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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai
    you just love expressing your "inner bitchy teenager", don't you?

    having a circle jerk (gossiping about a poster) with other posters.

    in case you haven't noticed, the posters who aren't part of your clique don't piggy back on other posters' flames as it's weak.

    your clique are the silly little boys who do that.
    OK.

    But what has any of that got to do with the DNC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Except it is not dodgy. Not at all. Not even a little bit. Can you debunk one piece of it? I will be waiting.
    if you had spent as much time reading about the issues as you do posting about them, you'd know that the mainstream media (ny times, wa post, ec.) refused to publish the steel dossier because they couldn't verify anything in it.

    as you might know the one who ended up releasing it was buzzfeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Except it is not dodgy. Not at all. Not even a little bit. Can you debunk one piece of it? I will be waiting.
    newsweek found "THIRTEEN THINGS THAT DON’T ADD UP IN THE RUSSIA-TRUMP INTELLIGENCE DOSSIER

    Thirteen Things That Don?t Add Up in the Russia-Trump Intelligence Dossier

    Here are 13 things that don’t add up in the Trump-Russia ties report.
    From: “Company Intelligence Report 2016/080” 20 June 2016


    1. “Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by Putin, has been to encourage splits and divisions in the Western alliance.”


    If true, this makes the Russian regime pretty much psychic, since in 2011 there was little hint that Trump would pursue a political career that would take him much further than his campaign to convince Americans that President Barack Obama was not born in the U.S.and therefore was not legally permitted to be president. Five years ago, Trump was recovering from his latest bankruptcy, and concentrating on his reality show The Apprentice and the Miss Universe competition. As for “supporting and assisting” Trump during that time period—indeed Miss Universe was held in a mall in Moscow in 2013. Though Trump later hinted that Putin attended the contest, the Russian President and indeed all top Russian officials stayed home.


    2. “So far TRUMP has declined serious sweetheart real estate business deals offered him in Russia…”

    Really? If Trump declined the deals, why did he push so hard to meet with Russian business leaders after the Miss Universe competition? And why did he try and fail to push his Trump Tower deal in Moscow and St. Petersburg as late as 2013, as reported inNewsweek?


    3. “However he and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on Democratic and other political rivals.”
    A regular flow of intelligence on Clinton? Such as what exactly? Trump may have coined the “Crooked Hillary” and “Lock Her Up” slogans, in relation to Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was Secretary of State—but there’s no evidence that Trump or his campaign used any kind of secret intelligence in their campaign. The controversial online break-ins at the Democratic National Committee, thought to be the work of two Russian hacking groups, APT 28 and APT 29, were communicated to Wikileaks, not to the Trump campaign. And furthermore, the leaked DNC emails didn’t contain anything particularly explosive or damaging.


    4. “Former top Russian intelligence officer claims FSB has compromised TRUMP [whose] conduct in Moscow has included perverted sexual acts which have been arranged/monitored by the FSB.”


    Fascinating if true. But it also gives rise to a serious question—if Trump has known about the existence of this tape for some time (as the report later alleges), wouldn't it amount to a ticking time bomb under his campaign and his career?


    5. “A dossier of compromising material on Hillary Clinton has been collated by the Russian intelligence services over many years and mainly comprises bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia.… However it has not been distributed abroad, including to TRUMP.”


    As Secretary of State, Clinton used non-secure communications while in Russia that resulted in “compromising material” being gathered by the FSB? Hard to credit. And the FSB, which was supposedly passing secret information to Trump’s campaign, chose not to share its supposedly compromising material on Clinton? That seems to contradict point 3.


    6. “The dossier is controlled by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, directly on Putin’s orders.”


    Why would such a dossier be controlled by Peskov, whose job is to talk to the press, when it must have originated with the FSB and/or FAPSI, the federal electronic surveillance service? Peskov is a Kremlin courtier, the charming public face of the regime, not a spy.


    7. “Speaking to a trusted compatriot in June 2016 sources A and B, a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure and a former top level Russian intelligence officer still active inside the Kremlin…”


    Hearsay evidence. These sources may be bone fide—but they’re already at least one degree of separation from the author of the report. He has never even spoken to these top level sources himself.


    8. “Source A confided that the Kremlin has been feeding TRUMP and his team valuable intelligence on his opponents, including…Clinton, for several years.”
    Several years? Those psychic Russians again. Trump announced his candidacy on June 16, 2015. Clinton announced hers on April 12, 2015.


    9. Source D, “a close associate of TRUMP who had organized and managed his recent trips to Moscow” is cited as as an eyewitness to TRUMP’s “personal obsessions and sexual perversions.” “According to Source D, where s/he had been present, TRUMP’s (perverted) conduct in Moscow included hiring the presidential suite of the Ritz Carlton hotel where he knew that President and Mrs OBAMA (whom he hated) had stayed…and defiling the bed where they had slept by employing a number of prostitutes to perform a ‘golden showers’ (urination) show in front of him. The hotel was known to be under FSB control with microphones and concealed cameras in all the main rooms.”


