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Old 17-07-2017, 06:16 PM   #6126 (permalink)
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A food crisis? Which lower end rag did you get that drivel from simple Sybil?
What he means is that there is absolutely no mechanism in force protecting British consumers or regulating food production within the UK to replace the EU framework which will cease to have effect after I believe in 2020, you dozy brexshit muppet. But the recurring theme of the Tory party's disorganised approach to dismantling the EU membership means that no one has yet thought to prepare for it. At all. Da Nada. Nothing. Just another big nono. A fat zero. Ne rien. 80% of our fresh produce comes from foreign markets but of course Boris thinks we can just import it all from those nice clean, honest, hygienic Indians/Asians?Africans/South Americans on the strength of a telex or email which confirms its all good.

This has to be the worst British government sleepwalking into the worst economic and social disaster since Neville Chamberlain.
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Old 17-07-2017, 06:22 PM   #6128 (permalink)
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That isn't a logical conclusion.
If that's supposed to challenge anything I've posted in the last hour or so, then you were right to attack me personally instead.
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I assume you're drunk, gobby and angry after happy hour again, just like the old days.

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Old 17-07-2017, 06:25 PM   #6129 (permalink)
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Because the food standards agency in the UK doesn't actually exist, you dozy twat. Also you are aware of what the great repeal bill actually is I presume?
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Probably another source that you don't like because it's telling you something you don't want to hear.

Brexit could cause food disruption ?unprecedented for an advanced economy outside of wartime? | Business Insider Singapore

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Probably another source that you don't like because it's telling you something you don't want to hear.

Brexit could cause food disruption ?unprecedented for an advanced economy outside of wartime? | Business Insider Singapore

Christ you get more tedious by the day, I thought we were past the days of project fear, why would there be food disruption from EU imports, oh that's right there won't be.
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Because when the British reciprocate the tariffs imposed by the EU on imported British agricultural produce after Britain leaves the single market and common tariff regime, the prices will rise by 30%, you thickheaded Brexit moron.

Why, oh why, are you people so dense?
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Because when the British reciprocate the tariffs imposed by the EU on imported British agricultural produce after Britain leaves the single market and common tariff regime, the prices will rise by 30%, you thickheaded Brexit moron.

Why, oh why, are you people so dense?
Why do you continue to believe any shit you read in the guardian. 30% of our food come from the EU, food prices from outside the EU will come down when we are out of the customs union and don't have to impose EU tariffs on non EU produce. And if you believe the EU is going to start imposing large tariffs on UK produce then you've been even more brainwashed than I thought. You remoaners really are dumb as fuk.
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You really are paddling way out of your depth.
We as the EU have established a stable regime developed over the past 40 odd years culminating in the low prices that have been maintained and fuelled by agreements with world suppliers at rates advantageous to all parties e.g. the EU is the third largest trading market for Australia, after China and Japan, which exports over £14 billions worth of mineral and agricultural products to the Union.
The default hard Brexit/WTO scenario will result in a 10% tariff on manufactured goods but up to 30% on agricultural products.
Britain imports over 80% of its fresh produce needs, most of which comes from the EU.
Figure out the shocks to the British system for yourself, mofo.
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It's a bit like blaming a bouncer in a nightclub after throwing yourself out.
hardly. its more like the bouncer expecting you to buy him and the other staff members, and a few of the patrons too, a drink every night for the next six months after you left.



the only way round this is to apply for admission to the eea for a 7 year transition, the norway option. trade would be safeguarded at the expense of free movement.

no worries though, because free movement will be severely curtailed within the next 2 or 3 years as the economic migrant problems hit.
7 year transmission? why 7 years?

