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Old 24-06-2016, 04:39 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Seriously? That is so naive as to be almost criminally stupid.

BTW have you noticed Two-Gun Farage's immediate U-Turn on the 350m for the NHS? As an intellectual follower of the news how the feel about having been lied to?
God ! You don't half talk some rubbish, don't you ? Please try to restrict yourself to relevant facts when addressing a particular issue. The slogan on the "battle bus" is of no relevance whatever to this woman's murder. Are you intoxicated ? I hope so.

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Seriously? That is so naive as to be almost criminally stupid. BTW have you noticed Two-Gun Farage's immediate U-Turn on the 350m for the NHS? As an intellectual follower of the news how the feel about having been lied to?
God ! You don't half talk some rubbish, don't you ? Please try to restrict yourself to relevant facts when addressing a particular issue. The slogan on the "battle bus" is of no relevance whatever to this woman's murder. .
Never said it was, strange that a news-following intellectual such as yourself should see something that's clearly not there.

So, back to the question. How do you feel about being lied to over the 350m? Are you able to answer?
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So, back to the question. How do you feel about being lied to over the 350m? Are you able to answer?
Yes, I don't care if people lie to me, it's what people do. I am sufficiently well educated and intelligent to understand that the figure was inaccurate, just like the majority of people in the UK. You, on the other hand, might have been duped by it appearing on a bus. That's perfectly understandable. The sad thing about democracy is that you have one vote, just like me.
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Early days yet, all the doom and gloom about the EU punishing the UK
Isn't it rather that the Brits will lose trading etc. privileges when leaving the EU? If you like to call that 'punishment', then it's entirely self-inflicted.
As has continually been pointed out, UK/EU trade is in favour of the EU. Any barriers such as tariffs imposed by the EU would be reciprocated. The cliches of German cars and French wine/cheeses being suddenly withdrawn from the UK market would only result in the UK seeking other trading partners, with their ability to do that no longer constrained by the EU trading cartel. There would be pain on both sides, however I personally don't believe that anyone wants that, and a compromise will be achieved. Mutual market access will continue.

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Isn't it rather that the UK is re-introducing barriers as a consequence of Brexit? There will again be borders with costly customs clearance & delays to start with, got nothing to do with any imaginary 'punishment' by the EU or feared tariffs.

It's like you're shooting yourself in the foot and trying to suggest it's someone else's fault if it hurts.
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Saw a piece about that very thing in Ireland. Irish folk not happy at all.
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For all the back slapping, it's not done yet, Cameron going could well be the first step to calling an election, voiding the referendum results.

Heads my roll, but these people want their decisions followed not the peoples .

The referendum cannot be voided as a result of a General Election. Any elected government would be bound by the result of the referendum.
Already been covered on here, new election, new government has a mandate for it's policy's.
It's the Westminster system, for the result to stand the winning party has to support the result.
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Old 24-06-2016, 05:28 PM   #83 (permalink)
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is this true ?
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Already been covered on here, new election, new government has a mandate for it's policy's.
It's the Westminster system, for the result to stand the winning party has to support the result.

Sorry, Jim, but the discussions here have not been well informed ones. It is clear that very few have studied Constitutional Law. If they had they would know that the referendum cannot be overturned as easily as that. The country has spoken on a specific issue and not a range of topics. there is no doubt that British people wish to leave Europe and is a political impossibility to change it.

It is possible, in the years to come, long after you and I are dead, that some sort of union with Europe may happen but not for a long, long time.
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This exit will not happen quickly, French election next Spring, German elections the following Autumn.
EU will not make concessions to the UK that compromise the existing rules for members.
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is this true ?

Flooding closed some polling stations but nobody was prevented from voting. So, as usual, some muppet is making things up.
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is this true ?
Not really. The actual turnout % in London/South East was no different than the rest of the UK.
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A lot of uncertainty ahead for high street banks, as all our armed robbers come back from Spain.

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can123, under the Westminster system a referendum is only advisory, there is no legal obligation to comply with the result.

It has to pass parliament before any action is taken, that then makes it a political decision, if PMs agree with the result, it goes through, if not, it doesn't.

Whether they will agree or not, no idea, but they could call a new election to save face.

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A lot of uncertainty ahead for high street banks, as all our armed robbers come back from Spain.

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Very few who went to the polls understood the ramifications of their vote - whichever way they decided.

