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Old 20-04-2017, 12:49 PM   #5376 (permalink)
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Brexit is not a disaster for Europe, it's a liberation

you guys are over-estimating your importance, you silly Walter Milly
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FFS that's the most desperate brave face attempt ever.
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Old 20-04-2017, 12:59 PM   #5378 (permalink)
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FFS that's the most desperate brave face attempt ever.
oh the irony

some of the arguments you guys are promoting for Brexit are beyond desperate
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Old 20-04-2017, 01:01 PM   #5379 (permalink)
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btw, where is Seeking Asylum ? I miss his input, at least he had style

probably got bored of arguing with Chavs and the hordes of English Walter Milly supporting Therese May
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Old 20-04-2017, 01:04 PM   #5380 (permalink)
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AN EU WITHOUT GREAT BRITAIN IS DOOMED, AND GERMANY WOULD BE THE BIGGEST LOSER
by Hans-Olaf Henkel

The EU, and especially Germany, is still not able to comprehend the consequences of Brexit. The problem is not only that the EU is losing a net contributor to the budget but that Germany will pickup the largest part of the shortfall. The main problem is the wrong political direction which the policy in Europe would accelerate, namely centralisation, harmonisation and common debt.

Policy makers, who are advocates for an even closer union holding to a federal EU ideology, were witnesses of the downfall of the hastily implemented Euro and they could recognise that the Euro is a part of too much Europe. The Eurozone is the worst performing economic region in the world. However the total failure doesn’t bother Brussels - or so it seems. They fail to see the warning signs and continue without limits on integration, backing a wrong policy.

On the contrary the growing crisis, which Commission President Juncker labels a ‘polycrisis’ is wrongly seen as a chance to introduce steps to a closer union. With Brexit they have achieved their first big goal, to have an opponent removed. Now the way is free for a socialised EU and a more state controlled economy in France’s favour. The aim is a version of Europe built on claimed common interests as a dogma, not to increase wealth at all.

Why did France and German politicians prevent the merger of Airbus and BAE in 2012? They didn’t stand for a business driven integrated Europe. They wanted to have a very certain Europe, thereby introducing a hidden agenda. BAE is the total opposite of Airbus. Airbus is planned as a European Champion. It is a creation from industrial policy in response to the challenges of globalisation. BAE is a free enterprise with an international standing of its own. It’s not related to politics, so it is more open to international business.

Obviously the merger was a threat to the concept of the closer union with a stronger state. As a former supervisory board member of the German holding company of Airbus I was annoyed about this political decision. EU-ideology doesn’t support business. Many EU politicians just want to have more power. Business interests are a better bond than Brussels to keep countries together. But the power of economic success is not provided by the EU. Redistribution with funds and common liability is the new EU-agenda.

Surely a more integrated aviation and defence industry would be another precondition for the Brexit. Especially it would be another precondition for the defence union. Now the defence union is a a toothless tiger, it will be a pure state project without basis.

It’s clear we now have a different union from the one Britain joined over 40 years ago. The rules have changed from the principles of subsidiarity and competitiveness to centralisation and harmonisation. So it’s not that Britain is leaving the EU, the EU is leaving Britain. Violating the rules of the Maastricht Treaty were the first steps in this downfall leading to the rise of populism. Eurobonds and a European Treasury Department would be the next. The British Prime Minister, Theresa May has come to the only logical conclusion: embracing Brexit to boost the competitiveness of her country.

Likely the liberal minded and business-oriented Britain will have a better trade deal with the US, in place earlier than the incapacitated EU. Not only the Brexiteers are to blame for Brexit. The EU has become incapacitated, and without this handicap Great Britain can continue to be the pragmatic voice of reason negotiating a successful business future.

http://theconservative.online/articl...e_biggest_lose

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btw, where is Seeking Asylum ? I miss his input, at least he had style

probably got bored of arguing with Chavs and the hordes of English Walter Milly supporting Therese May
He is burnt out and having a lie down. It's not as easy as it seems managing twenty three multinicks and it can be very confusing for an elderly sausage smuggler to keep tabs on his persona from thread to thread.

He will return as soon as he realises that he has neglected this alter ego.
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that really doesn't sound like a desperate argument for Brexit
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that really doesn't sound like a desperate argument for Brexit
They'd probably invade the cheese eating surrender monkeys again, let's face it that's not difficult, is it?






