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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
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    I have read all of the comments above.
    And understood none of them. Even your own.

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    I stand alone, or in a minority.
    Alone. A minority of one.

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    I do think the US will launch a strike against NK withing the next 3 and 1/2 years.
    Your thinking is simply ignorant and wrong headed.
    We shall see who is right in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
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    ^Will you leave the forum never to return at Christmas 2021 if these things do not come to pass milkman?

    Will YOU leave the forum never to return if things DO come to pass Looper?
    Certainly not. I am looking forward to seeing fatboy's porker head on a spike.

    Maybe Mad-dog Mattis should get a taxidermist to stuff and mount it for the hunting trophy wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
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    ^Will you leave the forum never to return at Christmas 2021 if these things do not come to pass milkman?

    Will YOU leave the forum never to return if things DO come to pass Looper?
    Certainly not. I am looking forward to seeing fatboy's porker head on a spike.

    Maybe Mad-dog Mattis should get a taxidermist to stuff and mount it for the hunting trophy wall.
    I read Birding's "Times-Straight" article on there not being a true military option.

    That said, and good informative article, I think something will happen, planned or not.

    We have, history....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    I think something will happen, planned or not.
    Good chance on you being correct on this...........



    ...or not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    I read Birding's "Times-Straight" article on there not being a true military option.

    That said, and good informative article, I think something will happen, planned or not.

    We have, history....
    You are taking 'shallow' to new depths.

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    This Video Will Change Your Perception of North Korea


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    Five Days in North Korea - Pyongyang, DMZ, Dandong train


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    ^I looked into doing the trip a few years ago when I went to SK.

    Quite pricy and a bit of a hassle having to fly to china first.

    I still get an email from the tour company once a week with their latest prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke
    Five Days in North Korea - Pyongyang, DMZ, Dandong train
    Thanks for this. Makes one wonder how long the isolation of N Korea from the rest of the world can last.
    Seeing it, even from a restricted tourist view, It should be preserved as it is, with people granted freedom of thought and movement.

    You just know that once the barriers come down, the place will be flooded with Chinese made cars and white goods.

    I would like to see it as it is now, because it surely cannot last much longer in its present state, and the west along with the Chinese will ruin it once the current regime falls. The only problem with that would be all those bloody tourists.
    Heart of Gold and a Knob of butter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    This Video Will Change Your Perception of North Korea


    Video: "As soon as I got on that plane back to Beijing I appreciated how lucky I am to have freedom, and the ability to do what I want, say what I want, and act how I want."


    Wow, most of us here at TD knew that already before Einstein visited N. Korea








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    Some obvious reasons....


    How the miserable death of Moammar Gadhafi factors into Kim Jong Un's nuclear ambitions
    North Korean leader Kim's refusal to disarm may be due to memories of the downfall of Libyan dictato
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    Gadhafi surrendered his nuclear weapons program in response to Western demands in 2003
    He was killed by NATO-backed rebel forces in the Libyan Civil War 8 years later


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    Late Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi at the Quirinale Palace in Rome, Italy, during his first visit to Libya's former colonial ruler on June 10, 2009.


    Late Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi at the Quirinale Palace in Rome, Italy, during his first visit to Libya's former colonial ruler on June 10, 2009.


    North Korea's refusal to drop its nuclear weapons program may have a lot to do with the fate that met another would-be nuclear power's dictator just a few years ago.

    Pyongyang's ongoing development of nuclear weaponry — including the successful launch last week of a missile that could potentially reach the United States — has set off alarm bells across the international community. But the insistence of North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un to keep building an arsenal could come from a lesson he learned from another one-time opponent of the West: Libya's Moammar Gadhafi.

    Gadhafi conceded to Western demands that he give up his quest for nukes in 2003, only to be toppled by NATO and his Libyan opponents during a brief civil war in 2011.

    North Korea isn't crazy. It's insecure, poor, and extremely dangerous North Korea isn't crazy. It's insecure, poor, and extremely dangerous
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    Nobody likes Kim having nukes. He's an erratic leader whose weapons programs defy UN sanctions, and North Korea has repeatedly broken promises to stop developing them. Worst of all, Kim likes to threaten to attack other countries, including Japan, South Korea, the United States and Australia.

    But Kim likely sees the weapons as an insurance policy that keeps him in power. There are uncanny similarities between his regime and Gadhafi's: The Libyan dictator had seized control of the state after leading a military coup in 1969. Like Kim, Gaddafi ran a socialist dictatorship built on a cult of personality. Under Gadhafi, Libya earned a reputation as a rogue nation. It consistently breached international norms, committing human rights abuses, funding terrorist groups, and proliferating weapons of mass destruction.

    Yet, in a surprise move in 2003, Gadhafi agreed to give up his weapons program and welcome international inspectors. In exchange, the U.S. and its allies promised better relations with Libya and lifted long-standing economic sanctions.

    Eight years later, NATO led a military intervention to support rebels trying to overthrow Gadhafi's regime. NATO said it was responding to a United Nations call to end crimes against humanity in the country.

    "North Korea (is) firmly in the belief that they need to have credible nuclear deterrent, and they believe that as a sovereign country they have the right to do so."

