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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    Maintenance jobs? What makes you think robots won't perform maintenance/repairs on robots? Better than humans. Same for new robot design.

    Capitalism is in its death throes. That much is obvious. A new system must be found.
    That's OK. I'll get a job fixing the robots that fix the robots.

    Better luck hooking with your old Union buds in the shipyard...

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    I will continue to be employed writing AI software....

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    Can we all get along?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I will continue to be employed writing AI software....
    That's OK. I'll get a job fixing Troy's code.




    You could have a look here. Might start a rush of people switching to TEFLing though.

    Will Your Job Be Done By A Machine? : Planet Money : NPR

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    I will continue to be employed writing AI software....
    That's OK. I'll get a job fixing Troy's code.
    You might want to figure out the thing with https and posting on TD first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Since somebody figured a piece of wood shaped just right could plow a field faster, better and cheaper, folks have lost jobs. Back then probably less severe because technology change was much slower to spread.
    I don't know if expecting historical dynamics of how technology destroyed some jobs but opened up others is much of a balm here. I could be being shortsighted or unimaginative, but I don't see robots taking over jobs is going to open up new opportunities. Could leave a lot of people with a lot of time on their hands and plenty to be angry about, especially if the 1% are still controlling society.

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    The so-called 1% control society?

    We know they pay the vast majority of taxes so the lay-abouts and welfare-chiselers can sit idle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    We know they pay the vast majority of taxes so the lay-abouts and welfare-chiselers can sit idle.
    Who pays for these welfare queens.
    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
    Over the past 15 years, the federal government has provided $68 billion in grants and special tax credits to business, with two-thirds of the total going to large corporations.
    During the same period, federal agencies have given the private sector hundreds of billions of dollars in loans, loan guarantees and bailout assistance, with the largest share going to major U.S. and foreign banks. These sums represent the portion of federal “corporate welfare” for which specific recipients can be identified.
    These are among Good Jobs First’s key findings from the first comprehensive compilation of company-specific federal subsidy data. We assembled more than 160,000 award records from 137 federal programs to expand our Subsidy Tracker database, which since 2010 has provided access to compa¬rable data from states and localities. This upgrade is Subsidy Tracker version 3.0.
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    Link to Uncle Sam's favorite corporations (if you've got the guts)

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    Who pays the Federal Government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrG
    I don't see robots taking over jobs is going to open up new opportunities.
    Now you can see just the top 21 of hundreds of robotics companies. Have a look. ABB for example 144k employees with 1,041 job openings currently available.

    Top 21 Companies in the Industrial Robotics Market

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrG
    I don't see robots taking over jobs is going to open up new opportunities.
    Now you can see just the top 21 of hundreds of robotics companies. Have a look. ABB for example 144k employees with 1,041 job openings currently available.

    Top 21 Companies in the Industrial Robotics Market
    I see your point. But consider: even at the height of the automotive industry in America, what percentage of jobs went to building cars. Same with steel or any large manufacturing operation. In short, will building/repairing/designing robots make up for the number of jobs lost to robots. I have no idea. There's an article in Time Magazine about it that I haven't read yet, but my instincts say there won't be enough jobs, leaving a large work-force with nothing to do. And as you know, busy hands are happy hands.

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    I don't know what blue collar job Booners used to do, but I'm guessing you could probably do it with one of these.




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    That's an awfully nice one.
    Are you sure it's a "Booners Model"...?

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    Jobs or no jobs, there comes a point when all these systems, robotic and every thing else including your fridge are connected.
    Along comes AI, once on line it's in the cloud and out of the box, can't switch it off.
    New sheriff in town then, no borders or countries, no stock markets, can't compete against a machine that knows everything and can close things down, start things up, generally run everything from banks to traffic lights.

    Once the genies out of the bottle no putting it back, publicly they are close in a few companies, unofficially probably closer.
    If good, all the worlds problems are over, if bad, end game.

    It's coming, some greedy billionaire, some power hungry country, or a new Bill Gates in his garage will plug it in, a few seconds later, it's everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I don't know what blue collar job Booners used to do, but I'm guessing you could probably do it with one of these.
    Keep wiping down those cabins, cabin boy.

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    Possible....

    Threat from Artificial Intelligence not just Hollywood fantasy


    Oxford academic Dr Stuart Armstrong warns humanity runs the risk of creating super intelligent computers that eventually destroy us all

    ....An Oxford academic is warning that humanity runs the risk of creating super intelligent computers that eventually destroy us all, even when specifically instructed not to harm people.

    Dr Stuart Armstrong, of the Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford University, has predicted a future where machines run by artificial intelligence become so indispensable in human lives they eventually make us redundant and take over.

    Threat from Artificial Intelligence not just Hollywood fantasy - Telegraph

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    Attack of the Bots coming?

    Worker killed in Volkswagen robot accident



    A technician has been killed by a robot at a Volkswagen plant near Kassel, Germany.


