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    White Privilege

    Is it possible for "white privilege" to exist on an international level but not on a national level in advanced countries such as the USA, UK, Australia, Canada, NZ?

    Why not? IMHO most minorities in all of the English speaking countries are way better off than citizens of the country they, or their parents, left behind. Do they not enjoy some type of a privilege?

    What do you think of this article? If you don't mind sharing your opinion that is.

    It?s not White Privilege, it?s American Privilege ? Pulling the Mask off of Collectivist Fascism - Freedom Outpost

    It’s not White Privilege, it’s American Privilege – Pulling the Mask off of Collectivist Fascism

    "White people are bad, but it's generally white people who are criticizing this "white privilege." So, aren't the white people who criticize also bad? No, of course not! Aha! So it is not being white which is bad, it's being capitalist and individualist which is bad! We, therefore, come to the first truth about the doctrine of "white privilege" and that is that it is not about a person being "white," but about "privilege." We know this because it is the collectivists who are sloganeering, throwing rocks, and inciting riots. Oh yes they are!.

    So, it's not that white people are bad, because you can be a "good" white person if you are a collectivist. Accordingly, it is "privilege" which is bad. But... these sloganeers are completely privileged. Are they not bad also? No! They are doing the "good work" of sloganeering, so they are exempt. They are better white people!".


    Rest of article is in the link. Not too long of a read.

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    It's a bunch of BS made up by the so-called minorities to excuse their lazy behavior and or jealousy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    It's a bunch of BS made up by the so-called minorities to excuse their lazy behavior and or jealousy.
    Read the article mate. It's whites who have made up the slogan. People like Connie Schultz the Pulitzer Prize winning wife of Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio.

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    It is a very complex question but if the society in question has free education then all children in theory have the same opportunity for success. Yes if your parent are lazy and under-performing then there is a stronger change that you will be but there is a way out, if effort is applied to the education.

    In some respects it is what BM says above but is also the age old class argument that resulted in a labour governments in the UK. "Upper class privilege" is the same as the new "white privilege".

    Life is not fair, nor is it about equality. It is like a game of poker. Everyone gets dealt a hand, some are lucky and have a good hand but it is HOW you play your hand that counts.

    Another question maybe how does tropical lassitude still exist in a group that has not lived in the tropics for x generations. Is it genetic?

    The old joke comes to mind about Jesus visiting Africa but he had to break off his visit unexpectedly and told the Africans "Sit under that tree and don't do anything until I get back"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    It's a bunch of BS made up by the so-called minorities to excuse their lazy behavior and or jealousy.
    Read the article mate. It's whites who have made up the slogan. People like Connie Schultz the Pulitzer Prize winning wife of Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio.
    What?

    Self-loathing latte-liberal whites we suspect...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    It's a bunch of BS made up by the so-called minorities to excuse their lazy behavior and or jealousy.
    Read the article mate. It's whites who have made up the slogan. People like Connie Schultz the Pulitzer Prize winning wife of Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio.
    What?

    Self-loathing latte-liberal whites we suspect...
    I don't think you can call her a stereotypical latte-liberal. Her blue collar background and first generation to attend university would suggest otherwise. Although many of her sycophantic followers seem to fit that description.

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    I wonder if part of the problem is that when people hear "White Privilege", what they think is "You never had to struggle. Everything was handed to you, your achievements don't matter", and thus dismiss the concept.

    That's not what it means, of course, and it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

    It's more akin to-well, White Male is, especially in America, the "Easy" setting for the video game (RICH white male is the "The game will play itself without player input" setting.).
    Let's think about it sort of like Oregon Trail.
    Can you still lose? Yes!

    Can you still lose for circumstances that aren't your fault (car broke, sudden illness, ladder fell on you?) ABSOLUTELY! Even on the 'easiest' setting, random chance can utterly fuck you over.

    Can people who *aren't* white males start out with more than you? Yes! The starting background of their 'character' may give them advantages that you don't start with.

    But non-whites will be faced with harsher challenges, and steeper penalties for failure. (For instance: there are recent psych studies that show that black children are seen as 'less innocent' than white kids. They are likely to refer to an 16 year old white kid as a 'child' and a 14 year old black kid as a 'young man' or adult, in the news).

    White Privilege doesn't mean you don't have to struggle. It does not invalidate difficulties in your life. It doesn't mean there aren't other people that enjoy *different* privileges: Privilege is not a zero sum game/a point buy system. It means it's *harder* for those without it to succeed. It means that even if they put in the same amount of effort, they may not get the same reward/results.

    That's my take on it anyway.
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    This so-called White Privilege is a load of hooey...



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    White privilege doesn't exist in the UK, if you don't believe me ask the throngs of white east Europeans who struggle daily with bigotry.

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    White exceptionalism....

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    White exceptionalism....
    That's right.