    -Dr. Guo Yu, analyst, Verisk Maplecroft
    Gadhafi was beaten and killed after he was chased down by rebel soldiers on October 20, 2011. His convoy had been bombed and scattered by U.S. and French airstrikes only moments earlier. Gadhafi holds the unfortunate (for him) distinction of being the only Middle Eastern national leader who was killed during the Arab Spring.

    U.S. President Barack Obama has called his failure to plan for the consequences of Gadhafi's downfall the worst mistake of his presidency. But he has said he still believes military intervention was the "right thing to do".

    It's highly likely that Kim keeps Gadhafi's unfortunate end in mind, and it deters him and his North Korean leaders from surrendering their own nuclear weapons, according to experts.

    "We see in Libya and Iraq countries who gave up their WMD programs, and foreign power campaigns that led to a regime change," said Dr. Guo Yu, principal Asia analyst at global risk consultancy Verisk Maplecroft. "To safeguard against that, North Korea (is) firmly in the belief that they need to have credible nuclear deterrent, and they believe that as a sovereign country they have the right to do so."

    Kim is also "watching what's been happening in the Middle East, and the external military interventions — mostly led by the U.S. — which are interested in regime change and just reinforce the mindset for pursuing independent credible nuclear deterrence," Yu said.

    During a visit to Libya's former colonial ruler Italy in 2009, Gaddafi remarked: "We had hoped Libya would be an example to other countries … But we have not been rewarded by the world."

    A possible reason North Korea's Kim won't disarm: Memories of Gadhafi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    But Kim likely sees the weapons as an insurance policy that keeps him in power.
    He is also a manic who starves his own people. Sufficient reason by itself to say enough is enough. He does not deserve to be in power.

    Just because he adopts extreme tactics to maintain his grip on power, and that power rather than conflict may be his motivation, is not a good reason in itself to allow him to remain in power - as seems to be frequently argued by the appeasement brigade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    ust because he adopts extreme tactics to maintain his grip on power, and that power rather than conflict may be his motivation, is not a good reason in itself to allow him to remain in power - as seems to be frequently argued by the appeasement brigade.
    I'm no appeaser, but even you must realize that removing him would create a highly unstable vacuum. Only to be filled by a power struggle, promoting another, less well known maniac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
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    ust because he adopts extreme tactics to maintain his grip on power, and that power rather than conflict may be his motivation, is not a good reason in itself to allow him to remain in power - as seems to be frequently argued by the appeasement brigade.
    I'm no appeaser, but even you must realize that removing him would create a highly unstable vacuum. Only to be filled by a power struggle, promoting another, less well known maniac.
    That's why just knocking him off is not likely the best scenario.

    Replacing the regime and entire government.

    "To save the town we had to destroy it."

    But we know (I think) that a full on military assault like that of Iraq is not possible b/c of the consequences of the response to SK and Japan.

    It's not intended to be a stupid question.

    But is a full-on military strike like that of Iraq even possible?

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    I think regime change is the only realistic goal for the future of NK.

    The nonsense, tantrums and constant barrage of bellicose threats to neighbouring countries cannot be allowed to go on.

    Anything would be better than the fat fruitcake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    That's why just knocking him off is not likely the best scenario.

    Replacing the regime and entire government.

    "To save the town we had to destroy it."

    But we know (I think) that a full on military assault like that of Iraq is not possible b/c of the consequences of the response to SK and Japan.

    It's not intended to be a stupid question.

    But is a full-on military strike like that of Iraq even possible?
    This is all the stuff you have learned or accepted as a given, since you started this thread.
    You have asked questions, ignored the answers, and then you regurgitate a version of what you've been told.

    Analyse the credible information available to you. Check your sources and make informed decisions before you even think of posting any further suppositions.

    You have a shallow intellect and a short attention span. This is not a clinic for the lonely and the stupid. Search for answers to your social, economic and political questions before posting them on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    Anything would be better than the fat fruitcake.
    Even an unknown lunatic with a penchant for world domination, a dodgy eye, and a pet cat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    ^I looked into doing the trip a few years ago when I went to SK.

    Quite pricy and a bit of a hassle having to fly to china first.

    I still get an email from the tour company once a week with their latest prices.
    One of my best mates (nutter that he is) went twice two years ago...and can never return. He's a bit bummed about it, but knew it going in. Was able to meet some relatives in the extreme north on his second foray.

    He's SK heritage w/ dual passports. Used his CAN P.P. to enter.

    Spy-filmed farking customs and immigration process, FFS!!
    ...along with many other locations and people inside.

    His assigned govt. guides liked two things when he met them:
    Karaoke joints with attached brothels
    and booze.

    After he informed them that the weeds growing behind the hotel could be dried and smoked, they liked three things.

    He loved the place & produced 2 films out of the deal.

    I'll try to post them on TD whenever they're done at the festivals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    Gadhafi conceded to Western demands that he give up his quest for nukes in 2003, only to be toppled by NATO and his Libyan opponents during a brief civil war in 2011.
    The Western powers did not like to hear what Gaddafi told them at 2009 General Assembly speech - 1 hour 40 min. instead of allotted 15 min. (I happened to listened it live).

