Thread: President Donald Trump

Trump outlines 'humanitarian crisis' at border while Dems stay in denial


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I'm having fun with that but they are deleting some of my comments.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Not senile at at all by paying more for goods and or services the working class is helping pay those corporate taxes. Sorry you weren’t sharp enough to grasp that concept.

But that's not what you said though. Raising prices is not equivalent to raising taxes. I was part of a board room and know the factors that go into raising prices, what you are arguing is an over simplification.

Originally Posted by Humbert

But that's not what you said though. Raising prices is not equivalent to raising taxes. I was part of a board room and know the factors that go into raising prices, what you are arguing is an over simplification.

But it that is exactly what will happen,and that is exactly what I was saying. How is the working class paying more to corporations because of higher taxes not equivalent to the working class paying those taxes.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

But it that is exactly what will happen,and that is exactly what I was saying

if that's true, what's gonna be the result of the latest tax cuts for businesses?

Originally Posted by uncle junior

if that's true, what's gonna be the result of the latest tax cuts for businesses?

Using Rpeter's rationale, prices for consumer goods will come down thereby making life easier for the workers.

Yeah, that's going to happen :/

Originally Posted by Humbert

Because it is not a simple matter of cause and effect as you seem to believe. And your inability to communicate your position only paints you into an indefensible position. A common trait amongst Trumpanzees: Believe the simpliest most emotional argument and then dig in despite being presented with actual facts.

Bla bla bla, your inability to comprehend is the problem,if I wanted to put it out in straight up terms I would have,and I got exactly what I was looking for, proof of how dense you really are.
You have presented no actual facts,you are the one who is digging in trying to save face and you are failing big time.

Originally Posted by uncle junior

if that's true, what's gonna be the result of the latest tax cuts for businesses?

Time me will tell. Seems a lot of corporate money stored for years off shore is returning,manufacturing is up,wages are growing,but I predict as usual the corporate greed will be the winner. This is what I have been saying all along,the corporations always come out on top.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Using Rpeter's rationale, prices for consumer goods will come down thereby making life easier for the workers.

Yeah, that's going to happen :/

Where did I say that,I am saying that in the end corporations will always come out on top. Get a tax brake make more money loose that tax break make more money,win win for the corporations.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

the corporate greed will be the winner.

So no real benefit to anyone except members of the board......meanwhile the middle class is shrinking and a big percentage of Americans are living pay check to pay check without adequate health insurance........pretty lame argument you got there.........by your logic, the only positive result to lower taxes for businesses is that higher cost of US made goods won't be attributed to higher corporate taxes.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Using Rpeter's rationale, prices for consumer goods will come down thereby making life easier for the workers.

Yeah, that's going to happen :/

You are using flawed logic,you left out the corporate greed factor.

Originally Posted by uncle junior

So no real benefit to anyone except members of the board......meanwhile the middle class is shrinking and a big percentage of Americans are living pay check to pay check without adequate health insurance........pretty lame argument you got there.........by your logic, the only positive result to lower taxes for businesses is that higher cost of US made goods won't be attributed to higher corporate taxes.

Flawed logic you have as along with Mannam you fail to insert the corporate greed factor. It makes no difference what the scenario is it will always be win win for the corporations.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Flawed logic you have as along with Mannam you fail to insert the corporate greed factor. It makes no difference what the scenario is it will always be win win for the corporations.

my post was based on the corporate greed factor......it's always win/win for the corporates cuz numbnutz like you keep buying the hype you're being sold by the people doing the winning......meanwhile you're losing your spending power and paying higher taxes so big banks and Exxon etc. can give themselves hundred million dollar annual bonuses.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You have presented no actual facts,you

I will explain it again because you are learning impaired.

Raising prices is the least effective method of dealing with taxation. Raising prices SUPRESSES sales. Corporations have numerous ways to offset increased tax expense. They seek alternative cheaper suppliers, they can lower operating expenses, they can re-balance inventories. THE LAST RESORT IS TO PASS THE EXPENSE ON TO THE CONSUMER. THAT IS A FACT YOU DENSE MORON.

some of you may have already seen this, but....

there was a 1950s tv show in the US called 'trackdown' about the texas rangers. on one episode, a grifter named trump (seriously) showed up in a small town and said that a cataclysmic event would happen soon but that he could protect everyone in the town by building a wall (seriously).

here is a brief bit of the episode....and this was a real episode...it's not something that was manipulated recently...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

You are using flawed logic,you left out the corporate greed factor.

You keep banging on about corporate greed but you support that party that does everything it can to enable them with tax cuts, deregulation, legal protections, etc.

And yet for reasons beyond understanding, you accuse other people of "flawed logic"!

Originally Posted by uncle junior

my post was based on the corporate greed factor......it's always win/win for the corporates cuz numbnutz like you keep buying the hype you're being sold by the people doing the winning......meanwhile you're losing your spending power and paying higher taxes so big banks and Exxon etc. can give themselves hundred million dollar annual bonuses.

What hype am I buying, the lower corporate tax rate hype or the higher corporate tax rate hype,I have clearly stated I have faith in neither. The only way I see any success in controlling corporate greed is more government control,personally I will take my chances with less government control not only on corporations but in all facets of life. As for the low tax high tax issue I will go with the lower tax at least that gives the opportunity for the corporations to share the savings with the working class although I have no faith that will happen.

Originally Posted by raycarey

there was a 1950s tv show in the US called 'trackdown'

Good stuff! Don't remember the show but I think that was Robert Culp playing the lead character.

Originally Posted by Humbert

I will explain it again because you are learning impaired.

Raising prices is the least effective method of dealing with taxation. Raising prices SUPRESSES sales. Corporations have numerous ways to offset increased tax expense. They seek alternative cheaper suppliers, they can lower operating expenses, they can re-balance inventories. THE LAST RESORT IS TO PASS THE EXPENSE ON TO THE CONSUMER. THAT IS A FACT YOU DENSE MORON.

All of the options you have suggested are a detriment to the working class. Cheaper suppliers usually means looking to third world countries,hence lower U.S. employment.Lowering operating costs usually hits the working class first ie. aoutomation,lowering the work force. The problem you seem to be having with digesting the fact that higher corporate tax rates hurts the working class is your one dimensional thinking. There are many ways the effect rolls right on down to the working class.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Flawed logic

Originally Posted by RPETER65

The only way I see any success in controlling corporate greed is more government control,personally I will take my chances with less government control

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I will go with the lower tax at least that gives the opportunity for the corporations to share the savings with the working class although I have no faith that will happen.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You keep banging on about corporate greed but you support that party that does everything it can to enable them with tax cuts, deregulation, legal protections, etc.

And yet for reasons beyond understanding, you accuse other people of "flawed logic"!

Unfortunately the U.S. has a two party political system limiting my options. Having said that there are so many reasons for supporting a particular party not just the economy. As I believe the economy will continue to roll on regardless of the party in power and I believe in less government intrusion into our lives I am forced to go,for the time being,with the Republican Party. Believe me if there was a viable alternative I would be there.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Good stuff! Don't remember the show but I think that was Robert Culp playing the lead character.

Why is that good stuff it’s pure fiction?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I believe in less government intrusion into our lives

...agree: abolish abortion restrictions and let women decide for themselves...

Originally Posted by tomcat

...agree: abolish abortion restrictions and let women decide for themselves...

Of course he meant don't let the government legislate to force shops to serve gay people, don't let the government restrict gun ownership, and don't make it a hate crime when LGBT people are lynched.