    Leaving aside the allegation itself (which is later supposedly backed up by the testimonies of Sources E, F and B), it’s worth looking at the tortured and borderline non-native syntax of this sentence. Would a native English speaker talk of a hotel being “under FSB control”? That’s a clear Russianism ("pod kontrolem FSB") that may be picked up from the original source—or may suggest that the author isn’t actually a British MI6 agent at all.

    10. The existence of a “Russian dossier or ‘kompromat’ on Hillary Clinton” is confirmed by “Source B…S/he confided in a trusted compatriot that it had been collated by Department K of the FSB for many years.”


    This makes no sense. The FSB’s Directorate K is one of the most controversial departments of Russia’s security elite, and its remit translates as “counter intelligence in financial services.” Directorate K has been involved directly and indirectly in some of the dirtiest scandals of recent times—including the plundering of Hermitage Capital and the murder of their lawyer Sergei Magnitsky in 2009. But it has nothing to do with gathering intelligence on foreign leaders—that’s the SVR, the Foreign Intelligence Service, and FAPSI, the electronic eavesdropping department.
    From: “Report 2016/095”


    11. “Source E, an ethnic Russian close associate of…TRUMP admitted that there was a well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between them and the Russian leadership. This was managed on the TRUMP side by…campaign manager Paul MANAFORT who was using foreign policy adviser Carter Page and others as intermediaries.”



    Source E, who is not described in any more detail, is a goldmine of information. He, or she, claims that in exchange for intelligence on their opponents “the TRUMP team had agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue and to raise US/NATO defence commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine, a priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterise the subject.” Again, oddly non-native syntax here—and also no mention of the fact that all the Trump men mentioned have been long-standing opponents of sanctions on Russia even before any possible intelligence deal.


    From: “Report 2016/94” 19th July 2016

    12. “TRUMP advisor Carter Page holds secret meetings in Moscow with [Igor] Sechin and senior Kremlin internal affairs official DIVEYEKIN” who “discusses release of Russian dossier of kompromat on…Hillary Clinton, but also hints at Kremlin possession of such material on TRUMP.”


    Fascinating if true. But Page has denied such meetings—and this raises the question of why the Russians would bother arranging cloak-and-dagger secret meetings with a self-declared Trump emissary (Trump only named Page as an adviser in an interview with thePost editorial board in September) rather than have direct contact with more senior members of the Trump team in the U.S.
    From: “Report 2016/166” 13 December 2016

    13. “TRUMP’s representative COHEN accompanied to Prague in August/September…for secret discussions with Kremlin representatives and associated operators/hackers.”


    This report in the Buzzfeed leak is the most bizarre of all. The author asserts that Russian agents of the cultural organization Rossotrudnichestvo spoke to Trump’s lawyer in Prague about “how deniable cash payments were made to hackers who had worked in Europe under Kremlin direction against the CLINTON campaign.” This makes no sense at all. According to a detailed report on the DNC hack by private internet security company Crowdstrike in June 2016, the hack was undertaken by high-level professionals and began as early as 2014. Why would Russian agents be talking about it to Cohen in August 2016?


    Most weirdly of all, there is a reference to standing down “various Romanian hackers” and organizing a bolthole in Plovdiv, Bulgaria, for them. Note that the supposed hacked DNC material leaker, calling himself Guccifer 2.0, had pretended to be Romanian but was exposed in the detailed Crowdstrike report to actually have spoken very bad Romanian and was, in fact, linked through various Yahoo accounts to a user in Russia. It’s not clear whether this reference to Romanian hackers is linked to the fake Romanian “Guccifer 2.0” straw man set up to disguise the real identity of the hackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Except it is not dodgy. Not at all. Not even a little bit. Can you debunk one piece of it? I will be waiting.
    and secondly: whether it's dodgy or not doesn't matter with regards to research that was funded by democrats possibly being used in a fisa court to get permission to spy on members of the trump team (carter page, for example).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    investigators could end up investigating
    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    possibly being used in a fisa court
    how about a "might" or "maybe"?

    or even a "perhaps"?

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    Well just looking at the first one, why would Russia want to cultivate orange cunto even without knowing he might run for President?


    A: Because they were on the lookout for corrupt individuals to help launder money.

    There is a similar, plausible answer to everything in your post, which looks like a lot of loaded questions that have been designed to fit the answers rather than the other way around.

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    IMO FRT's this is just an attempt to distract.....but hey, good luck with it.

    quite honestly it really doesn't matter to me what does or doesn't become of this.....partly because i know robert mueller and his team of 17 prosecutors don't care about it either....they're focused on the trump campaign/transition and its shady ties to the russian government's efforts to influence the result of the 2016 election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    partly because i know robert mueller and his team of 17 prosecutors don't care about it either.
    you're right about that and it's early days.

    i'm guessing we'll hear more about this next year, especially if sessions already has a team on it (thinks he can manage it himself and not appoint a special prosecutor).
    Last edited by Farangrakthai; 16-11-2017 at 08:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    refused to publish the steel dossier because they couldn't verify anything in it.
    Riiight. Here is just one piece that has been....

    Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified'


    Trump Russia dossier key claim 'verified' - BBC News

    As usual you have your head up your ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    IMO FRT's this is just an attempt to distract.....but hey, good luck with it.
    It's just a bunch of bullshit full stop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    i'm guessing we'll hear more about this next year
    As usual you are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    It's just a bunch of bullshit full stop.
    compared to you ant and crew talking about a conspiracy theory about trump and the Russians colluding to beat Hillary for almost one year and now you say the following:



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    These arrests have nothing to do with Trump colluding do they.
    I do not care if they do or not. Clinton was impeached for something completely unrelated to what Ken Starr was appointed to investigate and I could give two shits what Drumpf winds up getting nailed for. It could be money laundering or colluding I could care less which.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai
    compared to you ant and crew talking about a conspiracy theory about trump and the Russians colluding to beat Hillary for almost one year and now you say the following
    Once again, kindly keep my name out of your lies. Thanks.

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    You haven't been posting about a conspiracy theory about trump and the Russians colluding to beat hillary?

    shall I remind you by quoting you?

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    No, so stop lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    conspiracy theory about trump and the Russians colluding to beat Hillary
    Once again the investigation is ongoing you brain dead lemming. Flynn will be the next domino to fall. BTW you know all about conspiracy theories because you get all your news from bullshit propaganda sites which is why you are constantly spouting nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    trump and the Russians colluding
    wrong thread.


    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    trump and the Russians colluding to beat hillary

    still the wrong thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    I do not care if they do or not. Clinton was impeached for something completely unrelated to what Ken Starr was appointed to investigate and I could give two shits what Drumpf winds up getting nailed for. It could be money laundering or colluding I could care less which.

    You forgot to say if if he gets nailed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Well just looking at the first one, why would Russia want to cultivate orange cunto even without knowing he might run for President?


    A: Because they were on the lookout for corrupt individuals to help launder money.

    There is a similar, plausible answer to everything in your post, which looks like a lot of loaded questions that have been designed to fit the answers rather than the other way around.

    You frequently refer to the US president as the orange canto would you object if I called a former president a polished brown turd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Once again the investigation is ongoing you brain dead lemming. Flynn will be the next domino to fall. BTW you know all about conspiracy theories because you get all your news from bullshit propaganda sites which is why you are constantly spouting nonsense.

    If Flynn falls will that be related to Trump colluding withe the Russians? Just asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    If Flynn falls will that be related to Trump colluding withe the Russians? Just asking.
    It would be another sign of an administration that is completely incompetent, unable to properly vet the people that it hired and nominated to key cabinet positions. That in and of itself is a danger to national security. Sadly dipshits like yourself will see it otherwise.


    I would like to ask you one thing and it will require all of your limited brain cells. If Mueller had evidence that Drumpf or his sons did in fact collude do you think that he would run out like an excited child and yell at the top of his lung that he had evidence?

    Or do you think he would logically, methodically work his way up from the bottom? That seems to be what is happening to me. Papadopoulos to Manafort and now on to Flynn. Right up the food chain.

    BTW why do you bozos keep posting about drumpf in a thread about the DNC? Are you do stupid to realize that this is the wrong thread?
    Last edited by bsnub; 17-11-2017 at 04:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    You frequently refer to the US president as the orange canto would you object if I called a former president a polished brown turd?
    Why would you call him a brown turd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    You frequently refer to the US president as the orange canto would you object if I called a former president a polished brown turd?
    I don't, I call him orange CUNTo, you daft old git.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    You frequently refer to the US president as the orange canto would you object if I called a former president a polished brown turd?
    You brain dead imbecile if you do not know the difference than I am not surprised because you are remarkably stupid. Your cheeto in chief paints himself orange by choice. Obama is a black man by birth. So you somehow think that referring to black people as turds is the something?

    Fucking racist scumbag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    It would be another sign of an administration that is completely incompetent, unable to properly vet the people that it hired and nominated to key cabinet positions. That in and of itself is a danger to national security. Sadly dipshits like yourself will see it otherwise.


    I would like to ask you one thing and it will require all of your limited brain cells. If Mueller had evidence that Drumpf or his sons did in fact collude do you think that he would run out like an excited child and yell at the top of his lung that he had evidence?

    Or do you think he would logically, methodically work his way up from the bottom? That seems to be what is happening to me. Papadopoulos to Manafort and now on to Flynn. Right up the food chain.

    BTW why do you bozos keep posting about drumpf in a thread about the DNC? Are you do stupid to realize that this is the wrong thread?

    Why hey do you keep posting about Trump in a thread about the future of the DNC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    You brain dead imbecile if you do not know the difference than I am not surprised because you are remarkably stupid. Your cheeto in chief paints himself orange by choice. Obama is a black man by birth. So you somehow think that referring to black people as turds is the something?

    Fucking racist scumbag.
    How did I know that would be your responce,the point is not that I wish to call a former president a brown turd just wondering if I disrespected your favorite president the way you disrespect the current president what your reaction would be.I got exactly what I was looking for. By the way Trump was born with a orange complexion the same as the former president was born with a brown complexion

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Why hey do you keep posting about Trump in a thread about the future of the DNC?


    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    By the way Trump was born with a orange complexion the same as the former president was born with a brown complexion

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