evidence left if they knew they were under investigation for months? Don't understand why they would hold on to anything which could send them to prison.

Originally Posted by CSFFan

It seems like Mueller is starting to knock on doors...

This is very big and changes everything. To get a search warrant you have to have evidence that a crime was committed there.

So much for the nothing burger eh?

highlights from a very interesting article from bloomberg about trump's legal team and what they're up against...

As Mueller adds experienced prosecutors and broadens his investigation, Trump’s legal team still appears disorganized and understaffed. An army of well-paid lawyers would help the president get in front of the investigation: preparing responses to allegations before hearing about them from prosecutors or reporters, anticipating where Mueller is going, and developing a counternarrative to stymie him. Junior staffers could spend all night researching case law or obstruction of justice and conspiracy statutes; they could be available at a moment’s notice to draft pleadings challenging Mueller’s requests to interview witnesses or gather documents.

Instead, Trump’s defense has been almost entirely reactive—responding to the latest bombshell report with uninformed statements by surrogates. The strategy adopted by those close to Trump, if not his legal team, has been to try to discredit Mueller’s investigation by pointing out potential conflicts of interest or political biases that may exist among his investigators. “I don’t get any sense that they’re trying to get ahead of anything,” says Don Goldberg, who worked in the White House Counsel’s Office during the Clinton administration. “You wonder about whether the top people at the White House really understand what they’re stepping into.”

Trump’s efforts to enlist the services of a large firm have so far been rebuffed. White-collar experts at three high-powered firms, Sullivan & Cromwell, Steptoe & Johnson, and Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan, have turned him down, say two people familiar with the matter. Some firms had conflicts that prevented them from taking the job; others worried that Trump wouldn’t follow legal advice, potentially damaging their firms’ reputation, two people said.

Mueller, a former FBI director, began assembling a team of fraud and constitutional law experts pulled from his former law firm and the Department of Justice immediately after he was appointed in May. He recently hired his 16th lawyer, former fraud prosecutor Greg Andres, who for the past five years represented Wall Street banks in New York. Trying to deal with Mueller without a high-powered legal operation “is like going to a knife fight with a stick of butter in your hand,” says Nicholas Allard, a former Washington attorney who’s now the dean of Brooklyn Law School. “The team should reflect the importance of what’s at stake, which is nothing less than the future of this presidency.”

Trump, in many ways, acts as his own legal adviser, says the person familiar with the president’s strategy. That’s behavior that Sabrin says she often encountered while representing successful men reluctant to hire competent lawyers. Instead, they’d try and handle it themselves, only to wind up in deeper trouble. Since Trump believes he’s done nothing wrong, she says, he may see it as a sign of weakness to hire a big legal team. Such an attitude is misguided, says Brooklyn Law’s Allard: “The only thing worse than looking guilty because you hire a lawyer is not having a lawyer and being found guilty.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-for-mueller-s

these sort of cases take 5+ years to conclude

and to get a conviction or drumpf anf his family of con artists will require the prosecuters to flip a few of the drumpf confidants

hopefully it will be a democrat prez by the time he is sentenced -

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by CSFFan

It seems like Mueller is starting to knock on doors...

This is very big and changes everything. To get a search warrant you have to have evidence that a crime was committed there.

So much for the nothing burger eh?

You don't need evidence only probable cause.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by CSFFan

It seems like Mueller is starting to knock on doors...

This is very big and changes everything. To get a search warrant you have to have evidence that a crime was committed there.

So much for the nothing burger eh?

You don't need evidence only probable cause.

Or to be more precise:

Police officers obtain search warrants by convincing a neutral and detached magistrate that they have "probable cause" to believe that criminal activity is occurring at the place to be searched or that evidence of a crime may be found there.