don't think you have got this UK---->EEA biy quite right, but why 7 years?
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You really are paddling way out of your depth.
We as the EU have established a stable regime developed over the past 40 odd years culminating in the low prices that have been maintained and fuelled by agreements with world suppliers at rates advantageous to all parties e.g. the EU is the third largest trading market for Australia, after China and Japan, which exports over £14 billions worth of mineral and agricultural products to the Union.
The default hard Brexit/WTO scenario will result in a 10% tariff on manufactured goods but up to 30% on agricultural products.
Britain imports over 80% of its fresh produce needs, most of which comes from the EU.
Figure out the shocks to the British system for yourself, mofo.
Ah that old myth about low prices and why would that be maybe because we pay a fuk load in taxes to subsidise farmers you have heard of the CAP I presume you clueless moron. You don't live in the UK so why the fuk do you care where the UK gets its food from or how much it costs, that's right you don't, all you care about is the exchange rate well get used to it as the £ has been over valued for years and is now at a more realistic level. Tough I know for you old boys with just a meagre state pension to get by on, but we can't all be winners.
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You really are an ignorant moron. In order to introduce stability into the agricultural industry and to prevent cycles of feast or famine with wildly fluctuating prices the British government, like most others in the developed world, intervened in the market place by manipulating the supply according to demand. This was achieved through subsidies and grants e.g. dairy herd, beef cow, hill sheep and hill cow, all schemes administered by the MAFF. The CAP simply replaced that model and works efficiently as demonstrated by the stability of supply and maintenance of prices.
The UK spent around £9 billions in annual membership fee which helped to fund the scheme. In return we were given unfettered access to a market place of 450 millions.
By leaving the EU and the single market and common tariff regime we will be regressing 43 years but will still be subsiding our agricultural industry through £ billions of grants except we will have fucked up access to the biggest market available on our very own fucking doorstep.

You Brexit folk are truly the dumbest.
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Does it fuk work efficiently you clueless buffoon, farmers being paid for empty fields, over production of some produce with a guaranteed price. The CAP hasn't been fit for purpose for over 20 years but it's your French friends who resist any change to it as they are the main beneficiary from the scam. The CAP is one of the main reasons Africa is still in poverty. You really are a brainwashed clueless fukwit.
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all you care about is the exchange rate well get used to it as the £ has been over valued for years and is now at a more realistic level.
You gormless fuck, the fucking exchange rate depended on a value priced by the fucking market. The "realistic" rate is the fucking rate it's priced at. For the past 20 years it has been anchored to a spread of $1.50 - $1.60 as a median because that was the rate the traders set the market at. The day the Brexshit verdict was returned was the day the market decided for myriad sound reasons, the UK had fucked itself and devalued the £ accordingly and not because a bunch of guys around a computer terminal suddenly and contemporaneously decided that " gosh, the £ is over valued, let's reduce it because it would be fun".

The "reality" is that the markets know Brexit is shit and therefore the £ is now worth shit.

It really is quite amusing the number of fuckheads who come up with this shit that the £ has been overvalued as if the fucking economy hasn't changed since 1985. In truth, the £ is only valued at the current low level because of Brexit and for no other reason. If common sense were to prevail and the madness was kicked into touch it would be back to $1.50 in a day.

You moron.
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Does it fuk work efficiently you clueless buffoon, farmers being paid for empty fields, over production of some produce with a guaranteed price. The CAP hasn't been fit for purpose for over 20 years but it's your French friends who resist any change to it as they are the main beneficiary from the scam. The CAP is one of the main reasons Africa is still in poverty. You really are a brainwashed clueless fukwit.
You fucking idiot, what the fuck do you understand by intervention boards?

The MAFF subsidised UK agriculture by £300 million through grants and subsidy in 1971. Using the inflation calculator we're looking at around £3 billions in today's money.

You are truly one ignorant moron.
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It's like talking to a 5 year old who keeps going off on a tangent when yet again he's shown not to have a clue what he's talking about, ignores the main points and just spouts irrelevant drivel, rinse and repeat.
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I don't understand your dribblings. You have complained that the CAP does not function and imply that the UK is saddled with unnecessary subsidies as a consequence. The UK CAP contribution is around £3.8 billions annually. As I have already stated, the inflation adjusted subsidies paid to the British farmer in 1971 by the government through the MAFF amounted to around £3 billions.

I know this is difficult for you because you are an idiot but I think even you will now agree that the difference between the cost of CAP funding and that of subsidising our own British farming industry going by historical data is negligible and not an issue.

