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    Now the DNC is trying to "change their message"
    aka, say new things but practice their old ways. I'm not biting. Won't vote for Dems (or Repubs).



    Dems want to rebrand as the economic party

    Senate and House Dems, after an intensive process spanning seven months, on Monday will unveil a new economic agenda, Axios has exclusively learned, meant to counter the perception that Democrats are only the anti-Trump party, with no message of their own.

    Top Dems see the new message as the key to turning things around after their losses in the presidential race and this year's House special elections.

    An opening theme/frame: "excessive corporate power and its impacts."

    Pollster Geoff Garin writes in a memo kicking off the project: "[T]he Democratic policies related to curbing excessive corporate power that are being highlighted in the first day of the rollout have real resonance with voters and are strongly supported by a significant majority of Americans."

    The agenda's big idea: "Too many families in America today feel that the rules of the economy are rigged against them. Special interests have a strangle-hold on Washington — from the super-rich spending unlimited amounts of secret money to influence our elections, to the huge loopholes in our tax code that help corporations avoid paying taxes."

    "If the government goes back to putting working families first, ahead of special interests, we can achieve a better deal for the American people that will raise their pay, lower their expenses, and prepare them for the future."

    https://www.axios.com/better-deal-ec...463550316.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    And some acceptable policies.
    Like hate, bigotry and nativism? Sure works for the Rethugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    And some acceptable policies.
    Like hate, bigotry and nativism? Sure works for the Rethugs.
    The topic is the Democratic party, not Repubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    The Trump presidency will be a disaster. The nation will be sick and tired of Trump's manic bullshit show after his first year.
    Could you be a little more specific?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    This is about....policy.
    You ever hear of Gerrymandering you simple minded buffoon? Maybe you should read this thread;

    http://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner/...-decision.html (Supreme Court tosses NC court decision on GOP-drawn voting district maps)

    Although unlikely with your diminished IQ you may learn something.
    You seem to blame every dem loss on gerrymander. Are you really that dumb?

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    Here's the new slogan by the Dems coming out.

    "A Better Deal."

    Yawn.

    Regardless of party, it's the same ol' shite with a different name.


    Democrats Try to Find Economic Message After Railing Against Trump
    By MATT FLEGENHEIMER and ALEXANDER BURNSJULY 24, 2017

    Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, flanked by fellow Democrats, helped introduce the party’s new economic message on Monday in Berryville, Va., saying: “Too many Americans don’t know what we stand for. Not after today.”



    Credit Justin T. Gellerson for The New York Times
    BERRYVILLE, Va. — For more than a year, Democrats have raged against now-President Trump, projecting their opposition as the party’s central message. In so doing, they have maintained their minority status in Congress, sustained the most stunning loss in modern presidential history and left voters with little sense of what they represent.

    On Monday, Democratic leaders gathered 70 miles from Washington — in a town of some 4,000, in a district represented by a Republican, in a county carried easily by Mr. Trump — to try something else.

    “Too many Americans don’t know what we stand for,” Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, told a sweat-soaked crowd of about 100 at a park here off Main Street. “Not after today.”

    Such is the battle cry of a party in the wilderness, straining to win support even while staring down a historically unpopular president consumed by Russia-specked scandal. Now Democrats are training their attention elsewhere, unfurling a set of proposals aimed squarely at voters who see a gap between Mr. Trump’s populist campaign message and the reality of his tenure.

    Labeled collectively as “A Better Deal,” the policies combine left-leaning doctrine old and new — a $15-an-hour minimum wage, a crusade against monopolies, and efforts to lower prescription drug costs — elevating issues that Democrats expect to animate next year’s midterm elections and supplying an answer to critics who accuse them of offering nothing but obstruction. Not coincidentally, Democrats latched onto two policies that Mr. Trump campaigned on but has done little to combat as president — the power of big-business monopolies and surging drug prices.

    And so, one after another, the Democrats stepped into this small-town painting:
    the Senate firebrand from Massachusetts, two Brooklynites, the House leader from San Francisco, in her dark sunglasses, assembling in front of a swing set and a row of minivans and telling the people why they should listen this time.

    “We’re here today because the economy is broken,” said Senator Elizabeth Warren
    of Massachusetts, the event’s most celebrated draw, revving up as residents snapped to attention for cellphone photographs. “Americans know that this economy is rigged.”

    For all the fanfare on Monday, Democrats acknowledged that the message might serve more as a flexible skeleton for their 2018 campaigns than a precise ideological or political road map. The “Better Deal” concept appeared designed to satisfy as many factions of the party as possible — populist liberals, suburban moderates, social justice activists — while attaching the Democratic Party in formal fashion to a few broad economic themes.

