The Young Americans

**sabang** · 02-03-2016, 02:14 PM

Apologies and deference to the late Bowie. But they are quite different to their parents, or grands. This Poll was conducted by a republican pollster, and I think would give every self styled republican or 'conservative' cause to shudder.

From: Frank Luntz
To: Interested Parties
Re: The Attitudes and Priorities of the Snapchat Generation
Date: February 18, 2016

If you’re looking for a breath of fresh air in this increasingly noxious political environment, wherein anger-driven voters permeate both political parties, look no further than America’s youth.

They’re refreshingly, resoundingly sunny about America’s future.

That’s the key finding of our just-completed national survey of 1,000 young Americans, aged 18 to 26 conducted February 11-14. We call them “The Snapchat Generation.” These first- and second-time voters see things much differently and with much more genuine hope than the older eyes that will mostly read this memo. And they’ll be bringing their own ideas to the polls – in droves!

Consider the following results:

(1) Barack Obama is no longer No. 1 in the hearts and minds of young Americans. Nearly one in three (31%) chose Bernie Sanders as the political figure they like and respect most, followed by President Obama (18%) and Hillary Clinton (11%). The Republicans don’t just lag behind, they limp, with Donald Trump in at 9%, Ted Cruz at 5%, and Marco Rubio at 3%.

(2) An astounding 88% say they are at least somewhat “optimistic” about their own future, including a robust 54% who report they are “extremely” or “very” optimistic. In fact, one in four is extremely optimistic, while just 12% are pessimistic. Make no mistake: this is the stuff of serious sea change for America. More on that later.

(3) Fully 61% of young people believe America’s “best days are still ahead of us,” compared to just 39% who say our “best days are behind us.” Similarly, while 54% of younger Americans still feel the nation is off on the wrong track right now, that’s much lower than the 63% wrong track average among ALL Americans, according to the Real Clear Politics Average. Gallup’s rock-solid “satisfied-dissatisfied” tracking poll has 76% dissatisfied among the overall population. This generation simply rejects the gloom and doom, even as their parents and grandparents fret that America is in decline. The contrast couldn’t be sharper – and it has significant ramifications politically.

(4) Fully 87% are likely to vote in the coming Presidential election. The Obama youth turnout was not just because it was for Barack Obama. This election cycle has clearly captured the imagination of first- and second-time voters. In fact, two-thirds (65%) are “extremely likely” to participate. Politicians, ignore young voters at your own peril.

Because they sure as hell aren’t ignoring you.

Through this poll, in partnership with Snapchat, we’ve listened to how young people feel – because the future belongs to them. So let’s go deeper into the findings.

HOW DOES THE SNAPCHAT GENERATION FEEL ABOUT THE FUTURE?

Before we move forward with more polling data, let’s take a step backwards in time. Imagine, just for a moment, the life experience of an 18- to 21-year-old, first-time voter. Their experiences are fundamentally different, and this might explain why their attitudes are so much more positive than older voters.

They’d barely finished preschool when the Twin Towers collapsed. When the big banks collapsed, they were in middle school.

It’s not that they’re ambivalent; it’s just that they didn’t live it. While they might have seen their parents stress over finances, they didn’t have bank accounts to lose for themselves. They know it happened, and that it was really terrible for their parents. But that was mom and dad’s fight, not theirs.

Perhaps that’s part of why fully 75% of young people think they will do better
financially than their parents, including one in four who think they’ll do “a lot better.” Only 6% say they’ll do “worse.”

This is important. It’s a seismic shift in electorate mentality, a schism between
generations that could have huge impacts for many elections to come. And it is completely contrary to our own polling last year, when 54% of Americans said their children and the next generation will do WORSE than they did.

This isn’t a perception gap. It’s a chasm.

Anyway, there is a lot more to be found (schematics included) at the following linkie-
http://static.politico.com/bc/7c/c80...on-release.pdf

Curious to know what our older, younger, lefty libru'l, right wing 'conservative' members might thing about this?

**Black Heart** · 02-03-2016, 02:19 PM

Good on the younger generation for being 'optimistic.'

^ The national debt will hit $30 Trillion in about 8-9 years. The annual interest must be paid and it will take more and more of the revenue collected (taxes).

The Fed is considering a NIRP policay at Tarp and numerous QEs.

H1-Bs may triple if HRC and Congress can agree.

48% of jobs are service sector.

I'm not a gloom and doomer, but the standard of living will continue to be flat and decline.

**sabang** · 02-03-2016, 02:21 PM

From VoA, commenting on same Poll-

While leading presidential candidate and businessman Donald Trump frequently talks about making America great again, 61 percent of the young people in the survey believe the nation’s best days are still ahead. Just 39 percent felt our “best days are behind us”.

However, this youthful optimism does not extend to politicians and corporate America. Sixty-six percent of young people believe corporations embody “everything that is wrong about America”. Elected officials fare only slightly better; the survey found 60 percent of young people felt Washington embodies everything that is “wrong about America”.

In fact, when presented with 16 pressing issues facing the country, the younger Americans said they were most worried about the widening gap between the rich and the poor. The high cost of a college education was the second most pressing issue.