It is however important to note that many Brexshit morons actually think there will be a pot of gold for the British working man when we leave the EU because he has stupidly believed the bilge he has been spoon fed by the Tory/Kipper nut jobs.

There isn't. The amount we have paid to the EU CAP in subsidies will be similar to what will have to be paid after the UK leaves. If it isn't forthcoming then the British farmer is indeed in for a hard time.

You gormless retard.
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Meanwhile the clock is ticking and the UK still has no contingency plan for a hard brexit. The thought is too unbearable, economically, for anyone to contemplate.

At least it provides another example of just how dangerous referendums can be, especially when neither side is bothering to persuade with factual arguments.

The irony is that when the tough times come the EU citizens will move home and make it even tougher.
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Meanwhile the clock is ticking and the UK still has no contingency plan for a hard brexit. The thought is too unbearable, economically, for anyone to contemplate.
I don't see how you can possibly know that for a fact.
It is to be hoped that there is a plan, especially after the government was surprised by the referendum result.

Perhaps I am being naive, but it appears that the government would be foolish to go public with any plans that would hand the negotiating initiative to the EU.
Assuming of course that there is a plan?

I'm sure you are too smart to be led down the seeking asylum path of fixed and rather unsettlingly wild opinions.
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Brexit: A view from Germany
The EU will be the only loser if it plays games over Britain's departure

Markus Krall

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/...-from-germany/

Dr Markus Krall is a managing director in Goetzpartners’ Frankfurt office and heads the Financial Institutions Industry Group.

‘This is not about punishing Great Britain,’ declared Sigmar Gabriel, Germany’s interim foreign secretary, on his recent visit to London. I fell about laughing, because this is precisely what’s going on. It is as obvious to us Germans as it is to the Brits: the EU cannot tolerate the thought of a successful United Kingdom outside the Brussels sphere of influence because, if that were allowed to happen, others might dare to start thinking about leaving the club too.

Everything we hear from Brussels flows from this. The EU presents itself as a champion of free trade, especially when its leaders are attacking Donald Trump, yet it does all it can to slow down, complicate and generally frustrate a free trade deal with the UK, the world’s fifth-largest economy. It talks as if keeping open borders with Britain is a great gift from the EU, rather than, of course, an arrangement of mutual benefit to consumers of all countries. Would the EU dare to enter trade negotiations in Washington, Tokyo or Beijing and demand payments for allowing access to EU markets? Why does it take this approach with Britain?

In Britain, it might seem that the EU embodies the mood of Europe — miffed at Brexit and determined to take a tough line. Don’t be fooled. The EU is unpopular in so much of Europe precisely because it does not speak for the people it purports to represent. The idea of a €100 billion ‘leaving bill’ seems as extortionate in Berlin as it does in Birmingham: why would Britain want to carry on making huge financial transfers to Brussels when these were one of the main reasons for wanting to leave? Quite apart from anything else, a British government which agreed to such an outrageous bill would surely be neglecting its fiduciary duties to its people.

‘The four freedoms of the common market are indivisible,’ the EU grandly declares — but this is self-evident nonsense. Do we seriously believe there can be no free trade in goods without also accepting the right of migrants, of varying levels of skills, to settle in one’s country and gain access to welfare? No free trade deal that the EU has negotiated with other countries makes any such demand — and for good reason: no country would entertain it. The assertion is preposterous, as the British voters calmly declared on 23 June last year.

Michel Barnier and his team try so hard to present the argument that the UK needs the EU more than vice versa. It is an arrogance which flies in the face of the evidence: that the rest of the EU runs a €120 billion-a-year trade surplus with Britain and that three times as many EU workers are resident in Britain than British workers are resident in the EU. Why would the EU want to put this at risk? Because being seen to punish Britain is a bigger priority than maintaining the health of your export industries.

