Thread: US election: Hillary Clinton blames FBI director James Comey for election loss

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

, if it had been Bernie, Trump would banged on about the 'evil Joos' and still won.

This is where you really fall short in understanding American politics. Bernie would have decimated trump. Michigan and Wisconsin would never have went trumps way. It goes on and on. Trump would have had no chance.

You overestimate the electorate (as I did).

Originally Posted by nidhogg

The real point is the choice came down to a sleeze bucket or an ass monkey. America lost either way. If any reflection is needed, it is how a multi billion dollar process ended in a devils choice between two supremely untrustworthy candidates.

Awesome post... exactly how I feel about it.

A bit like arguing the merits of a maggot vs a cockroach...

To my limited, superficial knowledge on this topic - my gut instinct says Clinton was careless, but without devious intent, in relation to the email issue..
Not defending her, she should man-up, accept that she lost the election, as much as Chump won it.. IMHO.

She was weak as warm piss, had the moral fortitude of a meth-addict.... not much better than Chump.

Why don't they have a proper democracy where they must have a referendum (like here in NZ) to decide important policy/matters... i.e. for NZ to change its flag it must gain a majority of its citizen's approval... E-Key, can't just wish it into reality...

Unlike Chump.. he wants to build a wall... by fuck we will build a wall...

Fook asking my 300+ million constitutes their desires, as you sad phuks voted me in, so I now have your consent to do whatever ridiculous thing that pops into my dementia riddled head...I know what, I'll build a 9,000 ft Phallus - that shoots somtam, instead of jizz..

^ Clinton was indeed "careless" so much so she broke the law, if she wasn't in the position she is! she would now be in jail.
Haiti and the Clinton foundation? thats another story.........

Is their such a thing as a "proper" democracy or is it all an illusion?

Maggot or cockroach?

^ Good points.

Yes but I think he would have been a much stronger candidate to deflect those attacks. He was a pretty likeable guy, solid personality, and (critically) the guy had a purpose for his candidacy which was basically to speak to the same disenfranchised people Trump won over. Only instead of scapegoating Bernie was actually offering an alternative explanation about why these people had been abandoned, and who had left them high and dry. After the Wall Street meltdown, bankster bailouts, and great recession, I think people were ready to hear it.

We'll never know who would have won, but Bernie vs Trump would have inarguably been an extremely interesting contest. As opposed to the pathetic mud slinging tabloid joke election we actually got.

I think Bernie would have won

Originally Posted by redhaze

We'll never know who would have won, but Bernie vs Trump would have inarguably been an extremely interesting contest. As opposed to the pathetic mud slinging tabloid joke election we actually got.

I think the mud slinging was pretty much one sided. Do you actually think Trump would have ceased his mud slinging if he would have faced Bernie Sanders???

No it wasn't.

Honestly, the most embarrassing, lowest moment of the election to me was when Clinton showed up on stage with Miss Universe following that whole bruhaha about Trump calling her fat or whatever. Undignified and totally ridiculous

Originally Posted by redhaze

No it wasn't.

Christ I gave you more credit. I suppose you think using Khan was mudslinging too.
Did you actually listen to what went on at his rallies?

Miss Universe dude. Do you honestly think that's what our election should have focused on? What we elect the leader of the free world on? Whether Trump called Miss Universe fat and her feelings got hurt and therefore elect Hillary Clinton?

Just admit it was ridiculous and I'll tell you what I think about the Khan thing

Originally Posted by Airportwo

^ Clinton was indeed "careless" so much so she broke the law, if she wasn't in the position she is! she would now be in jail.
Haiti and the Clinton foundation? thats another story.........

Is their such a thing as a "proper" democracy or is it all an illusion?

Maggot or cockroach?

And then guy in the notary who sent an email to save his fellow soldiers from a deadly attack was severely punished. Career ended.

But DNC elitist Hillary walked.

Originally Posted by redhaze

Miss Universe dude. Do you honestly think that's what our election should have focused on? What we elect the leader of the free world on? Whether Trump called Miss Universe fat and her feelings got hurt and therefore elect Hillary Clinton?

Absolutely not ridiculous. No decent employer should publicly humiliate a subordinate. It was mean, sexist, bullying behavior. You could never get away with that in the workplace without being fired on the spot.

What any of that has to do with Hillary Clinton appearing on stage with her I will never understand.

Perhaps Trump should have dragged Monica Lewinsky on stage, maybe Jennifer Flowers. After all, this is a reflection on Clinton's character. I mean, what kind of woman who wants to be a role model to children stays with a cheater (just to clarify, I obviously don't believe that....but you see where this goes yes?).