    But the themes did aim at issues familiar to struggling Americans. Soaring drug prices are cutting into middle-class wallets, and the consolidation of industries, from airlines to cable companies to banks, are raising prices, reducing competition and holding down wages. The federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour has not been raised since 2009.

    David Axelrod, the former chief strategist for President Barack Obama, said the messaging rollout appeared to be an acknowledgment that Democrats had failed to connect with voters’ economic anxiety in the last election.


    “The question is: Does it appear to people to be simply a poll-driven document offered by a bunch of Washington politicians, or is there a persistent, disciplined attempt to follow through on these issues?” said Mr. Axelrod, noting that Hillary Clinton’s myriad economic policy prescriptions failed to overcome Mr. Trump’s battering-ram nationalist message. “And do the candidates of the party, running throughout the country, embrace them?”

    More optimistic Democrats said they hoped it would allow the party to sidle past some of the messy internal conflicts of the last eight months.

    Mr. Trump’s election touched off bitter arguments among Democrats over just how politically combative the party should be, and how much it should seek to compete with Mr. Trump’s hard-edged version of economic populism.

    Mr. Schumer suggested, in fact, that Mr. Trump’s success had demonstrated the potency of this kind of economic strategy.

    “President Trump campaigned on a populist platform, talking to working people. That’s why he won,” the senator said, adding that Mr. Trump’s choice to often outsource policy making to hard-line conservatives had created a vacuum on economic issues. “We Democrats are going to fill that vacuum. Democrats will show the country we are the party on the side of working people.”

    The effort comes as the party confronts a mood of mounting urgency around its messaging, particularly on economic matters. For all of the Clinton campaign’s white papers and round-table discussions last year — proposals, in many cases, that were equivalent to what Democrats embraced on Monday — the candidate’s closing argument registered often as anti-Trump above all else.

    The problem has persisted. Lacking a pointed national sales pitch in the first half of this year, Democratic candidates were shut out in a series of special congressional elections in conservative-leaning districts
    — in Georgia, Montana, South Carolina and Kansas — with each defeat fueling new recriminations and deepening existing disagreements about the party’s future.

    Several Democrats were heartened that Monday’s display seemed at least to reflect a consensus that the party needed to be more attentive to voters’ close-to-home concerns, without lurching too precipitously toward the left or the center.

    The event was ostensibly hosted by Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, a centrist, business-friendly Democrat who reached the governor’s mansion in 2002 in part by finding unlikely success with the kinds of rural voters who have since gravitated toward Mr. Trump.

    “In that way, it’s an important step,” said former Gov. Jack Markell of Delaware, a moderate Democrat and former chairman of the National Governors Association. “I think this really appeals to everybody, from Mark Warner to Elizabeth Warren.”

    As with most any political messaging rollout, there were halting moments: ham-fisted baseball banter, time-filling riffs about the weather and — to the delight of Republicans in Washington — a slogan that echoed both a tagline from Speaker Paul D. Ryan’s “A Better Way” agenda and the Papa John’s pizza creed, “Better Ingredients, Better Pizza.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/u...T.nav=top-news

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    A better deal?

    Motherfuckers sound like sales people.

    Fail. Hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    “Too many Americans don’t know what we stand for,” Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, told a sweat-soaked crowd of about 100 at a park here off Main Street.
    Yeah we do Chuck...




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    Slick and SKKin,

    Spot-on.


    That's why I'm out of this process and vote 3rd party. Been doing so since 1996 and we know sadly, that it doesn't mean sh*t.

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    Looks real familiar... Hmm..... Almost like.... I dunno.... Real similar to..... That orange jesus fellow? Trump? LOL




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    AND MUCH MORE! LOL




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    Democrats Don’t Actually Believe in Democracy

    Yeah, we’re a republic, but we also have democratic rules, norms, and traditions. Too bad the Democratic Party doesn’t believe in them.

    Case in point – their bizarre embrace of illegal aliens. Democrats seem to think that foreigners who violate our laws have a greater right to determine what will be America's laws than actual Americans. After all, that's their argument when they whine because some illegal is getting shipped back to his Third World hellhole-of-origin. They seem to think that just because some uninvited, unwanted, unlegal trespasser (we’re not supposed to call them “illegal,” right?) has been violating our laws for an exceptionally long period of time makes his offense less offensive. Huh? That’s like saying getting slugged in the gut once is a no-no, but being pounded in the pancreas a couple dozen times is cool.

    We citizens expressed what we wanted through our representatives – remember that “I’m Just a Bill” cartoon? We didn’t want people we didn’t invite in to be in. But apparently what we want – and what our elected representatives enacted into law and the president signed – doesn’t count because the people who blew off our laws, who disrespected us and our country by sneaking in, want something else. And the Democrats side with them against Americans.

