When will Pakistan or Musharraf fall ?

**stroller** · 14-07-2007, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Are flippant dismissals and sweeping generalizations your standard modus operandi Mr Stroller?

When appropriate, yes, I treat comments according to their individual merit.
We've had a number of threads on Islam, including about the role of women and women presidents in Muslim countries, yet you repeat the same platitudes and generalisations ad infinitum, as if you were paid for demonising this religion and its followers.

**machangezi** · 14-07-2007, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Earl

Macha you seem to be asleep to the fact that Islam is being taken over by murderous fanatics.

No it is not being taken over by fanatics. You need to open your eyes Earl there are more than 1.4 billion Muslims and how many are murderers??

Originally Posted by Mr.Earl

Why isn't there a general Muslim uprising against the Islamist fanatics who have commandeered Islam?
Is it because they truly represent Islam?

Recently we saw 100's of them being culled by the Pakistani Army in that godforsaken mosque.

**machangezi** · 14-07-2007, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by machangezi

You think Islam condones such things?? It doesn't. There are millions of website where you can search the Quran but you dont seem interested. you pretty well know that Islam is against such things.
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Piss off Earl. All the things you wrote in this stupid reply of yours is a symbol of you being as thick as a concrete wall. After all you are an American and you guys have the media to guide you all.

Anyways lets say America can bomb mecca anytime but chooses not to do so, is it some sort of a favor?? or should all the muslims feel scared?? what did you mean by this??

And Earl if you get out of that message parlor of yours and look around all those little girls who go to school and have their heads covered are Muslims. So shut the fuck up plz you are making a complete ass of your self. Millions of Muslim women get education and Millions dont.

What does Islam condone??????????????

Nothing! You have no Idea of what is written in your holy book!
Fact is: there are a lot of horrible things written in the Koran, beating, killing, raping etc. The whole line of BARBARIC, SCUM, LOW LIFE, way of life and so on. Now comes the childish argument " The same thing is written in the Bible".
TRUE
But now comes the difference! All your big shot muslim mufties, preachers, clerics, muslim high councils in this world, will never condone or have said that these babaric acts in the Koran can not be done. Or are missinterpretation or are a thing of the past or whatever. They will never speak against the Koran. Actually, you will find muslim clerics, who openly say in public to go kill and rape.
Why? Because it is the word of god.
Now go to church and ask a preacher what he thinks about the babaric acts in the bible! HE WILL CONDONE IT.

Bombing Mecca:
What would the muslim world do if a plane (loaded with TNT) hits Mecca?
You would have Nuts and Fruits going crazy!

What did the christians do when a muslim killed the Pope?
I guess we know that answer.

For all the crap you wrote my answer is we dont condemn the Quran cos it's our holy book and Muslims know what it says so plz dont tell me about my holy book. I don't listen to what those fuck wit Muftis say. We can find people blindfolded like yourself and guided by their hatred everywhere.

Now I ask one Question: Do you know how to read or write Arabic??

**machangezi** · 14-07-2007, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Hermanthegerman

Bombing Mecca:
What would the muslim world do if a plane (loaded with TNT) hits Mecca?
You would have Nuts and Fruits going crazy!

Would that give them (Muslims) the right to invade another country that has got to do nothing with the bombing??

**stroller** · 14-07-2007, 03:11 PM

I suppose whoever'd send the plane would find out what it really is like to have 1.3 billion fanatics wanting to chew one's arse.

**Mr Earl** · 14-07-2007, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by machangezi

No it is not being taken over by fanatics. You need to open your eyes Earl there are more than 1.4 billion Muslims and how many are murderers??

According to the Hal Lindsey article some 15% of Muslims worldwide subscribe to fundamentalism. That's about 200 million! A rather significant figure I think.

Originally Posted by macha

Recently we saw 100's of them being culled by the Pakistani Army in that godforsaken mosque.

I suppose that makes a slight dent in the 200 million.