Then comes the warning that making a Brexit deal with Britain will be difficult because it will involve the renegotiation of 30,000 regulations — working out at an impossible rate of 40 per day for the two-year duration of the Brexit talks. Barnier’s team seems not to appreciate that in trying to put across this point it is making an involuntary confession that the EU has flooded the continent with so many regulations, laws, executive orders and decrees that it has become impossible to comply with the law. As Winston Churchill said: ‘If you have 10,000 regulations, you destroy all respect for the law.’ Jean-Claude Juncker’s minions have exceeded this total by a factor of three.

This is one of the reasons that the EU has made itself so unpopular and why some want to leave. But the EU in its arrogance can’t see it. There is an efficient shortcut to the Brexit negotiations: do not negotiate every single paragraph of each and every regulation, but abolish them in large numbers, on both sides of the Channel.

The EU’s negotiators are approaching the Brexit talks like a game of chicken. As far as they are concerned, the one who first blinks will lose. The enemies in this game are not just the insubordinate secessionist rebels in London, but all countries and political forces toying with the thought of following their example — or even just those who dare to remind the EU of the principle of subsidiarity: the idea that nation states are, where possible, supposed to govern themselves.

Theresa May insists that she wants friendship, cooperation and alignment with Europe to the advantage of both sides. She comes across as genuine when she says, ‘We want to continue being Europe’s best friends.’ And this, of course, is dangerous: if European nations can be friends and trade freely without the need to accept edicts from Brussels, then what’s the power of Brussels? Why put up with Juncker, Barnier and friends? When Boris Johnson warned the EU against seeking to administer ‘punishment beatings’ to Britain as if in ‘some world war two movie’ the EU reacted with fury — because there was so much truth in the Foreign Secretary’s analysis.

The EU is taking a risk, here. It is treating the Brexit talks as an opportunity to show other EU member states what happens to those who dare to leave. Might it frighten countries into staying, or heighten concerns about what it is becoming? The negotiators on the EU side of the table interpret the Prime Minister’s friendliness as weakness and start to express ever more impossible demands while using every opportunity to speak of ‘Britain’s historic mistake’.

To a great many of Britain’s friends, looking in from abroad, Brexit doesn’t look like a mistake. Instead, Britain looks like a country that has dared not to accept the unacceptable, and in doing so it poses a question to its European neighbours. What do we want to be? A prison of peoples keeping its inmates inside by threat of sanctions? Or a community of free peoples binding its members through an attractive proposition and renewing this promise every day with democratic governance, transparency, performance and fairness? On the continent, we behave as if option two is not possible. But if we continue to act like this, then there might be no one left in the club.
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Old 18-07-2017, 09:28 AM   #6147 (permalink)
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my thoughts too,

and I do not understand the penultimate paragraph,
what does it really say?

"The EU is taking a risk, here. It is treating the Brexit talks as an opportunity to show other EU member states what happens to those who dare to leave. Might it frighten countries into staying, or heighten concerns about what it is becoming? The negotiators on the EU side of the table interpret the Prime Minister’s friendliness as weakness and start to express ever more impossible demands while using every opportunity to speak of ‘Britain’s historic mistake’."

The member states are taking a risk, here.
The member states are treating the Brexit talks as an opportunity to show
other member states what happens to member states who dare to leave.

doesn't make an awfull lot of sense to me
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"A view from Germany" my arse.

Just another economics consultant working in the reinsurance business writing a fluff piece for a Tory rag which acts as Tory Central Office's PR mouthpiece. He is a shill writing to order - loved the bit about how Theresa May is a nice person who comes across as genuine, a fine illustrative piece of economic analysis penetrating the Gordian knot of Brexit issues.

" Ja, it is right that the EU vill lose most if der Englander leaves mit no deal, Ja!" is even more amusing given the UK's trade with the EU amounts to 14% of its GDP whereas the proportion of EU'S trade with der klein Englander is but 3% of its combined GDP

It is plainly propaganda planted by Simon Heffer/Tory party using a tame proxy. Crude, really, and as convincing as the notion that Hitler is alive and well living in Paraguay. Not surprising the unsophisticated of TD should post it as some insightful piece.

Indeed, even the title is a setup, as if a piece from a marginal economist constitutes " A view from Germany " .

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Old 18-07-2017, 10:25 AM   #6150 (permalink)
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