    Nice. They should be open about it and run on it. Let me help with a slogan for 2018: “The Democrats: What you want doesn’t matter. What the guy who snuck in here from Guatemala wants does.”

    Seems catchy – it’s certainly catchier than “A Better Deal.” Or maybe they can go with “The New Deal 2: The Revenge.”

    Anyone wondering why the congressional numbers for the Democrats out in the red states aren’t rising? Sure, they are pumping up urban polls from 60 percent to 80 percent, but outside the dysfunctional blue cities, no dice. There’s no wave coming. And no money either for the Dems; not so for the GOP, which is raking it in despite its legislative version of an inability to perform man-wise.

    Maybe the Democrats’ utter contempt for the idea that normal Americans have a right to participate in their own governance has something to do with it. It's clear the Democrats don't like our laws on immigration, but they are our laws. These are laws made under our Constitution, through the people we elected. If you don’t like them, the remedy is to convince enough representatives to change them. But that’s hard and inconvenient. So the Democrats’ answer is just to ignore the laws – and us.

    Why not? After all, we are deplorable. Regular hard-working, religious, patriotic people whose No. 1 focus is not ensuring men pretending to be women can lurk in teen girls’ locker rooms should have no say, the Democrats tell us. No, the people who built this country, defended it, and make it run are its biggest problem.

    The Democrats really ought to change their name. Right now, it’s false advertising. How about the Dictatorcrats? After all, that's what they want to do – dictate to us. When they can't get the votes to change the law, they just change it anyway by not enforcing it. And that’s bad.

    See, what makes the constitutional system work is that the losing side accepts the loss and complies with the duly enacted law. But if one side chooses not to honor this principle, then that side can’t ever lose. That’s a problem. The designated perpetual loser is eventually going to get woke, and then you end up with a President Trump and (I so hope) a Senator Kid Rock.

    Democrats, how is that working out for you? You were all excited about pens and phones, but hey – look who’s dialing and scribbling now.

    I warned you that you’d hate the new rules.

    See, Americans are fussy about that whole democracy thing – again, I know we're a republic as opposed to a People's Republic, but you know what I mean. We are not going to tolerate being disenfranchised. So much of everything that's gone wrong for the liberals lately has been because they simply ignore the desires of a large bunch of citizens in order to impose their will. And there are consequences.

    You want to know why you got Trump? This is why you got Trump. He was the only nominee not telling normal Americans “You’re stupid, so shut up and do what you're told.”

    But the liberals don't see anything wrong with that. They do think you're stupid, and that you should shut up and let them tell you what to do. This arrogance is a result of the false premise underpinning America’s elite class. That false premise is that the prestigious educational credentials that confer elite status also confer competence. Nope.

    Basically, 17-year-olds apply and get accepted to the right college and this itself is a sufficient achievement to enroll them in the elite. They don’t have to actually do anything once they are accepted because no one fails to graduate from the Harvards or Yales unless he chooses to drop out, or unless he's a male who gets jammed up by a kangaroo court because he broke up with some bitter chick who then carries a mattress around because of patriarchy or something. So basically, you get into the Ivy League and then you start school at 18 and then you're set. You're part of the elite, and everyone else should bow down and acknowledge your awesomeness.

    These people imagine they attained their lofty positions as a result of their successful performance within a strict meritocracy, and that their cultural power is not just the result of their efforts but of their innate moral goodness. But here’s the thing about America’s meritocracy - is it really so much for us to expect that those occupying the heights of the meritocracy start showing some merit?

    We keep hearing from them about how society is such a mess, that we are besieged by problems, and that our society is a disaster. Of course, the solution is always to shift more and more power and money from the normals to the elite. But this raises a question the elite never seems to ask: Who the hell has been in charge while all these crises were percolating?

    I know who it wasn’t. It wasn’t the truck drivers or the air-conditioner installers or the guys working in the factory whose jobs got shipped to Oaxaca who have been making all these decisions. Those guys from the red states who went off to Falluja and Kandahar didn't invent the policies that had us fighting for nearly two decades without victory in sight. They just did the bleeding and dying while their puny betters wrote unread articles in Foreign Policy and moved them around like pieces on a chessboard.

    Regular Americans didn't give us Obamacare. They didn't give us Wall Street’s pillaging of the middle class – we all have to give the money guys our retirement savings to play with because they made sure interest rates were a big .1 percent and it’s our only option if we don’t want to spend our golden years dining on Alpo.

    You elitists think you're elite? Start proving it.

    Scratch that. You had your chance, and you failed. Yeah, legal immigration might get you gated community dwellers cheaper nannies and gardeners, but its regular people who get murdered by MS-13, whose daughters get raped by the dozen-times deported scumbag the sanctuary city sheriff set free, and whose children get run over by drunks who shouldn't even be in this country. It's the regular people who have to pay for the welfare these people take – and don’t tell me they don't get government benefits. Even you elitists can’t really think we’re that stupid.