Where is the voice for the 1.2 billion who aren't fundamentalists?

**Mr Earl** · 14-07-2007, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Are flippant dismissals and sweeping generalizations your standard modus operandi Mr Stroller?

When appropriate, yes, I treat comments according to their individual merit.
We've had a number of threads on Islam, including about the role of women and women presidents in Muslim countries, yet you repeat the same platitudes and generalisations ad infinitum, as if you were paid for demonising this religion and its followers.

As long as selective myopia such as you share with Macha is manifest I shall persist in pointing out the nature of fundamentalist Islam.

I think no less of Muslims than I do of Christians. Whatever floats your boat is what I say.
I do draw a clear distinction in regard to fanatical suicidal behavior.
You clearly wish to denigrate my views because you cannot accept that leaders like GWB and Blair are quite correct in their steadfastness on this issue.
Unfortunately(for you) you are only able to trot out the weakest kind of sophistry in discussing this issue.

**stroller** · 14-07-2007, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I shall persist in pointing out the nature of fundamentalist Islam.

Then perhaps you could specify this distinction, instead of tarring an entire religion and its 1.3 billion followers with one broad brush-stroke, and you may get more considered respnses and find that people agree with you.

**HermantheGerman** · 15-07-2007, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by machangezi

For all the crap you wrote my answer is we dont condemn the Quran cos it's our holy book and Muslims know what it says so plz dont tell me about my holy book. I don't listen to what those fuck wit Muftis say. We can find people blindfolded like yourself and guided by their hatred everywhere.

Now I ask one Question: Do you know how to read or write Arabic??

You got the answer wrong again!
Illiteracy rates in Islamic countries are the highest in the world. And should a muslim know how to read, they have no idea of what crap is written in the Koran . Too many of times I have told muslims here at Teak Door and here in Germany of what crap is written in their Holy Book. You guys have asked me which Sure it is this written at and I gave you the answers. When I pointed out the Sure you guys said "Ohhh the Holy Book can not be translated litteraly".
If I would tell you that I'am a Historian, and I specialize in Islam, and I speak and write Arabic fluently. What would you say?
Answer: Herman you are an infidel, a non believer, a atheists, a westerner!
You are not a muslim Herman! So you are not qualified to talk about the Koran.
Anyway Macha....should you speak and write arabic , that will make you as qualified as G.W. Bush.
Should you know how to speak the old arabic language and fullfill the following knowledge
1) The Poetic KoinŽ: The "written" language at the time of the prophet and the language of the Pre-Islamic poetry, abbreviated PK.
2) Old Spoken Arabic: a blanket term for the spoken tribal dialects in pre-Islamic Arabia, abbreviated OSA.
3) Old Arabic: the blanket term for pre-Islamic Arabic, which encompasses both the Poetic KoinŽ and Old Spoken Arabic, not abbreviated.
4) Al-cArabiyya: The language of poetry, public formal address, literary and scientific discourse and religious exposition in the Muslim World that was formalized and then cast in stone sometime after the Islamic expansion, not abbreviated.
5) Written Middle Arabic: Arabic from the Middle Ages written by non-Muslims with many elements that were grammatically incorrect for Al-cArabiyya, abbreviated WMA.
6) Spoken Middle Arabic: the postulated dialects spoken during the Middle Ages, abbreviated SMA.
7) New Spoken Arabic: the modern day dialects used in ordinary spontaneous speech, movies and other informal speech acts, abbreviated NSA.
8) Modern Standard Arabic: the modern literary language which is arguably derived from Al-cArabiyya, abbreviated MSA.
9) New Arabic: a blanket term which encompasses Modern Standard Arabic and New Spoken Arabic, not abbreviated. KoinŽ II: a postulated common spoken language of unknown origin used by the conquering Arab armies during the Islamic expansion, abbreviated KII.
10) KoinŽ III: a postulated common spoken trade language used in Pre-Islamic Arabia in the larger commercial centers and in the caravans involved in the trans-Arabia shipment of merchandise, possibly heavily affected by the Nabatean dialect, and known in Mecca, abbreviated KIII.

