What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**OhOh** · 09-04-2016, 11:25 AM

^Ameristan is rushing to make up the sales gap and to re-take the number 1 spot.

A detailed report indicating weapons were, tendered for, shipped and delivered to Turkey and Jordan.

The Turkish delivered weapons; for itself against the revolutionaries - against the Kurds; some destined for the terrorists in the EU - for use against EU citizens (note not political leaders or bankers); for the I$I$ terrorists in Syria, Iraq and the Caucasus.

The Jordanian delivered weapons; for itself - to threaten it's own citisens and it's interned "refugees"; for it's I$I$ terrorists in Syria, Iran, Iraq ....

US arms shipment to Syrian rebels detailed | IHS Jane's 360

"U.S. Delivers 3,000 Tons Of Weapons And Ammo To Al-Qaeda & Co in Syria

The United States via its Central Intelligence Service is still delivering thousands of tons of additional weapons to al-Qaeda and others in Syria.

The FBO has released two solicitations in recent months looking for shipping companies to transport explosive material from Eastern Europe to the Jordanian port of Aqaba on behalf of the US Navy's Military Sealift Command.
Released on 3 November 2015, the first solicitation sought a contractor to ship 81 containers of cargo that included explosive material from Constanta in Bulgaria to Aqaba.
...
The cargo listed in the document included AK-47 rifles, PKM general-purpose machine guns, DShK heavy machine guns, RPG-7 rocket launchers, and 9K111M Faktoria anti-tank guided weapon (ATGW) systems. The Faktoria is an improved version of the 9K111 Fagot ATGW, the primary difference being that its missile has a tandem warhead for defeating explosive reactive armour (ERA) fitted to some tanks."

All for the "children"

**harrybarracuda** · 09-04-2016, 03:23 PM

"U.S. Delivers 3,000 Tons Of Weapons And Ammo To Al-Qaeda & Co in Syria

The United States via its Central Intelligence Service is still delivering thousands of tons of additional weapons to al-Qaeda and others in Syria."

Another one of your unattributed fairy stories.

**MrG** · 09-04-2016, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

"U.S. Delivers 3,000 Tons Of Weapons And Ammo To Al-Qaeda & Co in Syria

F'ing liar.
This is what the link you provided actually says.

Infantry Weapons
US arms shipment to Syrian rebels detailed
Documents released by the US government's Federal Business Opportunities (FBO) website have provided an indication of the types and numbers of Eastern European weapons and ammunition the United States is providing to Syrian rebel groups as part of a programme that continues despite the widely respected ceasefire in that country.

**MrG** · 10-04-2016, 05:52 AM

This is a great article.
All of you hot to declare war on "Islamic Terrorists" might want to reconsider going after ISIS first.
Meet the man who spent 10 days with ISIS and lived to tell about it

Few individuals have gotten close to the self-proclaimed Islamic State and lived to tell about it. Journalist and author Jürgen Todenhöfer is one of them.

“I lived with them. Sometimes we slept on the same floor — there was just a Kalashnikov between us,” he says.

Todenhöfer embedded with ISIS for 10 days in December of 2014. He got access to the Islamic State after months of Skype negotiations and a public guarantee from ISIS leadership that he would return alive. He’s telling his story in a new book, "My Journey Into the Heart of Terror: Ten Days in the Islamic State," which is out on April 12.

“The reason why I believed in this guarantee was [that] ISIS wants to be seen as a state,” Tondenhöfer says. “They gave the guarantee as a state, and it would be a defeat for them if everyone would say, ‘They think that they are a state, and they give a public promise, and they don’t stick to that promise.’ And therefore I thought I would come back alive.”

Tondenhöfer spent most of his time with ISIS in Mosul, Iraq, but he also visited the Syrian cities of Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor. Tondenhöfer said he set the agenda with the Islamic State.

“I said I want to go to the police station, I want to see a jail, to walk in the streets … I want to speak with people in the streets, and I want to speak without the ISIS fighters,” he says. “And I wanted to see, for example, a hostage, and I saw a hostage. I made the program — they didn’t make the program.”

