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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    what went on during those 2 hours
    I can hazard a guess: Putin made Trump his biatch either by using leverage or playing the giant orange buffoons narcissism.

    But yeah you're right, the specifics need to be examined. That a pathologically lying president under investigation for possible collusion with the Russians was allowed to meet in that manner with, err, the Russians in the first place shows just how degraded things have become.

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    Surely both sides secretly recorded the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Surely both sides secretly recorded the discussion.
    Dem lawmaker calls on House to subpoena American translator from Trump-Putin meeting

    Dem lawmaker calls on House to subpoena American translator from Trump-Putin meeting | TheHill

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    ^ a dem congressman wrote a letter....which won't get any results. Must be some pissed off brass in the Pentagon, State dept etc needing to know what happened....can't see them builing a policy based orangeboys version of what went on

    Putin most likely had recording devices....would surpprise me if trump allowed any fromthe US sde

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    That a pathologically lying president under investigation for possible collusion with the Russians was allowed to meet in that manner with, err, the Russians in the first place shows just how degraded things have become.
    Yep. Astonishing. So astonishing that I suspect ther was an ulterior motive to letting it happen , vis a vis bugs.
    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Putin most likely had recording devices....would surpprise me if trump allowed any fromthe US sde
    That he knew of. Lets hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Dem lawmaker calls on House to subpoena American translator from Trump-Putin meeting
    i would love to have her testify, but it's an extremely slippery slope....and for that reason i don't think it will happen.



    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Putin most likely had recording devices....would surpprise me if trump allowed any fromthe US sde
    of course this is only my opinion from what i've read and seen/listened to in interviews....the US intelligence community is beyond convinced that putin personally ordered the election interference and they also have seen how trump has been acting...for that reason i feel confident that they made sure that they have access to what was said in that room.

    FFS, why wouldn't trump have his national security adviser or secretary of state in the room when he's meeting with a former KGB agent?

    let's keep in mind that trump's a former real estate developer who doesn't like to read or prepare for meetings.

    i wouldn't be surprised if there are some people in the us intelligence community who would say that they can smell the guilt on trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    The way i understand it, trump took nothing into the 2 hour meeting. Putin had a notebook and took notes. So all anybody has to go on about what went on in the meeting is trump's word. There should be alot more noise being made about finding out what went on during those 2 hours than what I been seeing in the news
    How they can fuck over the public and climate science to raise the price on fossil fuels.

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    It's staggering to me that he would even entertain this
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...michael-mcfaul
    Could someone do me a

    Favour and cut and paste the article please
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    It's staggering to me that he would even entertain this
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...michael-mcfaul
    Could someone do me a

    Favour and cut and paste the article please
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    Absurd, crazy': Trump discussed allowing Putin to interrogate US ambassador

    Proposal by Vladimir Putin that the US allow Russia to question Michael McFaul met by outrage in Washington

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    The White House has declined to rule out accepting a Russian proposal to question on US soil American people – including the former ambassador to Moscow Michael McFaul – sought by the Kremlin for “illegal activities”.

    The proposal arose at Monday’s summit between the US president Donald Trump and the Russian president Vladimir Putin, and any decision by Washington to assist with an adversary’s prosecution of former government employees overseas would be a stunning shift in US policy, especially as it could violate the international legal principle of diplomatic immunity.
    'Nothing short of treason': US voters on the Trump-Putin summit
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    “The president is going to meet with his team and we’ll let you know when we have an announcement on that,” White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders told a news briefing. Sanders added that Trump “said it was an interesting idea ... He wants to work with his team and determine if there is any validity that would be helpful to the process”.

    Sanders’s comments prompted outrage in the US, including from McFaul, a vocal Putin critic.

    “When Trump says Russia is no longer targeting America, that’s not how this American feels,” McFaul wrote on Twitter.

    “Putin is most certainly targeting and intimidating me. And I’m an American.”

    It comes after Putin suggested at the Helsinki summit that he would let US investigators be present for questioning of 12 Russian intelligence officers charged last Friday on allegations they carried out cyber attacks to interfere in the 2016 US election if Russians could do the same in America for people connected to money manager Bill Browder, a one-time investor in Russia. Browder has said he helped expose corruption in Russia.
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    Putin accused Browder of making campaign contributions to Trump’s election rival Hillary Clinton with money he earned in Russia on which he did not pay taxes. Putin said US intelligence officers helped Browder.

    On Wednesday, the Russian prosecutor general’s office listed Americans it wants to question for “illegal activities”, including McFaul, who was US ambassador to Russia during the Obama administration and is now at Stanford University in California.

    US State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert called the Russian allegations “absolutely absurd”.

    “The prosecutor general in Russia is well aware that the United States has rejected Russian allegations in this regard,” Nauert told a briefing.

    McFaul told Reuters he has contacted Stanford lawyers. He denied Russia’s accusations and expressed deep concern that the White House failed to defend him.

    “It’s crazy and should be called crazy and outrageous, not just by me, but by the US government,” McFaul said.

    McFaul said the White House, by considering the request, was “assigning moral equivalence between a legitimate indictment of Russian intelligence officers ... to a cockamamie fantasy (from Moscow) with no basis in reality”.

    The suggestion that the US would hand over a former ambassador to Russia caused deep disquiet in Washington.