All of this is a cause for alarm, according to Luntz, who writes, “The hostility of young Americans to the underpinnings of the American economy and the American government ought to frighten every business and political leader.”

Full Article- Poll Finds Young Americans Are ?Frighteningly? Liberal « All About America

But perhaps the most interesting thing with the VoA article are the comments below it. Check out this beauty-

PermReader says: February 27, 2016 at 6:37 am
This polls show: you, VOA`s leftists, together with the education system and Media, honestly earn your salary for propaganda. Shameful billioners like Soros, Buffet,Gates,Zukerberg, others, participate in this propaganda,that is ridiculouse.The leftists, absolutly halpless in economics,foreign policy(like Obama) are the dodgy party organizers(like Stalin),propagandists, and the youths are their easy prey.

What TD'er wrote that, I wonder.

Check out the spelling.

**Cold Pizza** · 29-04-2016, 03:24 PM

Average Millenial (aged 18-35 today) student loan debt is $40,000. This is not a lot for a Boomer. But for Millenials, it will take decades for many to pay off.

Money | Fri Apr 8, 2016
Millennials face debt - and denial
NEW YORK | BY BOBBI REBELL

A food delivery-man rides a bicycle up 9th Avenue as snow continues to fall in New York February 10, 2010. REUTERS/Chip East

Debt may be a drag for millennials, but apparently not as much as cooking their own dinner.

A survey from Citizens Bank found that fewer than half (47 percent) of millennials, those in the 18-35 age group, who are college graduates, would be willing to limit their online food delivery in return for reducing their student loans.

Other priorities? Concerts, sporting events and lattes, as well as travel and vacations.

The prospect of limiting any of these luxuries got the "no thanks" from the majority of millennials who were asked if they would cut back to lower their student loans. The same holds true for cutting Internet service.

Despite being so unwilling to give up life's little pleasures, more than half (57 percent) said they regret taking out as many student loans as they did, and about a third said they would not have even gone to college if they knew how much it was going to cost them.

That is a big conflict, says Brendan Coughlin, president of consumer lending at Citizens Bank.

"They are very committed to living their life the way they want to live their life, and as frustrated as they are by student loans, they are not willing to make those lifestyle tradeoffs," he said.

Part of the problem may be one of denial and math. The same survey found that nearly half of millennials (45 percent) with student loans do not even know how much of their annual salary they spend on them. It is 18 percent on average, for the record.

On the upside, the vast majority do at least know what they owe - over $40,000 for most. But more than a third (37 percent) are clueless on the interest rate they pay.

Entire:
Millennials face debt - and denial | Reuters

**bsnub** · 29-04-2016, 03:33 PM

^ Why are you changing nic's again barbera? Jeezus. Isn't four enough already?

**Cold Pizza** · 26-08-2016, 05:27 PM

More Milenial news, this time: savings.

If the student debt average was not bad enough add (a lack of savings):

Most Millennials Have Less Than $1,000 In Savings, Live Paycheck-to-Paycheck

by Tyler Durden
Aug 24, 2016

The majority of millennials are living paycheck to paycheck.

A recent survey of millennials by HowMuch.net found that 51.8% of those aged 18-34 have less than $1,000 held between bank accounts and cash savings.

As Visual Capitalist's Jeff Desjardins notes, this echoes previous data we’ve seen – not just on millennials, but Americans in general. For example, we know that 14% of Americans have “negative” wealth. We also know that 62% of Americans don’t have emergency savings that could cover a $1,000 hospital visit or a $500 car repair.

Taking that into consideration, let’s dive deeper into this more recent millennial data...

For charts, see the souce: Most Millennials Have Less Than $1,000 In Savings, Live Paycheck-to-Paycheck | Zero Hedge

**misskit** · 26-08-2016, 05:44 PM

^ I just have to mention, the fact there are dozens of people using the name Tyler Durden to write for Zero Hedge really irks me. Also makes me doubt anything they write is true since the "journalists" don't have the balls to use their real name.

**harrybarracuda** · 26-08-2016, 05:51 PM

You're also forgetting the fact that zerohedge is just another shite republican whackjob site.

**aging one** · 26-08-2016, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ Why are you changing nic's again barbera? Jeezus. Isn't four enough already?

Snub is so right. Blackheart is Cold Pizza who is Barbaro who are all active. Now we have Blackheart debating with Pizza. Give me a break Mods. Look at Article 8 subsection 3 of the shit a newby is asked to read.

Nice OP Sabang, my kids would very much agree with you.

**Cold Pizza** · 26-08-2016, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by aging one

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ Why are you changing nic's again barbera? Jeezus. Isn't four enough already?

Snub is so right. Blackheart is Cold Pizza who is Barbaro who are all active. Now we have Blackheart debating with Pizza. Give me a break Mods. Look at Article 8 subsection 3 of the shit a newby is asked to read.

Nice OP Sabang, my kids would very much agree with you.

You are so wrong.

I'm not debating anyone. I'm adding to the topic started by Sab.

