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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo
    'back away all upset' as you say and being offended are different things. They won't take the attitude that ' oh it's just the way Trump is'.
    Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately) yes they will, in all honesty. They might not 'publicly condone' but nobody is going to cut their own throat when they are on the US titty. Cant have it both ways and I think Trump has been pretty clear on that front. Places like the philippines that are perfectly happy selling out to China might be an exception, but who cares? If they lack that much integrity, then let them. Places like UK/EU, no way, never gonna happen.

    Trump being 'offensive' via some tweets and some politicians 'not condoning' is nothing and Trump (or the US really) has all the leverage in a lot of instances.

    End of the day, I don't think Trump is going to 'learn quickly' about 'diplomatic protocol' at least in the sense that it was intended, witch read to me as he's gonna get 'schooled' because he's 'out of his depth'.
    The U.K. And the E.U. Are not 'on the U.S. Titty ' as you say.
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    ^^ You're a fool, Earl. These people agree with you more often than not and their investigations DO matter. Read their articles about Big Ag and Big Pharma.

    Example

    Mother Jones appeals to readers as its private prisons story makes change

    When Mother Jones dropped its exhaustive, deeply reported story on private prisons, the praise rolled in. The money did not.

    Journalist Shane Bauer spent four months working within prisons for Corrections Corporation of America, chronicling the brutal conditions for the inmates and the broader failures of the companies running these institutions.

    The story cost around $350,000 to produce. The banner ads that ran against the story generated around $5,000.

    About six weeks later, the story was given renewed attention on Thursday when the U.S. Justice Department announced that it will end the use of private prisons.

    Mother Jones shows investigative journalism matters ? and needs a new model

    The original piece. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...tigation-bauer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo
    The U.K. And the E.U. Are not 'on the U.S. Titty ' as you say.
    Lmao, yes, Cujo, yes they are. This is probably really hard to deal with (or know but will never admit) for some, but yes they are. Im not saying we 'own' them but they are 'on the titty' of the US.

    This isn't an insult or a flame, so don't take it that way, but its the truth, and the US has a lot of the leverage in most instances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    ^Mother Jones does fine investigative journalism.
    Alot of places and outfits do fine investigative journalism, but that does not mean they are not biased or sensationalize, as thats how they generate money.

    Not saying they are wrong, but its definitely something that has to be taken into account. MotherJones and the like are less accountable for their reporting than the bigger names in news and that makes them less credible.

    "Vice" is another that comes to mind, good journalism, done to generate money, and tend to have biased views depending on the author or sensationalize a story. Its what they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    The story cost around $350,000 to produce.
    ^ Not saying its wrong, but as you can see by this, they have a vested interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^^ You're a fool, Earl. These people agree with you more often than not and their investigations DO matter. Read their articles about Big Ag and Big Pharma.

    Example

    Mother Jones appeals to readers as its private prisons story makes change

    When Mother Jones dropped its exhaustive, deeply reported story on private prisons, the praise rolled in. The money did not.

    Journalist Shane Bauer spent four months working within prisons for Corrections Corporation of America, chronicling the brutal conditions for the inmates and the broader failures of the companies running these institutions.

    The story cost around $350,000 to produce. The banner ads that ran against the story generated around $5,000.

    About six weeks later, the story was given renewed attention on Thursday when the U.S. Justice Department announced that it will end the use of private prisons.

    Mother Jones shows investigative journalism matters ? and needs a new model

    The original piece. My Four Months as a Private Prison Guard: A Mother Jones Investigation | Mother Jones
    Ok, I stand corrected. (I confess to not being a regular MJ reader)

    Now let's see the push for the closure of the DEA, and the adoption of drug/native plant legistation which makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    Lmao, yes, Cujo, yes they are. This is probably really hard to deal with (or know but will never admit) for some, but yes they are. Im not saying we 'own' them but they are 'on the titty' of the US.
    Of course that's a very derogatory and dismissive way to describe the relationships. Interests coincide on some issues and there are sharp divisions on others. Every nation puts their soveriegn interests above those of other nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    Alot of places and outfits do fine investigative journalism, but that does not mean they are not biased or sensationalize, as thats how they generate money.
    Mother Jones is a non-profit FYI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert
    Of course that's a very derogatory and dismissive way to describe the relationships. Interests coincide on some issues and there are sharp divisions on others. Every nation puts their soveriegn interests above those of other nations.
    Im not even trying to sugar coat it Humbert. Its not derogatory but yeah its probably dismissive.

    How often do you hear Americans bashing the holy fuk out of the UK/EU/AU/? Rarely.

    How often do you hear it the other way around? Constantly.

    Im just putting it in perspective, and I'm sure its not going to be popular given the demographics of this forum, but its certainly the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    How often do you hear Americans bashing the holy fuk out of the UK/EU/AU/? Rarely.
    How often do you hear it the other way around? Constantly.
    Im just putting it in perspective, and I'm sure its not going to be popular given the demographics of this forum, but its certainly the truth.
    Point taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slick
    I'm not even trying to sugar coat it Humbert. Its not derogatory but yeah its probably dismissive.