The feeling here at the moment is very much one of: oh bugger, I wish I hadn't done that.
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Is that the feeling of everyone at the bar?
Maybe Wetherstones will have to increase their prices!
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Umm , people lying to you IS people doing something, what they are doing is lying.
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. I am sufficiently well educated and intelligent
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Yes, I don't care if people lie to me, it's what people do. I am sufficiently well educated and intelligent to understand that the figure was inaccurate
Do you think those two sentences show you as being anything other than a fool?
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There seems to be a lot of hysteria and fear mongering at the moment, maybe this will ease peoples concerns.

Below is the statement issued by the Bank of England governor, Mark Carney, following the EU referendum result:

The people of the United Kingdom have voted to leave the European Union.
Inevitably, there will be a period of uncertainty and adjustment following this result.
There will be no initial change in the way our people can travel, in the way our goods can move or the way our services can be sold.
And it will take some time for the United Kingdom to establish new relationships with Europe and the rest of the world.
Some market and economic volatility can be expected as this process unfolds.
But we are well prepared for this. The Treasury and the Bank of England have engaged in extensive contingency planning and the chancellor and I have been in close contact, including through the night and this morning.
The Bank will not hesitate to take additional measures as required as those markets adjust and the UK economy moves forward.
These adjustments will be supported by a resilient UK financial system - one that the Bank of England has consistently strengthened over the last seven years.
The capital requirements of our largest banks are now ten times higher than before the crisis.
The Bank of England has stress tested them against scenarios more severe than the country currently faces.
As a result of these actions, UK banks have raised over 130bn of capital, and now have more than 600bn of high quality liquid assets.
Why does this matter?
This substantial capital and huge liquidity gives banks the flexibility they need to continue to lend to UK businesses and households, even during challenging times.
Moreover, as a backstop, and to support the functioning of markets, the Bank of England stands ready to provide more than 250bn of additional funds through its normal facilities.
The Bank of England is also able to provide substantial liquidity in foreign currency, if required.
We expect institutions to draw on this funding if and when appropriate, just as we expect them to draw on their own resources as needed in order to provide credit, to support markets and to supply other financial services to the real economy.
In the coming weeks, the Bank will assess economic conditions and will consider any additional policy responses.
Conclusion
A few months ago, the Bank judged that the risks around the referendum were the most significant, near-term domestic risks to financial stability.
To mitigate them, the Bank of England has put in place extensive contingency plans.
These begin with ensuring that the core of our financial system is well-capitalised, liquid and strong.
This resilience is backed up by the Bank of England's liquidity facilities in sterling and foreign currencies.
All these resources will support orderly market functioning in the face of any short-term volatility.
The Bank will continue to consult and co-operate with all relevant domestic and international authorities to ensure that the UK financial system can absorb any stresses and can concentrate on serving the real economy.
That economy will adjust to new trading relationships that will be put in place over time.
It is these public and private decisions that will determine the UK's long-term economic prospects.
The best contribution of the Bank of England to this process is to continue to pursue relentlessly our responsibilities for monetary and financial stability.
These are unchanged.
We have taken all the necessary steps to prepare for today's events.
In the future we will not hesitate to take any additional measures required to meet our responsibilities as the United Kingdom moves forward.

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Cameron's promise of a referen'dum' got him elected by supporters of other parties
which gave them their only hope of an exit.
Shot himself in the foot. Now he's crying.

Can Ireland now have its Independence as majority in the north voted to remain.
Scotland looking at the issue of Scotxit again.

Still, Europe has woken up this morning to alarm bells.
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there is no doubt that British people wish to leave Europe
Well, just over 50% of those who voted.
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Yep.
But that's 'democracy'.
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Do you think those two sentences show you as being anything other than a fool?
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You seem to believe everything which is written on buses, so who is the fool here ?
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can123, under the Westminster system a referendum is only advisory, there is no legal obligation to comply with the result.

It has to pass parliament before any action is taken, that then makes it a political decision, if PMs agree with the result, it goes through, if not, it doesn't.

Whether they will agree or not, no idea, but they could call a new election to save face.

EU referendum: is the Brexit result legally binding? | The Week UK

Total red herring ! It would be political suicide to ignore the clear result of the referendum and your hypothesis will not come to fruition. No room for Mel Gibson-like conspiracy theories in British politics.
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You seem to believe everything which is written on buses, so who is the fool here ?
If your intention is to be 'clever' or show how intelligent you are, you're failing miserably.

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There will again be borders with costly customs clearance & delays
Saw a piece about that very thing in Ireland. Irish folk not happy at all.
I doubt that there'll be a return to the old closed border system with multiple checkpoints and patrols again.

Both governments of Ireland and N. Ireland don't want that, and the controls in place now have worked well, so why change them.

Most of the negative flap pushed around by the Remain campaign is just that, flap.
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