    Senior Democrat Adam Schiff said McFaul’s freedom was “not up for negotiation”.

    Samantha Power, the former US ambassador to the UN, said Trump’s refusal to stand up to Putin was “a travesty”, while Democrat congressman Ted Lieu said it was “batshit crazy”.

    Browder said on Fox Business Network that it was “just shocking” for Trump’s spokeswoman to say they were considering letting Russia question US officials.

    Reuters contributed to this report
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    ^ That shows how messed up things are in the Trump administration. Unreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thailazer View Post
    The suggestion that the US would hand over a former ambassador to Russia caused deep disquiet in Washington.
    Deep disquiet...ffs how bout some outrage

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Deep disquiet...ffs how bout some outrage
    It's not like trumpanzees are ever going to hear about that.

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    Donald Trump invites Vladimir Putin to Washington, White House says

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    Mr Trump has received widespread criticism for his meeting with Mr Putin.

    US President Donald Trump has asked his national security adviser, John Bolton, to invite Russian President Vladimir Putin to
    Washington later in the year, the White House says.

    "President Trump asked @Ambjohnbolton to invite President Putin to Washington in the fall and those discussions are already
    underway," White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said in a tweet.

    Mr Trump and Mr Putin held a summit in Helsinki earlier this week, which both presidents described as a success.

    In the latest fallout, Mr Trump rejected Mr Putin's proposal that Russian authorities be allowed to question American citizens,
    the White House said, after the offer drew fierce criticism in the US.

    The proposal was to allow the US to question 12 Russians accused of interfering in the 2016 election in exchange for permitting
    Russia to interview Americans the Kremlin accuses of unspecified crimes.

    Mr Trump on Monday called the idea "an incredible offer" and on Wednesday the White House said the President was considering
    the proposal, drawing a barrage of criticism from his fellow Republicans as well as Democrats.


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    The situation's gotta be nearing a tipping point. If congress won't do anything, the state dept and intelligence ppl must be about ready to walk out or shoot him

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    "Donald Trump once valued being on the cover of TIME magazine so much he put a fake version in seven of his golf courses.
    Now it may be a case of being careful what you wish for.
    "
    "The magazine has put the US President on the cover of its latest issue, the second week in a row it has done so, and chances are he isn't going to like it.
    The illustration by artist Nancy Burson shows Mr Trump morphing into Russian President Vladimir Putin.
    "
    "The magazine said in a statement that the depiction "is meant to represent this particular moment in US foreign policy, following the pair's recent meeting in Helsinki, Finland"."A year and a half into his presidency, Trump's puzzling affinity for Putin has yet to be explained," Brian Bennett writes in the TIME cover story. "Trump is bruised by the idea that Russian election meddling taints his victory, those close to him say, and can't concede the fact that Russia did try to interfere in the election, regardless of whether it impacted the outcome."
    Mr Trump was attacked by both sides of politics and Americans across the board for appearing to side with Mr Putin over his own intelligence agencies with regards to whether Russia interfered in the 2016 US election.
    Mr Trump has since done an about-face and said he meant to say he saw no reason why it "wouldn't" be Russia, when he said that he saw no reason why it "would" be Russia.
    Last year the Washington Post revealed that a cover of Mr Trump which he had hanging at seven of his golf courses was a fake.
    Last week TIME magazine used an image of Mr Trump towering over a crying child with the words "Welcome to America" to depict his administration's policy of separating families crossing the US border.
    It came as Mr Trump went on a Twitter rant against what he calls the fake news media, even calling his joint press conference with Mr Putin a "great success"."
    I wonder if David reads these

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12092136

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    Trumpski

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    .....


    Trumpski

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    the Trump dog and pony show... meanwhile, is there any real news coming out of America?

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    David48..."Do members ever read these posts?"

    I can read the same thing from any of the "independent" US corporate media outlets.

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    this is great, the so-called "US Intelligence" biosphere is going to have a heart attack over this

    Trump Putin: Incredulity as Russian leader is invited to visit US

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44895384

    The US is really run by overzealous nutters from the US Intelligence community, it's time for the people to raise and support Trump in the destruction of that community

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    Jesus Christ, the nerves of the Democrats, can you imagine the outrage if Replicans had asked the same thing with Obama ? or worst, question his legitimacy of his birth origin as a prerequisite for meeting with Russian officials if he was indeed NOT American ?

    "Until we know what happened at that two-hour meeting in Helsinki, the president should have no more one-on-one interactions with Putin," said the top Democratic senator, Chuck Schumer, in a statement. "In the United States, in Russia, or anywhere else."

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    Sell ffs whys is a he insisting on one on one meetings anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Sell ffs whys is a he insisting on one on one meetings anyway?
    Pretty sure it's because even he couldn't live down the embarrassment of being made to wear a gimp costume and dog-leash whilst serving Putin refreshments in public.

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    Maybe the reason trump invited his boss over is to arrest him on American soil. Wouldn't that be cool?

    "By the power invested in me as President of the United States I hereby order your arrest! Now put the satin lined handcuffs on me, pull down my pants and give me what you gave me in Helsinki, you bastard!"
    "I was a good student. I comprehend very well, OK, better than I think almost anybody," - President Trump comparing his legal knowledge to a Federal judge.

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