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Why did France and German politicians prevent the merger of Airbus and BAE in 2012? They didnít stand for a business driven integrated Europe. They wanted to have a very certain Europe, thereby introducing a hidden agenda. BAE is the total opposite of Airbus. Airbus is planned as a European Champion. It is a creation from industrial policy in response to the challenges of globalisation. BAE is a free enterprise with an international standing of its own. Itís not related to politics, so it is more open to international business.

Obviously the merger was a threat to the concept of the closer union with a stronger state. As a former supervisory board member of the German holding company of Airbus I was annoyed about this political decision. EU-ideology doesnít support business. Many EU politicians just want to have more power. Business interests are a better bond than Brussels to keep countries together. But the power of economic success is not provided by the EU. Redistribution with funds and common liability is the new EU-agenda.
As someone who observed the merger very closely and had a personal interest in the outcome, I can tell you that this is complete and utter bollox. Merkel was not happy about a civil/defence merger, Germany was not happy about the percentages wrt stake-holders and many were not happy that a shit company could end up being the major partner. BAe are the pits and Preston is the middle of the fucking flat earth society that has a preponderance of fucking brexiteers attached. They are the epitome of everything that is wrong with UK management...an inverse pyramid style that turns shite into red roses as it goes up the chain.
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That explains why the US military buys so much from BAe.

Germany and Britain wanted less state involvement in EADS, France did not. France and Britain were happy for the end of Franco-German parity in share ownership, Germany was not. France and Germany could agree on retaining parity through buying more shares, Britain could not.
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That explains why the US military buys so much from BAe.
I think you'll find it's the other way round and causes so much headache, you wouldn't believe. ITAR and all that goes with it has cost BAe millions.
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It was a good example of EU national governments pulling in different directions and why the EU is a waste of time.
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Care to name an aircraft that BAe have ever designed?

Airbus don't need anything from BAe. They are a known as 'British waste of space' everywhere outside the UK.
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Care to name an aircraft that BAe have ever designed?

Airbus don't need anything from BAe. They are a known as 'British waste of space' everywhere outside the UK.
For a company with nearly £18 billion in revenue last year and employs tens of thousands of people, i'd hardly call them a waste of space.
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BAe owned a fifth of Airbus until a decade ago.

It has such a shameful history.







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Supermarine spitfire
Panavia Tornado (UK, Germany, Italy)
Hawker Siddeley Harrier
Aerospatiale/BAC Concorde (UK, France)

I don't see a BAe designed aircraft among them.

Try again
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I wasn't playing your silly game of naming anything, I was showing some beautiful photos that reflect BAe's history (especially the top one that gave our lovely Germans friends a kicking)

Try again. On second thoughts, don't bother.
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anyway, England self destruction in 10 9 8 7 ...
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anyway, England self destruction in 10 9 8 7 ...
As opposed to France where Le Pen is going to lead you into a glorious future.....
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I wasn't playing your silly game of naming anything, I was showing some beautiful photos that reflect BAe's history (especially the top one that gave our lovely Germans friends a kicking)
The world has moved on since the 1940's. I suggest you do too.
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Getting upset because I posted some heritage photo?
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No, I think he's just suggesting that you're a 'mired in the past' relic.
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What a fabulous way to sum up the EU

The Spitfire and EU are intertwined political relics best left in the 20th century.
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^ Interesting...

The Supermarine Spiteful variant of the Spitfire would be the equivalent of Brexit IMHO. Love the name as it sums up Brexiteers beautifully. BTW it ended up being a waste of money as it was superseded by events...

Anyway, enough of this rubbish

I enjoyed the joke about Ms May not wanting a TV debate because most of her core supporters still listen to the radio...

...and apparently Nige would win hands down if he decided to stand as an MP but thinks he's more useful as an MEP...

I stated my own opinion regards the calling of a GE earlier and I will state it again. Ms May needs to strengthen her hand in order to make compromises during the Brexit negotiations. She needs to convince the hard line Brexiteers that she really is on their side when she backs down on certain sections in order to ensure the UK doesn't end up on Desert Island discs with no ship sailing her way.

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I suspect it's the EU pension that Farage wants to keep.
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