    How often do you hear Americans bashing the holy fuk out of the UK/EU/AU/? Rarely.

    How often do you hear it the other way around? Constantly.

    Im just putting it in perspective, and I'm sure its not going to be popular given the demographics of this forum, but its certainly the truth.
    well ya can hardly blame them. The USA presents itself as such a big irresistsble target.
    You can be utterly blind and throw mud at the USA and it will stick somewhere!

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    FBI chief given dossier by John McCain alleging secret Trump-Russia contacts

    Senator John McCain passed documents to the FBI director, James Comey, last month alleging secret contacts between the Trump campaign and Moscow and that Russian intelligence had personally compromising material on the president-elect himself.

    The material, which has been seen by the Guardian, is a series of reports on Trump’s relationship with Moscow. They were drawn up by a former western counter-intelligence official, now working as a private consultant.

    The Guardian has not been able to confirm the veracity of the documents’ contents, and the Trump team has consistently denied any hidden contacts with the Russian government.

    Trump’s transition team did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but late on Tuesday, Trump tweeted: “FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!” He made no direct reference to the allegations.

    An official in the US administration who spoke to the Guardian described the source who wrote the intelligence report as consistently reliable, meticulous and well-informed, with a reputation for having extensive Russian contacts.

    Some of the reports – which are dated from 20 June to 20 October last year – also proved to be prescient, predicting events that happened after they were sent.

    One report, dated June 2016, claims that the Kremlin has been cultivating, supporting and assisting Trump for at least five years, with the aim of encouraging “splits and divisions in western alliance”.

    more https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ussia-contacts

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    FBI chief given dossier by John McCain alleging secret Trump-Russia contacts

    Senator John McCain passed documents to the FBI director, James Comey, last month alleging secret contacts between the Trump campaign and Moscow and that Russian intelligence had personally compromising material on the president-elect himself.

    The material, which has been seen by the Guardian, is a series of reports on Trump’s relationship with Moscow. They were drawn up by a former western counter-intelligence official, now working as a private consultant.

    The Guardian has not been able to confirm the veracity of the documents’ contents, and the Trump team has consistently denied any hidden contacts with the Russian government.

    Trump’s transition team did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but late on Tuesday, Trump tweeted: “FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!” He made no direct reference to the allegations.

    An official in the US administration who spoke to the Guardian described the source who wrote the intelligence report as consistently reliable, meticulous and well-informed, with a reputation for having extensive Russian contacts.

    Some of the reports – which are dated from 20 June to 20 October last year – also proved to be prescient, predicting events that happened after they were sent.

    One report, dated June 2016, claims that the Kremlin has been cultivating, supporting and assisting Trump for at least five years, with the aim of encouraging “splits and divisions in western alliance”.

    more https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ussia-contacts
    Robert Reich just posted this summary:

    Here's what the Russians have on Trump:
    None of the following are yet substantiated by the FBI or other U.S. intelligence agencies. The information comes from a former British intelligence officer who is considered a competent and reliable source, with extensive experience in Russia. His memos describe:
    1. Several purported meetings during the 2016 presidential campaign between Trump representatives and Russian officials to discuss matters of mutual interest, including the Russian hacking of the Democratic National Committee and of Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, John Podesta.
    2. Lucrative deals proposed to Trump by Russian officials -- essentially disguised bribes -- designed to win influence over Trump.
    3. Sex videos involving prostitutes with Trump in a 2013 visit to a Moscow hotel. The videos were supposedly prepared as “kompromat,” or compromising material, with the possible goal of blackmailing Trump in the future.
    Again, none of this is substantiated. Apparently the FBI is looking into them.
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    Here’s a look at Trump’s business dealings around the globe.

    Donald Trump’s Many, Many Business Dealings in 1 Map

    Donald Trump's Many, Many Business Dealings in 1 Map

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    ^^ This is still breaking news. If even one of those turns out to be true he is done. If they all turn out to be true he is on his way to prison.

    This is not a surprise to me.

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    Trump Denies Allegations Of Secret Ties, Collusion Between Campaign And Russia

    Top U.S. intelligence officials have briefed leaders in Washington about an explosive — but unverified — document that alleges collusion between Russia and President-elect Donald Trump, NPR has learned.


    The brief, which NPR has seen but not independently verified, was given by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain to FBI Director James Comey on Dec. 9. Details from it have been part of presentations by Comey and other intelligence leaders to Trump, President Obama and key leaders in Congress.
    On Tuesday night, Trump denied the report in a Twitter post that didn't even allude to the reports.


    "FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!" he wrote.


    Trump has scheduled a news conference for Wednesday — his first in 166 days, following a quip in which he invited Russia to hack materials related to his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton.