Though Thondenhöfer saw the people under ISIS rule obey the militants, he says that many did it reluctantly.

“I had the opportunity to speak in the streets, and sometimes somebody gave me a sign,” he says. “The ISIS fighters said, ‘You know, the economy is working and running,’ and with his hand, the guy who was beside me gave me a sign that he didn’t share this opinion. So people are not crazy — they would not say with a loud voice, ‘ISIS is terrorism,’ because they would be killed. So they tolerate ISIS.”

While he was able to safely travel around ISIS territory, Todenhöfer saw the brutality of the Islamic State. He said there was no trace of any Shia Muslims, because ISIS had already “eliminated” them from the area.

“There were no more Shias, no more Christians,” he says. “The Christians had left — they had the opportunity to stay, but they didn’t want to live under the dictatorship of terrorists, so there were only Sunnis.”

But Todenhöfer believes that things are changing as the people living under Islamic State control become more restless.

“Now they are very angry,” he says. “There is an opportunity now to make something with the Sunnis of Mosul, Ramadi, etcetera. There could even be a revolution against ISIS.”

There have been several reports that the Islamic State has enslaved women and girls and established an industry of rape. Though Todenhöfer did not witness this horrific sexual violence first hand, he says that ISIS fighters don’t shy away from the subject.

“They admit that they have introduced slavery,” he says. “I had long discussions about slavery because it’s a shame that a terrorist organization thinks that they are modern if they introduce slavery. But they told me, ‘You know, we have slavery officially — you have it secretly.’ But nevertheless, I think it’s horrible what they do, especially with the Yazidi girls. It’s just horrible.”

Todenhöfer says the fighters he met are nothing like the religious crusaders they claim to be. Rather, they’re more like a band of well armed criminals who love money, women and power.

“As far as Islam and the Koran are concerned, they’re illiterates — they have no idea,” he says. “I discussed the Koran with them — I’ve read the Koran three times, but I’m a Christian. They know certain parts of the Koran that are dealing with the war with Mecca and Medina. I confronted them with other parts, talking about justice, about mercy and they just didn’t know anything. Nevertheless, I would say that they think they are believers.”

While the fighters on the ground claim to believe in Islam, Todenhöfer doubts that the leaders of the Islamic State do.

“They are power guys — very, very tough power guys,” he says. “But they’re not really Muslims.”

The global community has been trying to find a solution to the bloody Syrian Civil War, and some have suggested that the Islamic State must be involved in negotiations. But Todenhöfer dismisses that notion.

“I am a friend of negotiations, but not with these terrorists,” he says. “They think that they will be part of negotiations — they told me and it was told to them by their leadership, that one day there will be negotiations. But I told them, ‘Nobody will talk to you.’ We have to defeat them and eliminate them. But I think our strategy to bombard cities is not the right strategy.”

Todenhöfer says the West must stop ISIS from obtaining weapons — he saw ISIS fighters with German machine guns that were given to Kurdish fighters. Additionally, Todenhöfer argues that the border between Turkey and the Syrian territory held by ISIS must be sealed.

“It was too easy to cross this border,” he says. “I had to run, and it was difficult to run, but nevertheless I’m 75 and it was too easy to cross this border. And the third point, which I think is the most important point, ISIS in Iraq can only live because it’s supported by a discriminated part of the country. If you would have a national reconciliation in Iraq, then ISIS would be like a fish without water. The same is true in Syria. If we succeed, for example, in Geneva with a national reconciliation, then ISIS is isolated, ISIS is defeated.”

This story was originally published on The Takeaway.

Meet the man who spent 10 days with ISIS and lived to tell about it

**OhOh** · 10-04-2016, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Another one of your unattributed fairy stories.