Barbara and BH are not active asshole. You're an idiot.

As for Article 8 section whatever, you're not a lawyer, you're a dumbfuck Thailand English teacher.

**wasabi** · 26-08-2016, 08:58 PM

"The Young Americans" is a David Bowie song.

**TheDukeofNewcastle** · 26-08-2016, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Black Heart

As of March 15, 2016, I have 97Century Threads.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Barbara and BH are not active asshole

Does the century thread count all your multinics or just the current username fraudster.
You dripping quim?

**Cold Pizza** · 26-08-2016, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by TheDukeofNewcastle

Originally Posted by Black Heart

As of March 15, 2016, I have 97Century Threads.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Barbara and BH are not active asshole

Does the century thread count all your multinics or just the current username fraudster.
You dripping quim?

Panama Hat,

If you want to join AO and Davis and Ant, go ahead.

I'll take you on --> in the Dog House.

Anytime.

**Cujo** · 26-08-2016, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by wasabi

"The Young Americans" is a David Bowie song.

FFS you utter fucking wanker.
First of all WE KNOW.
AND
Sabang acknowledges that in the very first post.
Have a red toerag.

**bsnub** · 27-08-2016, 05:17 AM

Oh this thread went off the rail quickly.

**Humbert** · 27-08-2016, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by Somboon

The US is screwed. These optimistic kids are dreamers who live on a diet of facebook and twitter shit.

You don't know fuk all about kids, let alone anything else.

**TheDukeofNewcastle** · 27-08-2016, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Originally Posted by TheDukeofNewcastle

Originally Posted by Black Heart

As of March 15, 2016, I have 97Century Threads.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Barbara and BH are not active asshole

Does the century thread count all your multinics or just the current username fraudster.
You dripping quim?

Panama Hat,

If you want to join AO and Davis and Ant, go ahead.

I'll take you on --> in the Dog House.

Anytime.

You have avoided the question numb nuts. Does cold pizza have 97 attention whore century threads or not?
How many of those threads contain over 50 % of the vacuous posts made by you and your multinics?
How many of those century threads contain posts from other members telling you to bugger off?

You are an attention seeking cock womble with all the brain functions of a limpet.

**Norton** · 27-08-2016, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Oh this thread went off the rail quickly.

Par for the course here. Happens when 90% of the members are clueless fuckwits.

Originally Posted by sabang

aged 18 to 26

The age we were all optimistic so no surprise a poll would verify the obvious.

Originally Posted by sabang

Poll Finds Young Americans Are ‘Frighteningly’ Liberal

Liberal is a relative term. One which changes over time generation to generation. When I was 20 would have been considered "frighteningly liberal" even though today considered moderate or conservative. Again the poll comes as no surprise.

**Cujo** · 27-08-2016, 10:20 AM

I think most people become more conservative with age as they become acquainted with reality.

**sabang** · 27-08-2016, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Nearly one in three (31%) chose Bernie Sanders as the political figure they like and respect most, followed by President Obama (18%) and Hillary Clinton (11%). The Republicans don’t just lag behind, they limp, with Donald Trump in at 9%, Ted Cruz at 5%, and Marco Rubio at 3%.

Interesting bump, given the coming election. At least the Republicans have their most admired figure running for them!

**bsnub** · 27-08-2016, 01:58 PM

^ Well they are talking about this election being a landslide even with Hillary running. If it was Sanders the gap in the polls would most likely be 20+ points higher.

**birding** · 27-08-2016, 06:58 PM

I suspect most of these young people will never get out of debt in their lives even if they get good enough jobs to be able to pay off their student debt they will want cars which they will probably have to borrow for. The better the jobs the better the cars will have to be to reflect the status.

Then comes marriage and the need for a house which comes with a long term mortgage. Upgrade the car and another for the wife, more debt. Then expensive kids come along.

But thats the way its supposed to be, economic subjugation of the masses.

**sabang** · 27-08-2016, 07:19 PM

I don't like the way kids have to get into debt to do a degree these days.

**Cold Pizza** · 27-08-2016, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by birding

I suspect most of these young people will never get out of debt in their lives even if they get good enough jobs to be able to pay off their student debt they will want cars which they will probably have to borrow for. The better the jobs the better the cars will have to be to reflect the status.

Then comes marriage and the need for a house which comes with a long term mortgage. Upgrade the car and another for the wife, more debt. Then expensive kids come along.

But thats the way its supposed to be, economic subjugation of the masses.

Agree, 100%

For the FEW that will earn higher incomes they will have a high percentage of their income to debt.

I understand the 80+ year concept of the 30-year mortgage, but look at the **cost per square foot**.

It's gone waaaay up.

Student loan debt, car loan, 2-year contract for talking on a phone, and add credit cards.

Generation debt slave.

And for the vast majority: NINA.

No Income (meaning low income) and No Assets.

**Norton** · 28-08-2016, 06:55 AM

Median income in US is $52k. Median net worth varies from $7k below 35 and peaks at $195k at 65.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

And for the vast majority: NINA.

No Income (meaning low income) and No Assets.

^Hence bullshit.

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