    NPR is not detailing the contents of the brief because it remains unverified, but it describes a concerted effort by Russian President Vladimir Putin to cultivate a relationship with Trump and his camp. The document, which describes information provided by Russian government and other sources, details behavior by Trump that could leave him open to blackmail, as well as alleged secret meetings between Trump aides and Russian officials called to discuss the campaign against Clinton and potential new business relationships.


    The U.S. intelligence services declined to comment on Tuesday evening. Members of Congress on the Intelligence and Armed Services committees also declined to comment.


    Members of Trump's camp issued their own denials separately from Trump.
    "Once again these reports have no documentation," Trump confidante Roger Stone told NPR. "So far we have 'assessments' and 'briefings.' The special report prepared for Trump even noted that no evidence was included and that 'such documents are so top secret they must remain confidential.'


    Attorney Michael Cohen, who is a key figure in the allegations detailed in the report, denied to The Atlantic on Tuesday evening that he'd made a trip to the Czech Republic that it describes.


    I'm telling you emphatically that I've not been to Prague, I've never been to Czech, I've not been to Russia," as reporter Rosie Gray quoted him on Twitter. Cohen posted a photo of his passport on his own Twitter account with the hashtag "#FakeNews."


    The timing of the appearance of the dossier is significant — following a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing Tuesday about Russia's campaign to disrupt the 2016 presidential election and ahead of Trump's planned news conference. Democrats on Tuesday urged the FBI to reveal whether it is conducting any investigation into the Trump camp's connections to Russia, but Comey rebuffed them.


    Separately, Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., pressed Sen. Jeff Sessions, Trump's nominee to become attorney general, about what he knew of Trump's dealings with Russia. Sessions said he wasn't aware of any activities and couldn't respond.
    The emergence of the dossier, which does not appear to have been generated by an American intelligence agency as it does not contain its standard caveats or guidance about levels of "confidence," is another twist in the sometimes surreal story about Trump's historic political success. Senators and intelligence leaders on Tuesday described the dangers of foreign mischief in the political systems of the U.S. and its allies, and the Trump-Kremlin dossier is a quintessential example.

    If it's genuine, it tops what Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and other top intelligence bosses called an unprecedented spike in Russian meddling inside the U.S. If it's phony, or parts of it are fabricated, it's yet another turn in the hall of mirrors in which American voters have found themselves since Trump exploded onto the political scene.


    Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, was forced to resign after information became public about his ties to pro-Kremlin leaders in Ukraine, which Putin invaded in 2014. Russian Foreign Ministry officials boasted in the press about their contacts with Trump's camp. Putin sent Trump a telegram after his election congratulating him on his win and reciprocating the overtures he had made about healing the relationship between the two nations.


    Trump Denies Allegations In Unverified Report On Secret Ties, Collusion With Russia : The Two-Way : NPR

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    The moderator is deleting my posts debunking and making fun one of the claims about trump being compromised in using prostitutes for golden showers. This is why you are held in contempt by a lot of people. Sad behavior, pretty and small, but exactly what you would expect from a libtard.

    It is a meme made up in reddit. Now being circulated in a cia report. This is the standard of the allegations against trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longway
    The moderator is deleting my posts
    Getting mine too, over a couple of political threads, that are completely above board.

    Its super clear that someone is manipulating the report button to favor their agenda, while selectively leaving their own.

    Just a matter of time before this one is removed too.

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    The question no one seems to asking; who benefits from keeping the hostilties and aggression towards Russia alive?

    Didn't ya 'll learn anything from the whole Iraq war, WMD mega-fiasco which has destroyed so many lives and continues to this day....jeezers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by longway
    The moderator is deleting my posts debunking and making fun one of the claims about trump being compromised in using prostitutes for golden showers.
    You post up a lot of garbage. Fake news bullshit should be deleted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    This is still breaking news. If even one of those turns out to be true he is done. If they all turn out to be true he is on his way to prison.
    Very serious stuff indeed but we can't rush to judgment yet. All these events have a political dimension that should be left out of the investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    You post up a lot of garbage. Fake news bullshit should be deleted.
    It is funny how he picks and chooses.

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    Putin is well meshed with organized crime and Trump likely is as well with all his casino holdings. Those two are joined at the hip, but hopefully someone is looking hard at what Russia's long game is all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert
    Very serious stuff indeed but we can't rush to judgment yet. All these events have a political dimension that should be left out of the investigation.
    First bit of real logic that I've seen in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thailazer View Post
    Putin is well meshed with organized crime and Trump likely is as well with all his casino holdings. Those two are joined at the hip, but hopefully someone is looking hard at what Russia's long game is all about.
    Right... as if the big "Russia Boogieman" narrative doesn't directly benefit USA military industry and a deeply entrenched US inteligence community.

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    This story is going to be a steady drip, drip, drip for a long time. It will not go away in one news cycle. It is going to sit like a black cloud over Trump's presidency and he is certain to try and exploit by blaming his usual nemises; namely the media and the Clintons. But any way he tries to slice it, it will certainly be a huge negative for him.
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