    A 21 year old external contractor was installing the robot together with a colleague when he was struck in the chest by the robot and pressed against a metal plate. He later died of his injuries, reports Chris Bryant, the FT's Frankfurt correspondent.

    Prosecutors have opened an investigation into how the accident occurred.

    Robot-related fatalities are rare in western production plants as robots are kept behind safety cages to prevent accidental contact with humans.

    In this instance the contractor was standing inside the safety cage when the accident occurred.

    The second employee was outside the cage and was unharmed.

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    It may sound silly, but more and more experts are making statements like this. Technology is increasing rapidly - and so are the abilities of "robots." Artificial intelligence


    Should robots have human rights? Act now to regulate killer machines before they multiply and demand the right to vote, warns legal expert


    Robots will need new laws to regulate them just like the internet did Army and tech firms have driven robotics and artificial intelligence There is rising concern about the dangers of these technologies

    Experts warn artificial intelligence could be as dangerous as nuclear weapons

    By JACK MILLNER FOR MAILONLINE
    PUBLISHED: 13:22 GMT, 20 July 2015


    Read more: Act now to regulate killer machines before they multiply warns legal expert | Daily Mail Online

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    Compare the average manufacturing facility to 40 years ago. They used to be full of people earning a living wage, and now it is all automated. I watch the Food Factory and MegaFactories programs on the TV sometimes and am amazed that in these place churning out millions of products a year, they have about 3 people working there. The progress really is brilliant, but it does leave a massive problem - a staggering reduction in jobs for people to do especially western countries which due to the huge unchecked inflation caused by the private central banks printing money out of thin air for free, means that the stay alive people need a high minimum wage.

    These people are what globalist Kissinger called "Useless Eaters" They have no use, and all they do is eat and take resources from the elite in keeping them alive which is something that they can not condone, hence the elite wanting to kill of 95% of the population of the world.

    Now, what could happen is that all the people who used to work in factories etc could start a little business, almost Thai style, something small that feeds and houses them, and offering something that is not mass produced whether they create it, build it etc themselves or buy products cheap and sell at a slight profit. But alas, the way the money system works, which is all about removing all wealth and assets from the masses to give to the elite, means that this can not happen now, and small businesses are always attacked and taxed into a oblivion by the bought and paid for politicians.

    So there is really only a choice between two paths. The Elites way which is to get world population down to around 500,000,000 which they are working on with a global currency and banking system, a microchipped population so people can be tracked and traced that also controls their payments in a cashless society (so that if that person irritates the owners of the world, their chip can be turned off and they die through starvation or lack of water), all food and drink including water mass produced soylent green style, with constant bogeymen and fake wars fighting their global army to keep the people in a state of fear and thanks for their protectors, and the elite get eternity to use and leech off of humanity until the end of time (or until these psychopaths kill each other off).

    Or, the people realise what these fuckers are doing, have been planning for a century, have been putting into effect, have clearly written down in their books and articles, have spoken about in their lectures, wake the fuck up, and start to cull them whilst introducing a debt free interest free money system and get back to a real way of living that is not based upon asset striping the people and the planet.

    Robots and AI are already on the march - most people don't get how much this will impact the world and that there is a choice as to how it all ends up. The people who ignore the "conspiracy" are the ones whose grand kids will be living in a wall less concentration camp because the whole world will be. The ones who know all about this, well their grand kids will be in the concentration camps as well, but at least they could say "My grand dad did all he could to combat this, but your grand parents sat jeering and calling people conspiracy theorists whilst playing computer games and waving flags for a political puppet"

    So which is it going to be, losers? Hero or Zero time.

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    Oh puhleeaaaze. Marrying robots. Well, it is from Slate.


    Humans should be able to marry robots.


    By Gary Marchant
    Robot and wife
    I know pronounce you robot and wife.


    The Supreme Court’s recent 5–4 decision in Obergefell v. Hodges legalizing same-sex marriage across the United States has already spawned speculation about “what will be next” in expanding marital rights. As the Supreme Court noted, “[t]he history of marriage is one of both continuity and change. That institution … has evolved over time.” Interracial marriage, equality between husband and wife, and same-sex marriage were all excluded for long periods of time under our Constitution but now have been sanctioned and protected by the courts. While these changes have come slowly, and courts are unlikely to take the next step in expanding marital rights for some time, the courts are probably not finished expanding the legal definition of marital rights.

    A New York Times op-ed published shortly after the Supreme Court’s same-sex decision said that the court’s logic could eventually lead to recognition of polygamy or plural marriages, an argument also made by Chief Justice John Roberts in his dissenting opinion. This slippery-slope argument has also been used to contend that the court’s decision will open the door to legal recognition of bestiality or incest.