Harry:

Covert CIA Mission to Arm Syrian Rebels Goes Awry - WSJ

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/wo...bels.html?_r=0

Arming Syrian rebels: Where the US went wrong - BBC News

Another link added:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/29/...-al-nusra-fsa/

Originally Posted by MrG

F'ing liar. This is what the link you provided actually says. Quote: Infantry Weapons US arms shipment to Syrian rebels detailed Documents released by the US government's Federal Business Opportunities (FBO) website have provided an indication of the types and numbers of Eastern European weapons and ammunition the United States is providing to Syrian rebel groups as part of a programme that continues despite the widely respected ceasefire in that country.

I am presuming that you believe that the weapons and ammunition that is continuing to be illegally delivered, as part of an illegal "programme" and against is international law - well maybe not an exceptional coalition, to the "rebels", is for their victory celebrations.

You believe the weapons and ammunition is not being handed over to UN recognised terrorist organisations voluntarily or being taken from the said "rebels" by the UN recognised terrorists.

Why would peace loving "rebels" need weapons and ammunition?

If not to stock up for round 2, if that is the case Ameristan is supplying weapons to a terrorist organisation illegally. Or do you still consider a person who takes up arms, uses them against a countries civilians, a countries armed forces and police is not a terrorist?

**harrybarracuda** · 10-04-2016, 04:13 PM

**OhOh** · 10-04-2016, 04:17 PM

Meanwhile Ameristan has introduced another weapons delivery system to the ME. Ostensibly to obliterate I$S$, but their maybe other targets in the future. Their and their coalition parties high-tech drones, satellite guided bombs along with the tank killer planes (A10s) are either not enough or are showing their limitations - when measured by effectiveness against terrorists.

"American B-52 Stratofortress bombers have been sent for their first Middle East operational deployment since the 1991 Gulf War 26 years ago. The aircraft are flying from Qatar to bomb Islamic State targets. An undisclosed number of B-52s have arrived at the Al Udeid Air Base on Sunday, the US Air Force said.
“The B-52 will provide the coalition continued precision and deliver desired airpower effects,” Lt. Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., commander, US Air Forces Central Command said in the statement.
The B-52 is a long-range multi-purpose heavy bomber. The Central Command last used them during Operation Desert Storm against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, when the aircraft flew sorties from Saudi Arabia."

One wonders if a carpet bombing approach will increase or decrease the stated aim, to rid the Syrian countryside and cities without killing even more "woman and children", rather than creating more terrorists.

After all it was so successful in the Gulf wars, the Afghani wars, the Vietnamese war .......

**OhOh** · 10-04-2016, 04:20 PM

^^I know how you feel harry. Will either of us ever see the light, or will we both be able to claim victory - depending on which "report" we read.

At least our skirmishes are limited to words.

**harrybarracuda** · 10-04-2016, 05:51 PM

You don't know an obvious show pony when you see one.

Especially as Kerry was out here over the weekend schmoozing with all the nobs.

**CaptainNemo** · 10-04-2016, 07:03 PM

With all these conflicts, the answer is neo-colonialism.

You need to permanently take over the best bits of the country, and fortify them, and build proper functioning modern states there, and entrench the new norm over many generations (at least a century or two) such that the alternative is unknown; and leave the rest to mad max and his mates.
You can't have a situation with multiple internecine conflicts and countless swarms of refugees and economic migrants pouring everywhere - it's bad for business, and we need a functioning planetary economy if we are to have any hope of getting beyond Earth to anywhere else.

It seems now that the silly baby boomer lefty 60s/70s crap is on the way out, and there is hope for a return to pax colonia.

**MrG** · 10-04-2016, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Another one of your unattributed fairy stories.

Harry:

Covert CIA Mission to Arm Syrian Rebels Goes Awry - WSJ

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/wo...bels.html?_r=0

Arming Syrian rebels: Where the US went wrong - BBC News

Another link added:

The Syrian Revolution Against al Qaeda | Foreign Policy

Originally Posted by MrG

F'ing liar. This is what the link you provided actually says. Quote: Infantry Weapons US arms shipment to Syrian rebels detailed Documents released by the US government's Federal Business Opportunities (FBO) website have provided an indication of the types and numbers of Eastern European weapons and ammunition the United States is providing to Syrian rebel groups as part of a programme that continues despite the widely respected ceasefire in that country.