    "He tore up a copy of the UN charter in front of startled delegates, accused the security council of being an al-Qaida like terrorist body, called for George Bush and Tony Blair to be put on trial for the Iraq war, demanded $7.7tn in compensation for the ravages of colonialism on Africa, and wondered whether swine flu was a biological weapon created in a military laboratory. At one point, he even demanded to know who was behind the killing of JFK. All in all, a pretty ordinary 100 minutes in the life of the colonel."
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...dafi-un-speech

    Why he tore the UN Chapter? To demonstrate that what is written there has nowadays no meaning. The forming of UN after the WW2 main reason was never to happen again what Hitler did: to invade another country. And all the member has to prevent such invasion.

    "Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi’s 96-minute speech at the United Nations General Assembly Wednesday has been called “rambling,” “long” and “incoherent”. He’s mocked and reviled in the United States, but his speech was met with some applause at the UN. Are any of his arguments worthwhile, or were they all just hogwash?

    Gaddafi UN Speech: 5 Arguments Inside His Rant | HuffPost

    1 - Iraq War Investigation
    2 - Israeli-Palestinian Crisis
    3 - Inequality at the UN
    4 - UN Ineffective at Preventing War
    5 - New Countries Formed

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    That's why just knocking him off is not likely the best scenario.

    Replacing the regime and entire government.

    "To save the town we had to destroy it."

    But we know (I think) that a full on military assault like that of Iraq is not possible b/c of the consequences of the response to SK and Japan.

    It's not intended to be a stupid question.

    But is a full-on military strike like that of Iraq even possible?
    This is all the stuff you have learned or accepted as a given, since you started this thread.
    You have asked questions, ignored the answers, and then you regurgitate a version of what you've been told.

    Analyse the credible information available to you. Check your sources and make informed decisions before you even think of posting any further suppositions.

    You have a shallow intellect and a short attention span. This is not a clinic for the lonely and the stupid. Search for answers to your social, economic and political questions before posting them on here.
    And you.....are doing exactly the same.

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    Give him five.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    Anything would be better than the fat fruitcake.
    Even an unknown lunatic with a penchant for world domination, a dodgy eye, and a pet cat?
    Even just for the sake of the general population of NK. They would be far better of without an insane dictator keeping them economically isolated and impoverished under some redundant notion of communism.

    A final reckoning that ends the dictatorship is the best outcome for almost everyone concerned. China will mourn the loss of their pet pit-bull dictatorship on a leash for a while but even they will eventually get over it.

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    Thousands of North Korean laborers in US-allied Gulf nations

    DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — As pressure on North Korea grows over its nuclear weapons program, America’s most valued Arab allies host thousands of its laborers whose wages help Pyongyang evade sanctions and build the missiles now threatening the U.S. and its Asian partners, officials and analysts say.

    From state-run restaurants to construction sites, North Korean workers in Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates face conditions akin to forced labor while being spied on by planted intelligence officers, eating little food and suffering physical abuse, authorities say. Hundreds more North Korean workers may be coming to the UAE, home to a crucial military base, while laborers remain in the other countries.

    North Korean laborers even have worked on an expansion of a military base in the UAE home to U.S. forces fighting the Islamic State group, two officials familiar with Pyongyang’s tactics told The Associated Press. A UAE company also was accused by the U.S. of trying to buy nearly $100 million of North Korean arms, while the nation previously purchased ballistic missiles from the North.

    https://apnews.com/1b87669d5634406697ad2962d256fdd5

    Who speaks here about sanctions, anyway?

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    ^ Does this make you happy?

    North Korea says 2nd ICBM test puts ‘entire’ US in range

    PYONGYANG, North Korea (AP) — North Korean leader Kim Jong Un said Saturday the second flight test of an intercontinental ballistic missile demonstrated his country can hit the U.S. mainland, hours after the launch left analysts concluding that a wide swath of the United States, including Los Angeles and Chicago, is now in range of North Korean weapons.

    The Korean Central News Agency said that Kim expressed “great satisfaction” after the Hwasong-14 missile reached a maximum height of 3,725 kilometers (2,314 miles) and traveled 998 kilometers (620 miles) before accurately landing in waters off Japan. The agency said that the test was aimed at confirming the maximum range and other technical aspects of the missile it says was capable of delivering a “large-sized, heavy nuclear warhead.”

    more https://apnews.com/284c40f3c92746d98...9;-US-in-range

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    I know it's the Sun but a US strike is possible now.

    WAR FOOTING US Air Force unleashes supersonic bombers in ‘North Korea nuke drill’ as it’s claimed Donald Trump is ‘poised to launch military strike’ against the rogue state

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    DONALD Trump ‘is to order a military strike against North Korea within a year’ after Kim Jong-un’s military boasted it had fired a ballistic missile capable of hitting the US.

    Senior military sources in Washington have reportedly claimed Pentagon officials have laid out plans to obliterate a nuclear weapons facility operating deep within a mountain range inside the rogue state.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/413048...e-rogue-state/

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