    This is about whether all American citizens have an equal say in their own governance. That can only be true when we enforce the law. You either abide by the law, or there is no law. And if there is no law, then there's only power. Since you elitists probably never stooped to serving in the military, and since you almost certainly are neither armed nor proficient in weapons like we are, which makes us extremely dangerous to aspiring oppressors, you may want to rethink the whole “rule of power” thing.

    But of course you won’t – instead, you're doubling down by trying to nullify the results of the election because you don't like the fact that you've been rejected and that you're out of power. Except we're not going to simply shrug and go back to letting you dictate how we live.

    Donald Trump is a warning. Trump is the best case scenario. If you somehow depose him via your smarmy shenanigans, what comes along next is really going to upset you. You need to understand something.

    Trump is not our last chance. He's your last chance.
    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurt...cracy-n2363433

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    "You want to know why you got Trump? This is why you got Trump. He was the only nominee not telling normal Americans “You’re stupid".
    Yet he is the only one that's making the idiots that voted for him look fucking stupid, that's for sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Yet he is the only one that's making the idiots that voted for him look fucking stupid, that's for sure.

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    Yep, I reckon a lot of people wish they'd voted for her now, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    I reckon
    Matters not, Englishman.

    And I doubt it, but we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    I reckon
    Matters not, Englishman.

    And I doubt it, but we'll see.
    "We'll see"?

    Don't you read slicky boy?

    Only 33% of Americans approve of Trump’s job as President.

    A Quinnipiac University survey discovered that only a third of US voters approve of the job their current President is doing, and 61% disapprove.
    Donald Trump's Approval rating has reached the lowest yet | Metro News

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    The whole "A Better Deal" is not going to sway the disillusioned.

    After decades and decades of pushing down wages, pharmaceutical medications rising astronomically, college tuition going up to unaffordable levels unless one become a life-long debt slave, the disappearance of pensions.

    And now...."A better deal."

    Where have the Dems been for the last 50 years?

    Don't buy this snake oil designed to get ahead in the coming mid-terms.

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    For some time states have been vying to move up to earlier positions in the primaries.

    Here is the doozy: California is attempting to move up from June to March, giving CA massive power in deciding early on who the Dem Nominee will be.

    Your thoughts?










    An earlier primary could benefit at least two potential presidential contenders from California — Sen. Kamala Harris (pictured) and Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti. | Zach Gibson/Getty Images

    How California could jolt the 2020 presidential race

    The nation's largest state is poised to upend the primary election schedule.

    By DAVID SIDERS and GABRIEL DEBENEDETTI
    09/10/2017



    LOS ANGELES — California is pushing forward with a plan to change the state’s primary date from June to March, a move that could scramble the 2020 presidential nominating contest and swing the early weight of the campaign to the west.
    If adopted by the legislature this week — as is widely expected — and signed into law by Gov. Jerry Brown, the early primary would allocate California’s massive haul of delegates just after the nation’s first contests in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina.

    The earlier primary could benefit at least two potential presidential contenders from California — U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris and Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti
    — while jeopardizing the prospects of other candidates who will struggle to raise enough early money to compete in expensive media markets in the nation’s most populous state.


    “In all probability, the winner of the California primary would be the nominee,”
    said Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman from South Carolina.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ections-242530

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    here we go again. See why you are red no matter what the nick? Commenting on your own post with a new nick.

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    CA moving up to March is BIG thing.

    Focus on the topic, my friend.

    If you have nothing to comment, then don't.

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    the article states that gov. brown is likely to sign it, so it looks like it's going to happen.

    and IMO it should happen. california has a massive population and economy.... and its citizens should have more of a say in who becomes president than subsidized farmers in iowa.




    and....

    aging vagina is obsessed with repo (his and everyone else's)....it's clear that his desperate need for external validation isn't being fulfilled in the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey
    california has a massive population and economy.... and its citizens should have more of a say in who becomes president than subsidized farmers in iowa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    the article states that gov. brown is likely to sign it, so it looks like it's going to happen.

    and IMO it should happen. california has a massive population and economy.... and its citizens should have more of a say in who becomes president than subsidized farmers in iowa.




    and....

    aging vagina is obsessed with repo (his and everyone else's)....it's clear that his desperate need for external validation isn't being fulfilled in the real world.


    Without those farmers you wouldn't be alive,those farmers are also a large part of the U.S.economy.
    You scream about gerrymandering which gives one group a larger say in the election,then you say Californians should have a larger say than Iowans,you my friend are the epitome of hypocrisy

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