I am presuming that you believe that the weapons and ammunition that is continuing to be illegally delivered, as part of an illegal "programme" and against is international law - well maybe not an exceptional coalition, to the "rebels", is for their victory celebrations.

You believe the weapons and ammunition is not being handed over to UN recognised terrorist organisations voluntarily or being taken from the said "rebels" by the UN recognised terrorists.

Why would peace loving "rebels" need weapons and ammunition?

If not to stock up for round 2, if that is the case Ameristan is supplying weapons to a terrorist organisation illegally. Or do you still consider a person who takes up arms, uses them against a countries civilians, a countries armed forces and police is not a terrorist?

Lots of blather, many rhetorical questions that insinuate you know something, but no proof, no links, no nothing except hot air.

**OhOh** · 11-04-2016, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by MrG

but no proof, no links, no nothing except hot air.

Proof: How is proof defined? The number of internet pages devoted to the subject, copies of signed documents, published reports of governments ministers speeches, even the odd video.
Links: Abundantly available and given, but are they sufficient to you as proof?
Hot Air: I am in Thailand, where is there no hot air?

You are correct of course, I haven't been at any of the top secret meetings, I do not receive any signed documents from the intelligence agencies, I do not listen in on the worlds leaders telephone conversations, I don't spend long cosy evenings shooting the breeze with the POTUSE, The LORD or HM ....

When you have that type of access, even if you did would you be able to admit and prove it? How do you prove it - to your questioners satisfaction?

All, probably, answered in the previous 1961 posts. Or have I adopted some posters use of "invisible" words?

Meanwhile allegedly Syrians are returning to their homes.

Proof: 1 internet page of writing , 1 photograph, a search engine delivers 163,000 results (0.68 seconds)

Links: http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950122001341

Hot Air: Probably, but you may never accept any "evidence" from such a notorious/habitual liar as me.

You have formed your opinion of me, care to provide, proof, links to back up your assertion?

**birding** · 12-04-2016, 11:15 AM

The Syrian Civil War is continuing to grind on, with both Russia and the US-led West aiding various sides of the conflict.
Part of US support to various Syrian rebel groups includes sending arms and armaments through Turkey.
And, according to IHS Jane's based on documents released by the US's Federal Business Opportunities website, the US passed an exceedingly large amount of munitions into Syria in December 2015.
Here is a sampling of what the US sent to the Syrian rebels.

7.62x39 mm

Wikimedia

Total weight: 134,188 kg (295, 833 pounds)
The US sent close to 300,000 pounds of 7.62x39 mm ammunition to the Syrian rebels.
These rifle cartridges can be used for older models of the AK-47.
Source: IHS Jane's

7.62x54 mm

Wikipedia Commons

Total weight: 67,404 kg (148,600 pounds)
The 7.62x54 mm cartridge is an older variety of ammunition that was first created by the Russian Empire. It has since been adapted multiple times, and can be used in a variety of weapons.
Most likely, based on the other items the US is sending to the Syrian rebels, the ammunition is intended to be used with the PK machine gun, which the US is also sending to the rebels.
Source: IHS Jane's

14.5×114mm

Wikimedia Commons

Total weight: 369,681 kg (815,007 pounds)
The 14.55 mm cartridge is a Soviet ammunition that is primarily used for heavy machine guns. The ammunition can also be used for anti-aircraft fire and for taking both armored and unarmored vehicles.

Source: IHS Jane's

9M111M

Wikimedia Commons

9K113 Konkurs missile system (launcher and missile) and a 9M111M Faktoriya missile in launch tube (standing)

Total weight: 21,693 kg (47,824 pounds)
The 9M111M is a wire-guided anti-tank missile. The missile has a range of 1.6 miles, can be optically guided against its targets, and can penetrate the armor of certain tanks and vehicles.
Source: IHS Jane's
Faktoria launchers

Faktoria launchers

Jaish al-Izzah via IHS Janes

A still from a video released by the Syrian rebel group Jaish al-Izzah on 16 December 2015 shows one of its fighters preparing to fire an ATGW that could be either a 9K111 Fagot or a 9K111M Faktoria, the two being externally identical. Jaish al-Izzah also uses US-made TOW ATGWs.

