Thread: Venezuela ticking time bomb !

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

The US doesn't care about Venezuela

???Doesn't care???

US imposes sanctions on Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro

The US government has branded Venezuela's President Nicolás Maduro "a dictator" and frozen any US assets, after he held a controversial poll.

Under the sanctions, US firms and individuals are banned from doing business with Mr Maduro.

Mr Maduro said the poll was a "vote for the revolution", saying "sanctions from the empire don't scare me".

"The emperor Donald Trump took decisions against me that show his desperation and hate," President Maduro said in a televised speech on Monday.

"I don't obey orders from foreign governments and never will... Sanction me as you wish, but the Venezuelan people have decided to be free and I am the independent president of a free nation."

The opposition coalition, which boycotted the election, said 88% of voters had abstained. It has refused to recognise the election. Electoral officials said the turnout was 41.5%.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

a controversial poll

Wondering what is "a controversial poll"?

On the press conference I watched live was a question: what is the difference to the recent poll in Turkey when Trump congratulated to Turkish president Erdogan?

For the answer of McMaster my poor English has not been enough...

Originally Posted by OhOh

The Venezuelan President, along with others, appear to have the law on their side regarding the recent vote. Al according to their own constitution.

Some ignore or suggest they don't have a written constitution which is the basis of each countries roots, history and moral behaviour.

"To counter the mainstream presstitute mass media slandering of Venezuela, calling the legitimate democratically elected President a dictator, and that the vote was illegitimate and against the present Venezuelan Constitution – lets explain upfront what the Constitution says

Article 347 of Venezuela’s constitution:
“The original constituent power rests with the people of Venezuela. This power may be exercised by calling a National Constituent Assembly for the purpose of transforming the State, creating a new juridical order and drawing up a new Constitution.”

Article 348 states
“(t)he initiative for calling a National Constituent Assembly may emanate from the President of the Republic sitting with the Cabinet of Ministers; from the National Assembly by a two-thirds vote of its members; from the Municipal Councils in open session, by a two-thirds vote of their members; and from 15% of the voters registered with the Civil and Electoral Registry.”

Article 349 states
“(t)he President of the Republic shall not have the power to object to the new Constitution. The existing constituted authorities shall not be permitted to obstruct the Constituent Assembly in any way.”

The process to vote for the ANC is complex but highly democratic. The 30 July election chose 545 members to the National Constituent Assembly, of which two thirds (364) were elected on a regional or territorial basis, and one third (181) by sectors of professions or activities, i.e. students, farmers, unions of different labor forces, employees, business owners – and so on. This cross-section of people’s representation is the most solid basis for democracy".

Some of course although they purport to accept International Law as their yardstick fail to include it in their own domestic law. Thus some, such as a previous UK PM, can escape prosecution for proven war crimes as the UK parliament has never included the relevant International Customary Law into the UK law book.



"It argues however that international law is only captured in UK Law when this is done specifically through an Act of Parliament. Indeed the judgement goes so far as to state:

“the clear principle that it is for Parliament to make such conduct criminal under domestic law. Parliament deliberately chose not to do so.”

This surely is problematic. The judgement states that the UK, deliberately, does not follow international law in its domestic law. So the UK is an institutionalised rogue state. Its internal arrangements allow its rulers, its armed forces and other actors to commit international crimes and flout international law with no fear of domestic repercussion as a matter of conscious choice."

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...ge-1/#comments


https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-cont...ates-court.pdf

Please stop bringing your irrelevant gibberish to this thread. I'm sure you can find somewhere else to whinge about Tony Blair, no c u n t likes him, including this one.

This issue here is a president elected on sentiment and populism attempting to take over a country via subterfuge, you know, like Putin did.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Sorry, Mame. I've only just seen the TB thread. I've copied it there and will delete it here.
I must not ......
I must not.......

You may want to look at your last post. It looks like double or triple pasting, just being helpful.

One wonders why Smartmatic has suddenly become pedantic about numbers. Presumably the Venezuelan government employed them to do a "professional" job.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

According to polling firm Datanalisis, more than 70 percent of Venezuelans oppose the new assembly.

That may be true, but, if they can't get off their arses and vote, it really is irrelevant.

Edited post for clarity.

Not quite sure why you think pointing out a discrepancy of 14% or more in the turnout is being "pedantic".

Maduro won the last election with 50.6% of the popular vote.

Edited my post #182, to include further thoughts. You may want to edit your reply to assist those that will try and understand your comments.

The Doctor would be useful in this instance, yes?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Edited my post #182, to include further thoughts. You may want to edit your reply to assist those that will try and understand your comments.

The Doctor would be useful in this instance, yes?