    Robot-human marriages might be next on the list. Probably not soon, admittedly, but it nevertheless will be an inevitable part of our future.
    Indeed, some critics of same-sex marriage, including some conservative Christian opponents of gay marriage, have argued that the court’s recognition of same-sex marriage would inevitably lead to robotic-human marriages. There has recently been a burst of cogent accounts of human-robot sex and love in popular culture: Her and Ex Machina, the AMC drama series Humans, and the novel Love in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction. These fictional accounts of human-robot romantic relationships follow David Levy’s compelling, even if reluctant, argument for the inevitability of human-robot love and sex in his 2007 work Love and Sex With Robots. If you don’t think human-robot sex and love will be a growing reality of the future, read Levy’s book, and you will be convinced.

    Humans should be able to marry robots.

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    Robots can make and cook food.

    Minimum-wage offensive could speed arrival of robot-powered restaurants


    It’s possible that new inventions could start to eliminate positions faster than they have in the past. The labor-saving technology that has so far been rolled out most extensively — kiosk and tablet-based ordering — could be used to replace cashiers and the part of the wait staff’s job that involves taking orders and bringing checks. Olive Garden said earlier this year that it would roll out the Ziosk system at all its restaurants, which means that all a server has to do is bring out the food.

    Robots can even help cut down on the need for high-skilled workers, such as sushi chefs. A number of high-end restaurants already use machines for rolling rice out on sheets of nori, a relatively menial task that takes lots of time. Even though sushi chefs tend to make more than $15 an hour already, they could be on the chopping block if servers need to make $15 an hour, too.

    “For our operation, we’re not buying entry-level labor, but if entry-level labor goes up a huge amount, everything goes up,” said Robert Bleu, the president of True World Group, a seafood distributor and consultant that also owns a sushi restaurant in Chicago. “I don’t consider rice forming a high art. You can escape some of the drudgery.”

    Of course, it’s possible to imagine all kinds of dramatic productivity enhancements. Persona Pizzeria’s Harold Miller predicts drone delivery systems will eventually get rid of the need to come into a restaurant at all, for example. Brewer has a bold prediction: He thinks that all the automation working its way into restaurants could eventually cut staffing levels in half. The remaining employees would just need to learn how to operate the machines and fix things when they break.

    “You don’t want a $15-an-hour person doing something that the person who makes $7 an hour can do,” Brewer said. “It’s not downgrading the employees. It’s that the employees become managers of a bunch of different systems. They’ll become smarter and smarter.”

    Minimum-wage offensive could speed arrival of robot-powered restaurants - The Washington Post

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    Watch the video. This is eery. We are close to being there.

    Watch Google's terrifying humanoid robot running through a forest as firm pledges it will soon be MORE agile than a human

    6.2 foot Atlas robot shown moving through forest without falling
    Also shown running across rocks in a lab
    Comes after several of robots fell during recent 'robo olympics'

    By MARK PRIGG FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
    PUBLISHED17 August 2015



    Read more: Watch Google's terrifying humanoid robot running through a forest | Daily Mail Online

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    Smartphones to die out 'within five years', says new study

    According to a new study of 100,000 consumers, mobile technology is expected to be replaced by artificial intelligence

    Smartphones to die out 'within five years', says new study - Telegraph

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    i work in the mining industry in Western Australia.
    And i have seen basically robots taking over the jobs of machine operators.
    well they are actually called autonomous machines.
    i have seen trucks carrying 220 ton of iron ore be loaded, drive to a dump chute, back up, dump their load and return for reloading with no human inter-action.
    even the loaders are becoming autonomous.
    i have read that with there "robots" there is no down time, no lunch breaks, no sick days, no flying operators to and fro from site.
    also the robots are kinder to the machinery and operate it within its limits, you remove the dickhead factor of some guns ho operator that pushes a machine to hard, causing expensive damage.
    i have worked at three mine sites so far where these machines are undergoing operational testing and with the way some of these large mining companies operate, i can see this is the future.
    this will spread into other industries and i am sure we will all be sitting on a beach while our robots make our living for us !

    NOT !

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    Quote Originally Posted by moose65 View Post
    i work in the mining industry in Western Australia.
    And i have seen basically robots taking over the jobs of machine operators.
    well they are actually called autonomous machines.
    i have seen trucks carrying 220 ton of iron ore be loaded, drive to a dump chute, back up, dump their load and return for reloading with no human inter-action.
    even the loaders are becoming autonomous.
    i have read that with there "robots" there is no down time, no lunch breaks, no sick days, no flying operators to and fro from site.
    also the robots are kinder to the machinery and operate it within its limits, you remove the dickhead factor of some guns ho operator that pushes a machine to hard, causing expensive damage.
    i have worked at three mine sites so far where these machines are undergoing operational testing and with the way some of these large mining companies operate, i can see this is the future.
    this will spread into other industries and i am sure we will all be sitting on a beach while our robots make our living for us !

    NOT !
    Moos, that was informative.

    And many are wondering: what will these people do that lose their jobs (through no fault of their own)?

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