Total weight: 2,720 kg (5,996 pounds)
Faktoria launchers are the launch tubes that fire 9M111M missiles.
Source: IHS Jane's

PKM

Wikimedia Commons

Total weight: 6,340 kg (13,977 pounds)
The PK machine gun is a general-purpose machine gun that can be used in a variety of situations. The weapon can be used by front-line infantry, as well as being used as a vehicle-mounted weapon.
Source: IHS Jane's

RPG-7

Kenneth Lane/US Marine Corps

Total weight: 4,120 kg (9,083 pounds)
-7VTThe US sent a number of RPG-7 launchers to the Syrian rebels with a range of munitions. In addition to the launch tubes, the US delivered 151,237 pounds of PG-7VM munitions and 275,619 pounds of PG munitions.
Both warheads are intended for use against tanks.
Source: IHS Jane's

AK-47 & DShK

Wikimedia Commons

Total weight: 12,250 kg (27,006 pounds)
Due to the method of US accounting for arms shipments, some armaments were listed together. IHS Jane's notes that the US logged 27,006 pounds of a joint AK-47 and DShK shipment.
AK-47s are one of the most popular rifles used in the world due to their ease of use and sturdiness. The DShK is a heavy machine gun that can also be used as a heavy infantry machine gun.
Source: IHS Jane's

AK-47 & PKM

STRINGER Iraq/REUTERS

Total weight: 6,540 kg (14,418 pounds)
In addition to sending PKMs by themselves, the US also sent a bundle of AK-47s and PKMs to the Syrian rebels.
Source: IHS Jane's

DShK & RPG-7

SpecialOperations.com

Total weight: 3,585 kg (7,903 pounds)
Additionally, the US sent a 7,903 pound bundle of DShK and RPG-7s to the Syrian rebels.
Source: IHS Jane's

**birding** · 14-04-2016, 08:12 PM

Isis’s army is at its lowest level for two years and the group’s fighters “realise their cause is lost”, Barack Obama has said, after Pentagon officials claimed US air strikes had killed 25,000 militants.

The US President said the jihadist group had lost 40 per cent of its territories in Iraq and 10 per cent of those in Syria, as coalition-backed local forces have pushed forward to just outside Isis’s Iraqi stronghold of Mosul.

Mr Obama sounded a positive note as he spoke in a meeting at the CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, adding the group has suffered financial as well as military setbacks and reporting some successes in cyber operations to disrupt Isis communications.

“In other words, the [Isis] core in Syria and Iraq continues to shrink,” he said. “Their ranks of fighters are estimated to be at the lowest levels in about two years, and more and more of them are realizing that their cause is lost.”
But the President also sounded a note of caution, warning Isis has actually gained ground and numbers in Libya as it has been squeezed in Syria and Iraq.

In a Fox News interview aired on Sunday, Mr Obama revealed he believes his “worst mistake” in office was the failure to plan for the aftermath of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s downfall.

Previously, US officials have pointed to intelligence suggesting Isis numbers in Libya have doubled in the past year up to around 5,000 fighters.
“As we, our allies and partners have made it harder for foreign terrorists to reach Syria and Iraq, we’ve seen an uptick in the number of Isis fighters heading to Libya,” Mr Obama said.

More or less as the President was speaking, the US State Department released its annual report into the state of human rights around the world – naming Syria as the worst country in the regard.

And even as he praised recent military successes against Isis in its territories, the Mr Obama sounded a sobering note.
“As I’ve said repeatedly, the only way to truly destroy Isis is to end the Syrian civil war that Isis has exploited,” he said.