Then you might be worthy to talk to me.

Ohhh by the way Macha. Don't feel bad! No Mufti, Cleric, Priester, Ayatthola in the muslim world knows these things. And that is why there is no unity or peace amongs muslim.
Think about it! Please!

**lom** · 15-07-2007, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Then you might be worthy to talk to me.

You really are a messerschmitt.

**stroller** · 15-07-2007, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Too many of times I have told muslims here at Teak Door and here in Germany of what crap is written in their Holy Book.

There's only one Muslim on TD, he knows his Koran, and the Muslims in Germany are all literate.

Your arrogance is dwarfed only by your ignorance.

**HermantheGerman** · 15-07-2007, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Your arrogance is dwarfed only by your ignorance.

How do you know that they/he knows his Koran?
Etymology has discovered that almost all Holy Scriptures are falsely translated.

Your claim that all muslims in Germany are literate shows YOUR ignorance, when in fact we have plenty of germans that are iliterate.
The arrogance that you are spreading here at TD, I don't even want to get into.....it will take too much time.

**HermantheGerman** · 15-07-2007, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Then you might be worthy to talk to me.

You really are a messerschmitt.

It's O.K. ........you can get up now

.

**machangezi** · 16-07-2007, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Earl

According to the Hal Lindsey article some 15% of Muslims worldwide subscribe to fundamentalism.

Hal Lindsey the Christian writer eh?

Well, according to Ayman al Zahwari 25% of Christians support Muslim slaughter.

**machangezi** · 16-07-2007, 04:50 PM

Did you learn Arabic from "www.google.com"??
BTW this is the link from where you copied and pasted.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~andyf/hist_arab.html

You don't know shit about Arabic nor about Quran. Do you even know the meaning of the word "Allah U Akbar"??

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Ohhh by the way Macha. Don't feel bad! No Mufti, Cleric, Priester, Ayatthola in the muslim world knows these things. And that is why there is no unity or peace amongs muslim.
Think about it! Please!

I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that you are right most of the Muftis don't know these things but you are no different. If the Muftis gain access to a computer I bet all of them know German like you know Arabic.

**machangezi** · 16-07-2007, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Earl

Where is the voice for the 1.2 billion who aren't fundamentalists?

All Muslim countries have condemned 9/11 , 7/7 bombings and the beheadings of the western civilians in Iraq and every major catastrophe caused by Muslims every where in the world. They also condemned the attack on Iraq and Afghanistan but did anyone listen??

Most of the Americans are against the illegal detentions of the POWs at guantanamo bay but does anyone listen or care??

**HermantheGerman** · 16-07-2007, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by machangezi

Did you learn Arabic from "www.google.com"??
BTW this is the link from where you copied and pasted.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~andyf/hist_arab.html

You don't know shit about Arabic nor about Quran. Do you even know the meaning of the word "Allah U Akbar"??

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Ohhh by the way Macha. Don't feel bad! No Mufti, Cleric, Priester, Ayatthola in the muslim world knows these things. And that is why there is no unity or peace amongs muslim.
Think about it! Please!

I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that you are right most of the Muftis don't know these things but you are no different. If the Muftis gain access to a computer I bet all of them know German like you know Arabic.

I'am happy you have found the link! I mean it. But I hope that you read everything. I will be happy to discuss the Koran with you.

Why do (only 15%) Pakistani believe that Al Quaida was behind 9/11. Do you know how hard it is to convince a muslim? Before you give access to all Muftis to a computer.....tell them to read the newspaper.

You don't know shit about Arabic nor about Quran. Do you even know the meaning of the word "Allah U Akbar"??

By the way, this is not about how good You or I know arabic. Let's leave this up to the experts. And these Experts are definitely not Muslims.