    "If the bloody bugger doesn't speak English" well, fok him, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper
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    Quite right! Those pakis and black bastards in bongo bongo land would be NOTHING without us whities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    "White people are bad,
    We, of course, know that our God has created a Torah, a set of laws, which protects private property from theft and larceny, from unequal weights and measures, from vandalism and intentional destruction without cause.
    A 'TORAH'. So the writers a jew. That's the perspective he writes from.
    But actually quite a good article and I am in concurrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    White exceptionalism....
    Well realistically, pretty much every 'modern' development is down to white (European)people/societies really.
    Railways and the engines, electricity and everything that comes from that, plumbing, telephones, medical procedures, medicines, every form of modern transport (perambulating vehicles, flying machines, space rockets and satellites and pretty much any modern convenience you can think of.

    White man's earned his fucking privilege.

    Another idea of "white privilege" is having access to all the "good stuff." Apparently, white people have the best education system, the best economic system, and so forth.
    Um, maybe because white people thought of it. If we're talking about America it's available to everyone.
    And while on the subject of 'white privilege', hell yes, just a couple or so generations back black people were the property of the white people. Like it or not it's just a fact, so of course white privilege exists.
    Not for all whites though, there is the white trash element, and the Hillbilly element. Their kids don't go to nice private schools or have first class medical insurance.
    What they're talking about is middle class privilege.
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    What about Chinese, Japanese and other races privilege in western countries, cops in the US don't shoot them regularly.
    In places where only whites live, police never pull them over, or arrest them, boring job if no blacks to harass.

    Black communities in all countries, need to sort out their own shit and stop blaming others for their problems.
    So your descended from a slave, way back when, well I'm descend from a guy who was knocked on the head and press ganged into the royal navy.
    Get over it.

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    "White" is an entirely American concept; whilst it's extensible to Australia and NZ, it is utterly meaningless in Europe, where everyone is an ethnos in their homeland. The trouble with American academics is that they tend to extend or extrapolate their experience in their cultural paradigm across to other parts of the world that superficially resemble them - e.g.: the British Isles, where we happen to speak the same language, and to many Americans who would class themselves as "white", look the same, but for entirely different reasons; namely, that we are the source, and they are but one "sink".

    The other thing is that the most advanced parts of the world derive their culture of diligence and anti-corruption from WASP culture, the source of which is NW Europe (not just Britain, but the whole northern protestant-Germanic zone). This is a cultural paradigm that is a fundamental part of what is being alluded to.
    There is an obvious hierarchy of cultures defined by productivity and justice; you can of course, set up alternative hierarchies, like the "happiness index" and put Vanuatu on top - the noble happy savage etc.., and it's true to say that all cultures have some products to offer, but some more than others, and WASP is the current winning culture in the cultura league table, and has been for a while.

    Like it or not, without exploitation of other parts of the world, the industrial revolution probably wouldn't have happened, and the evidence is China - it peaked in the 1400s but failed to exploit its lead over the world by exploiting it, and the industrial revolution may have been delated a couple of centuries as a result.

    The modern world we live in today is largely the product of British protestant industrial imperialism and exploitation (it could easily have been Dutch btw, but they missed their chance to take over England). "Middle Class"ness is also a product of that - a product of the industrial revolution, much like IQ tests are a way of testing how middle class you are. It's a system that works to the extent that other developing countries want to adopt it and vary it according to their local inferior cultures (inferior, specifically because they failed to produce many products that the rest of the world wants).

    Everywhere in the world where there is success is a manifestation of "middle class"ness, and subliminally, because the tinted folk from around the world understand it to be a product of WASP culture, they look to representatives of the WASP world to measure how they are doing - and of course they secretly/subconciously despise us for it... but it's not our fault that we were born into a superiod culture that happened to address corruption and justice and productivity earlier than theirs, and all these self-loathing theses that have dribbled out since the 60s are a spiteful way of trying to deny the truth and construct a big lie upon which we are all compelled to celebrate "equality and diversity", when really we all know that the equality is not really equal, and the diversity is not really diverse... a grand disingenuous exercise of collective global cognitive dissonance.

    What the world secretly longs for is a return of Atlantis - the empire that they believe brought order in world that is now full of chaos and fear. In a lot of the world, neo-colonialism would fix a lot of the problems, but we mustn't think that... we must keep saying everyone is equal, and it's all a wicked injustice by corporations... like in the movie Trading Places.



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    There is nothing to stop those black Americans returning to their homeland in Africa.

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    ^ How many descendants of slaves even know where their 'Homeland' is in Africa? The US, Brazil etc is their homeland now. Nothing to stop white Americans returning to their homelands in Europe either I suppose. Heck, knowing the Baby Boomers they would probably come as refugees, claiming prejudice against whites, now that they have completely robbed the Millenials of their inheritance. I think we're barking up the wrong tree these days talking about white or even black privilege. Generational privilege is much more current (see article below), and of then course there is 'Privileged privilege'-the privileged will always take care of themselves naturally, but it has reached obscene proportions in the USA. The Most Entitled Generation Isn't Millennials. It's Baby Boomers | RealClearPolitics "For the first time in America’s history, an entire generation of her citizens is poorer, more indebted, and less employed than the preceding generations. That generation is the Millennials – our generation. The culprit, say some social commenters, are Millennials themselves. In this telling, we are a lazy cohort of entitled and narcissistic brats– the proverbial “Generation Me.” But this is a classic case of blaming the victim."
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    ^ Indeed, the entitlement generation are the boomers.