Isis fighters 'realise cause is lost' as numbers hit two-year low, Barack Obama says | Middle East | News | The Independent

(Yea right the civil war that you and the Saudi's started by arming the rebels)

**birding** · 14-04-2016, 08:24 PM

An American-made Iraqi army tank that locals have fondly nicknamed "The Beast" is playing a major role driving the Islamic State group from a town on the frontlines, a Pentagon official said Wednesday.

Baghdad-based spokesman Colonel Steve Warren recounted the exploits of the M-1 Abrams tank in Heet in response to a question about whether the Iraqi military is taking too long to expel IS jihadists and lacks the will to fight.
On Monday, Iraqi security forces (ISF) raised the Iraqi flag over government buildings in Heet, in Anbar province.

"This M-1 tank has been driving all around Heet, crazy, and blasting IEDs (roadside bombs), punching holes in enemy defenses and maneuvering between multiple engagements," Warren said.

"This tank has become a little bit of a folk hero here in Iraq. They've nicknamed this tank 'The Beast.' So now all of a sudden, The Beast has become a thing here."
Warren later retweeted a video of the tank -- provided by the US -- blowing up a car purportedly carrying explosives. Three tanks had initially been deployed to Heet but two were out of the fight for mechanical reasons.

The US military is keen to highlight examples of Iraqi security forces making progress against the IS group, which seized vast swathes of Iraq and Syria in 2014, including the key Iraqi cities Ramadi and Mosul.

Despite some major setbacks, including the recapture of Ramadi, the IS group still controls large areas of the two countries and critics have accused the US-backed Iraqi military of lacking the skills and temperament to fight back.

Warren said The Beast illustrates a fresh resolve for Iraqis to fight the IS group and he praised the actions of some units, especially the Peshmerga of Iraq's autonomous Kurdish region.

"We are seeing these examples over and over of small units whose confidence, whose competence, whose morale is growing and strengthening and expanding," he said.

"That tends to have... a ripple effect across units."
"We estimate that 75 percent of the city (Heet) is now clear and that ISF will push (the IS group) completely out of the city in the coming days," he added.

'The Beast' gobbling up IS fighters in Iraq: US

Note that 2 out of the 3 they have are out of action, read broken down.

**raycarey** · 14-04-2016, 09:19 PM

what will it take to get rid of isis?

access to education (for males and females) modern health care, and legitimate economic opportunity.

bring those three things to the region, and isis will lose support.

keep dropping bombs and engaging in proxy wars, and it will never truly disappear...it will only morph into something more vicious.

**Dapper** · 14-04-2016, 09:38 PM

America created the taliban.

Then they created Al CIAda.

And then they created ISIS.

Not fucking rocket science folks.

OK, Tony Blair helped out. The filthy fucking Judas.

**longway** · 14-04-2016, 11:42 PM

what will it take to get rid of isis?

access to education (for males and females) modern health care, and legitimate economic opportunity.

bring those three things to the region, and isis will lose support.

and a secularist minded strongman dictator who is able to kill anyone who disagrees, as they don't have the institutional strength to support a democracy.

**birding** · 15-04-2016, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by longway

what will it take to get rid of isis?

access to education (for males and females) modern health care, and legitimate economic opportunity.

bring those three things to the region, and isis will lose support.

and a secularist minded strongman dictator who is able to kill anyone who disagrees, as they don't have the institutional strength to support a democracy.

They (the coalition of the killing) have already killed off two of those with disasterous results to the countries and people of those countries. They are at present going for the trifecta and have so far killed and displaced millions in the attempt.
All for humanitarian reasons.

**OhOh** · 15-04-2016, 12:47 PM

It appears that Ameristan has the plan B ready.

Increase the number, quality and efficiency of the arms supplied to the "good" terrorist, to be promptly removed from their care and use, by the bad terrorists.

Seems a good plan to extend the terrorists ability to wage war on the Syrian women and children. A good incentive to the moderate "terrorist" who signed up for the ceasefire to go back to their old "bad" terrorist budies with some new toys.