We deserved better than this tabloid trash campaign, and Clinton was hardly above it.

That girl was already making her case in the media. Clinton could have even encouraged her, coached her up, whatever and it may not have been clean but whatever. But physically dragging that poor lady on stage with a nominee for President of the United States? Absurd. Way, way beyond absurd. The phrases desperate and sad both come to mind. Undignified. The list goes on.

Very pathetic campaign on both sides. But hey, everyone sees things differently I guess

Originally Posted by redhaze

I think Bernie would have won

I think he would have, his message to the poor was more credible

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by redhaze

I think Bernie would have won

I think he would have, his message to the poor was more credible

The poor/gullible will believe anything look how many blacks Obama got to vote for him. They're still waiting for all there free stuff though 8 years on.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by redhaze

I think Bernie would have won

I think he would have, his message to the poor was more credible

The poor/gullible will believe anything look how many blacks Obama got to vote for him. They're still waiting for all there free stuff though 8 years on.

As are the white trailer trash that voted for him in droves while waving their confederate flags and their guns around.

Originally Posted by SKkin

I hear it's ok to get blowjobs from interns at the office. Because his sex life was none of our business. Remember that?
Partisan biased, situational ethics are a bitch, no?

You are conflating two different issues, a familar tactic of right wing memes. One had to do with consensual sex between two adults the other with a public humiliation of an employee. One does not justify or absolve the other.

Some states were so so close, yeah I think its a valid complaint by Hillary.

Especially given its a known many American voters invest almost zero time deciding until the last moment, if just a few them heard "Hillary" and "FBI Investigation" in the same sentence during the last week, I could see it possibly having an affect.

But plenty of other factors likely larger. Her career is over, you blow something that was so much in the bag, no one will back her again.

^It's part of the history of the election. I was factor among several other factors but the whole episode cannot be just written off as sour grapes.

Originally Posted by Humbert

a familar tactic of right wing memes

FYI...I don't give a damn about 'right-wing' vs. 'left-wing' or (D) vs. (R).

Originally Posted by Humbert

One does not justify or absolve the other.

Agreed, but I'm not sure how you characterize the Miss Universe woman as an employee of Trump. She was a contestant not an employee of the Miss Universe Organization.

Cigar girl on the other hand, adult or otherwise, was an intern in Bubba's Oval Office.

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

Why don't they have a proper democracy where they must have a referendum (like here in NZ) to decide important policy/matters... i.e. for NZ to change its flag it must gain a majority of its citizen's approval... E-Key, can't just wish it into reality...

No country on earth can govern itself by referendum. A referendum is a single issue affair, (very occasionally a short range of very specific issues)....like UK leaving the EU or in the case of some other places making massive life changing decisions like having a new flag.

As can be seen in the UK recently, a referendum can leave just as much angst, division and backlash as any other kind of election. The closer the vote the worse it gets. It's one tool in the box and it has it's occasional uses, but can you imagine having to have the whole country vote every time an important decision has to be made? Not very practical, or affordable, even with a population as small as NZ.

REAL democracy (in as much as it exists) allows the population to choose a whole group of people to form a management team we call government to make laws and decisions on their behalf. The idea being that once they have chosen, they are then supposed to allow those chosen to get on with the job, on the understanding that if they don't get it right, they will be fired at the next round.....and so on.

Most people these days understand that it's not a perfect system, but the alternatives are not very attractive either. At least we can have referendums to change the flag or break away from a big bullying trading bloc.

The post mortems on the US election are brimming with theories about why, and how Mr Trump ended up winning. We have; The FBI, Russian hackers, white women, old white men, white people in general, lack of voter turnout, racism, and all the usual accusations from the leftists; if only Sanders had been the candidate .....blah blah blah. The interference of Thai monk magic has been mentioned as well....

If Trump had lost, then it would be; a rigged election, media, Hollywood influence, and backstabbing Washington insiders etc etc.

For all the difference it makes now, we may as well blame the alignment of the planets, phase of the moon, and the amount of winter feed that the Chipmunks have been putting away this year.

Originally Posted by koman

can you imagine having to have the whole country vote every time an important decision has to be made?

Swiss practice a form of direct democracy rather than a representitive democracy as the US and most other democracies.

Swiss citizens vote regularly on all kinds of issues on every political level, such as financial approvals of a school house or the building of a new street, or the change of the policy regarding sexual work, or on constitutional changes, or on the foreign policy of Switzerland, four times a year. Between January 1995 and June 2005, Swiss citizens voted 31 times, on 103 federal questions besides many more cantonal and municipal questions.