    The Millenials are in worse shape than the X and Yers.

    I am luckier as an Xer. I graduated with no debt, and there were actually jobs when I got out of school, then.

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    Excellent . . . easily the two best quotes from this thread . . . what would we do without such intellectual giants . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    What about Chinese, Japanese and other races privilege in western countries, cops in the US don't shoot them regularly.
    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi
    There is nothing to stop those black Americans returning to their homeland in Africa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
    The other thing is that the most advanced parts of the world derive their culture of diligence and anti-corruption from WASP culture, the source of which is NW Europe (not just Britain, but the whole northern protestant-Germanic zone). This is a cultural paradigm that is a fundamental part of what is being alluded to.
    Quite . . .

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    Victims are everywhere, aren't they? I gather almost everyone on the planet is now entitled to blame their lack of achievement on the institutionalized discrimination against their sex or their race or their origins or their height or their whatever.

    author exposed sexism of literary world - Business Insider

    "It sounds like the setup to a joke: What happens when a woman sends her novel to literary agents under a male pseudonym?

    The punchline, however, is entirely predictable.
    When author Catherine Nichols sent the opening pages of her novel to 50 agents, only two requested the full manuscript.

    When she presented herself with a male pseudonym, "George," from a new email address, and sent the same cover letter and pages to 50 agents, it was requested 17 times.

    In one case, the same agent who sent her a formal rejection as Catherine asked to read “George’s” book, and then asked to send it to a more senior agent.

    “He is eight and a half times better than me at writing the same book," Nichols wrote in an essay for Jezebel. "Fully a third of the agents who saw his query wanted to see more, where my numbers never did shift from one in 25. The judgments about my work that had seemed as solid as the walls of my house had turned out to be meaningless. My novel wasn’t the problem, it was me – Catherine.”

    The results of Nichols' experiment highlight the literary world's enduring gender problem. Male writers continue to dominate literary criticism, both as reviewers and as reviewed. In 2014, only 27 percent of authors represented in The Times Literary Supplement and 29 percent represented in The Nation were women, according to the annual VIDA count.

    Another study has found that a novel is more likely to win a prize if its protagonist is male, and just under 40 percent of books submitted to the Booker prize over the past five years were by women.

    It was enough to inspire the novelist Kamila Shamsie to declare 2018 "the year of publishing women"; for author Joanna Walsh to launch the #readwomen project and run @read_women, a Twitter platform highlighting issues around women, writing and publishing; and for Francine Prose to author a pair of explosive essays, "Scent of a Woman's Ink," and "On Women Writers and V.S. Naipul."

    But the bias Nichols reveals is not limited to literature.
    Multiple studies have shown that, when researchers send out identical resumes, the ones with the male names get more responses than the ones with female names.

    "Men are rated as better mentorship candidates, more hireable, more competent, and deserving of roughly $4,000 more each year," writes Bustle.

    Nichols' experiment is also nothing new. Scores of other female writers disguised their names. Middlemarch author George Eliot was Mary Ann Evans in real life, Louisa May Alcott wrote as A.M. Barnard, and the Brontë sisters as Currer and Eliis Bell.

    The tradition continues today. Nora Roberts, the prolific romance writer, published detective mysteries under the pseudonym J.D. Robb. Even Joanne Rowling adopted two more masculine-sounding pseudonyms: J.K. Rowling and Robert Galbraith.

    The bias these guises reveal, Nichols says, is enough to end the careers of many women who have gotten their share of rejections.

    “In theory, the results of my experiment are vindicating, but I feel furious at having spent so much time in that ridiculous little cage, where so many people with the wrong kind of name are burning out their energy and intelligence," she wrote.

    Being told a work is “clever” or "well-constructed" by an agent “might be enough to steer [a writer] toward a bolder plan”, she writes, while being told it is “not very likable” will move the writer “back to conventions," or quit altogether".

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    Aren't you contradicting your premise of being a victim in this argument?

    Victims are everywhere, aren't they? I gather almost everyone on the planet is now entitled to blame their lack of achievement on the institutionalized discrimination against their sex or their race or their origins or their height or their whatever.
    When author Catherine Nichols sent the opening pages of her novel to 50 agents, only two requested the full manuscript.

    When she presented herself with a male pseudonym, "George," from a new email address, and sent the same cover letter and pages to 50 agents, it was requested 17 times.

    In one case, the same agent who sent her a formal rejection as Catherine asked to read “George’s” book, and then asked to send it to a more senior agent.

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    ^ You're going to have to be a little more clear with your assertion PH. I'm a bit thick as you know.

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    No, my post wasn't very clear, sorry.

    I'll try again . . .

    It seems you believe that people live a victim's mentality . . . but the article you quote shows that discrimination of non-white, non-male is alive and well.

    Hmm, I hope that makes more sense than my previous drivel.

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