Do you even know the meaning of the word "Allah U Akbar"??

Do your friends know the meaning of the myth about the virgins that are waiting in heaven when they blow themselves up. I would be happy if you could give me a good translation/meaning of this.
I have heard that they shout "Allah U Akbar" before they blow themselves up. So I guess it means something like "SOI COWBOY HERE I COME".

**stroller** · 16-07-2007, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

I'am happy you have found the link! I mean it.

You know it is a requirement in Isues to indicate when and from where you quote.

You've also "lost face" with the plagiarising.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

By the way, this is not about how good You or I know arabic. Let's leave this up to the experts. And these Experts are definitely not Muslims.

Do you know any "experts", that you are so sure they are not Muslims? Or are you just stating this to cause controversy, inspite of your lack of knowledge, as in many of your comments?

**HermantheGerman** · 17-07-2007, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

I'am happy you have found the link! I mean it.

You know it is a requirement in Isues to indicate when and from where you quote.

You've also "lost face" with the plagiarising.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

By the way, this is not about how good You or I know arabic. Let's leave this up to the experts. And these Experts are definitely not Muslims.

Do you know any "experts", that you are so sure they are not Muslims? Or are you just stating this to cause controversy, inspite of your lack of knowledge, as in many of your comments?

My Dear Stroller

I'am telling you "again" that my english is bad and that any imbecile will know what I write or quote from the internet. (a good lawyer doesn't have to memorize the law he has to know where to find it).
You are entitled to your opinion but........ DO YOU HAVE TO COMMENT ON EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD WIDE WEB for crying out loud.

P.S. I did catch a few greenies on this thread, so please go find your own sandbox.

**machangezi** · 17-07-2007, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Why do (only 15&#37

Pakistani believe that Al Quaida was behind 9/11.

Because of the endless lies coming from American gov't. Very hard to believe in what comes from the American gov't, even Americans themselves don't believe in it. Now let's take the example of NY mayor, Rudi Gulliani! Another example is the marine who died in Afghanistan. The American gov't alongwith the military portrayed him as a hero who died in action. Later on, it was discovered that he was killed by one of the American troops in the camp. This is just two of the examples. I know of tens of them.

Do you know how hard it is to convince a muslim?

Convince them about what?

And these Experts are definitely not Muslims.

Mind naming names?

Do your friends know the meaning of the myth about the virgins that are waiting in heaven when they blow themselves up.

All of them know there's no such thing as some fanatics claim. They have brains.

P.S: As mentioned earlier, most Muslim countries denounced 9/11 and 7/7 terrorist attacks. They even denounced the brutal killings of foreigners in Iraq in hands of extremists. Now you don't expect all 1.4 billion Muslims to get on the streets? Leaders who denounced 9/11 etc are representatives of the Muslims, ain't they?

**stroller** · 17-07-2007, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

I'am telling you "again" that my english is bad and that any imbecile will know what I write or quote from the internet.

^I am sure these are your own words.

Any unattributed quotes will be deleted in Issues, it is not acceptable here.
Is your English good enough to understand this, or do you need a translation into Jiddish?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

You are entitled to your opinion but........ DO YOU HAVE TO COMMENT ON EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD WIDE WEB for crying out loud.

I note that instead of taking note and answering my questions, you are going off on some bizarre tangent.
Let me repeat:

Do you know any "experts", that you are so sure they are not Muslims? Or are you just stating this to cause controversy, inspite of your lack of knowledge, as in many of your comments?

Macha's question is more specific:

Mind naming names?

That means he wants you to name some experts.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

P.S. I did catch a few greenies on this thread, so please go find your own sandbox.

Not sure how the 2 parts of the sentence connect, but I am sure they do, somehow.

**HermantheGerman** · 19-07-2007, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

I'am telling you "again" that my english is bad and that any imbecile will know what I write or quote from the internet.