Sorry, but if all you can offer is incoherent rambling, I'd go and have a lie down if I were you.

^As you are well aware, The Doctor can go back in time and change history.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

The US doesn't care about Venezuela

???Doesn't care???

US imposes sanctions on Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro

The US government has branded Venezuela's President Nicolás Maduro "a dictator" and frozen any US assets, after he held a controversial poll.

Under the sanctions, US firms and individuals are banned from doing business with Mr Maduro.

Mr Maduro said the poll was a "vote for the revolution", saying "sanctions from the empire don't scare me".

"The emperor Donald Trump took decisions against me that show his desperation and hate," President Maduro said in a televised speech on Monday.

"I don't obey orders from foreign governments and never will... Sanction me as you wish, but the Venezuelan people have decided to be free and I am the independent president of a free nation."

The opposition coalition, which boycotted the election, said 88% of voters had abstained. It has refused to recognise the election. Electoral officials said the turnout was 41.5%.

The US putting on token sanctions does not mean the US gives a shite about Venezuela.

Of course the US gives a shit about Venezuela.

As with Cuba, it wants to punish it for being a naughty boy.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Of course the US gives a shit about Venezuela.

As with Cuba, it wants to punish it for being a naughty boy.

Profound analysis, harry.

Do you agree with the Assembly elections in Venez?

Is it a fair system?

A child's scraped knee a life or death matter in Venezuela | Daily Mail Online

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Of course the US gives a shit about Venezuela.

As with Cuba, it wants to punish it for being a naughty boy.

Profound analysis, harry.

Do you agree with the Assembly elections in Venez?

Is it a fair system?

Not if it's rigged by a million votes, no.

Duh.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Of course the US gives a shit about Venezuela.

As with Cuba, it wants to punish it for being a naughty boy.

Profound analysis, harry.

Do you agree with the Assembly elections in Venez?

Is it a fair system?

Not if it's rigged by a million votes, no.

Duh.

That's not the only rigging.

As I've noted in previous pages, the areas that were allocated more assembly members to run were in pro-maduro areas.

The whole election was stacked - that's why the opposition boycotted it.

As badly as Maduro and company (or is that comrades?) have done, we can sadly expect more hardship in Venezuela and it will continue for some time.

As also noted, Chavez nationalized and expropriated 1,150 industries. The vast majorities of these are not even functioning now.

The only to even BEGIN to start a change is a new government that understands economics.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

The only to even BEGIN to start a change is a new government that understands economics.

No, it's a new government that eschews personal gain.

Which won't happen in your lifetime in places like Venezuela.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

The only to even BEGIN to start a change is a new government that understands economics.

No, it's a new government that eschews personal gain.

Which won't happen in your lifetime in places like Venezuela.

True Harry, and ALSO a govt that understands the basic principles of economics.

Seriously, does a bottom even exist?

04 August 2017
Venezuela's currency crumbles at dizzying speed

© AFP/File / by Alexander MARTINEZ | In one year, Venezuela's currency, the bolivar, has lost 94 percent of its value
CARACAS (AFP) -
Venezuela's money, the bolivar, is sinking faster and faster under an intensifying political and economic crisis that has left citizens destitute and increasingly desperate.

Its depreciation accelerated this week, after a disputed vote electing an all-powerful "Constituent Assembly" filled with allies of President Nicolas Maduro, which the opposition and dozens of countries have called illegitimate.

On Thursday alone, the bolivar slumped nearly 15 percent on the black market, to be worth 17,000 to one US dollar.

In a year, the currency has lost 94 percent.

Flash - Venezuela's currency crumbles at dizzying speed - France 24

It's like a South American Zimbabwe....

Why not to flatten the country in order to help the people (of the "opposition")?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Why not to flatten the country in order to help the people (of the "opposition")?

Do you want to explain that?

It seems klondick needs to sharpen his English skills if he's going to pursue his one aim on this forum...of slagging off the English speaking world.

Then again, I s'pose Jeff has had the same aim for years...

Originally Posted by cyrille

It seems klondick needs to sharpen his English skills if he's going to pursue his one aim on this forum...of slagging off the English speaking world.

Then again, I s'pose Jeff has had the same aim for years...

And he's fucking shit at it as well.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Why not to flatten the country in order to help the people (of the "opposition")?

Do you want to explain that?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The US could flatten Pakistan in an instant. Same with India. And the same with North Korea.

Who needs an explanation? ("The English speaking world"?) (BTW, is there any other world than the "English speaking", anyway?)

Originally Posted by cyrille

It seems klondick needs to sharpen his English skills if he's going to pursue his one aim on this forum...of slagging off the English speaking world.