^I am sure these are your own words.

Any unattributed quotes will be deleted in Issues, it is not acceptable here.
Is your English good enough to understand this, or do you need a translation into Jiddish?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

You are entitled to your opinion but........ DO YOU HAVE TO COMMENT ON EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD WIDE WEB for crying out loud.

I note that instead of taking note and answering my questions, you are going off on some bizarre tangent.
Let me repeat:

Do you know any "experts", that you are so sure they are not Muslims? Or are you just stating this to cause controversy, inspite of your lack of knowledge, as in many of your comments?

Macha's question is more specific:

Mind naming names?

That means he wants you to name some experts.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

P.S. I did catch a few greenies on this thread, so please go find your own sandbox.

Not sure how the 2 parts of the sentence connect, but I am sure they do, somehow.

You remind me of what an old man once said to me:

"Never give a german a uniform"

I thing this moderator/admin job has gotten to your head.

Please don't delete this post so I can collect some more greenies.

**stroller** · 19-07-2007, 01:50 PM

A typical Herman post: nothing but personal attacks and cheap shots, entirely ignoring the content of what he responds to.

I'll leave it for other mods to judge which posts are too off-topic. Of course you'll get some greens from the peanut gallery, it's always good to have a pop at a mod.

What a courageous hero you are!

**HermantheGerman** · 19-07-2007, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

A typical Herman post: nothing but personal attacks and cheap shots, entirely ignoring the content of what he responds to.

I'll leave it for other mods to judge which posts are too off-topic. Of course you'll get some greens from the peanut gallery, it's always good to have a pop at a mod.

What a courageous hero you are!

My Dear little Stroller

What questions do you want me to answer you specifically?

That the best Koran experts are non-muslim?
I will try to explain it to you partially...the rest YOU will have to Google.

Let's say a muslim who is a Koran expert does some research.
Let's say he becomes critical about some passages in the Koran or hadith or call it what you want.
Let's say that he writtes an article about this "openly".
How long do you think it will take until his life will be threatened or he will be killed.
The best Koran reasearch has been done by non-muslims for a long time, because they are free to do so without retaliation for telling the truth.
Many people who write about the Koran use a fake names.
The names of these people I will let you Google.

Other stupid questions what does Allah mean etc. etc. ......is a waste of time.

**HermantheGerman** · 19-07-2007, 03:19 PM

A typical Stroller post: nothing but personal attacks and cheap shots, entirely ignoring the content of what he responds to.

30-06-2007 09:26 PM stroller dumb Nazi scum

29-06-2007 10:49 PM stroller Jew-hating inbred retard! You need a cock up your arse.

17-07-2007 05:40 AM
https://teakdoor.com/346585-post121.html
Is your English good enough to understand this, or do you need a translation into Jiddish?

the list goes on and on and on......

Moderate \Mod"er*ate\, a. [L. moderatus, p. p. of moderate, moderati, to moderate, regulate, control, fr. modus measure. See Mode.]

Kept within due bounds; observing reasonable limits; not excessive, extreme, violent, or rigorous; limited; restrained; as:
(a) Limited in quantity; sparing; temperate; frugal; as, moderate in eating or drinking; a moderate table.
(b) Limited in degree of activity, energy, or excitement; reasonable; calm; slow; as, moderate language; moderate endeavors.
(c) Not extreme in opinion, in partisanship, and the like; as, a moderate Calvinist.
A number of moderate members managed . . . to obtain a majority in a thin house. --Swift.
(d) Not violent or rigorous; temperate; mild; gentle; as, a moderate winter. ``Moderate showers.'' --Walter.
(e) Limited as to degree of progress; as, to travel at moderate speed.
(f) Limited as to the degree in which a quality, principle, or faculty appears; as, an infusion of moderate strength; a man of moderate abilities.
(g) Limited in scope or effects; as, a reformation of a moderate kind. --Hooker.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

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