U.S. Readies 'Plan B' to Arm Syria Rebels

"04/12/16 09:25 PM EDT WASHINGTON—The Central Intelligence Agency and its regional partners have drawn up plans to supply more-powerful weapons to moderate rebels in Syria fighting the Russia-backed regime in the event the country's six-week-old truce collapses, according to U.S. and other officials.

The preparations for a so-called Plan B center on providing vetted rebel units with weapons systems that would help them in directing attacks against Syrian regime aircraft and artillery positions, the officials said.The Wall Street Journal first reported in February that President Barack Obama's top military and intelligence advisers were pressing the White House to come up with a Plan B to counter Russia in Syria. Since then, fresh details have emerged on the nature of the new weaponry that could be deployed under the covert program."

Allegedly democratic government elections were held in Syria yesterday. No results from the number crunchers yet it seems. No problems, the German and Ameristani politicians have already decided they will be fraudulent. After all their elections are.

**birding** · 15-04-2016, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

It appears that Ameristan has the plan B ready.

Increase the number, quality and efficiency of the arms supplied to the "good" terrorist, to be promptly removed from their care and use, by the bad terrorists.

Seems a good plan to extend the terrorists ability to wage war on the Syrian women and children. A good incentive to the moderate "terrorist" who signed up for the ceasefire to go back to their old "bad" terrorist budies with some new toys.

U.S. Readies 'Plan B' to Arm Syria Rebels

"04/12/16 09:25 PM EDT WASHINGTON—The Central Intelligence Agency and its regional partners have drawn up plans to supply more-powerful weapons to moderate rebels in Syria fighting the Russia-backed regime in the event the country's six-week-old truce collapses, according to U.S. and other officials.

The preparations for a so-called Plan B center on providing vetted rebel units with weapons systems that would help them in directing attacks against Syrian regime aircraft and artillery positions, the officials said.The Wall Street Journal first reported in February that President Barack Obama's top military and intelligence advisers were pressing the White House to come up with a Plan B to counter Russia in Syria. Since then, fresh details have emerged on the nature of the new weaponry that could be deployed under the covert program."

Allegedly democratic government elections were held in Syria yesterday. No results from the number crunchers yet it seems. No problems, the German and Ameristani politicians have already decided they will be fraudulent. After all their elections are.

Yes indeed the good merikans have used the ceasefire to resupply the rebels, thats the ceasefire that was only agreed to by the rebels because they were losing to the Syrian army.

Meanwhile the Syrian army has taken the opportunity, when they didnt have to fight the rebels, to concentrate on dispatching IS from Palmya, Assad hails Syrian regime's capture of Palmyra from Isis | World news | The Guardian

**Neverna** · 15-04-2016, 02:10 PM

Thousands of refugees flee for Turkish border after surprise Isis attack
Syrian refugees flee after camps are overrun by Isis but find themselves being shot at by Turkish border troops

The camps were abandoned en masse, with up to 5,000 people heading towards the main border point in the area. Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images

A new wave of refugees has fled northern Syria for the Turkish border after Islamic State opened fire on communities that had sheltered them, killing at least three people and uprooting thousands more.

The killings came as the terror group pushed back Syrian opposition forces who had edged to within five miles of Dabiq, a highly symbolic village that the group’s leaders believe is the pre-ordained epicentre of a clash that will herald an apocalyptic showdown.

The Isis advance appeared to catch the opposition off guard after 12 days of gains in the same area, which had seen it move closer to Dabiq than at any time in the past three years.

Units linked to the Free Syria Army, which led the offensive, said they never intended to seize the village, and were instead intending to push further across the north towards the town of Minbij, which lies roughly halfway between Isis’s two largest hubs in the area, al-Bab and Raqqa.

“We knew they would fight for Dabiq like crazy, so why bother attacking them there,” said a leader of an opposition unit whose forces had earlier this week seized the adjoining village of al-Rai. After being beaten back by Isis, he said: “It was never strategic for us. The east of their so-called caliphate is the target that matters.”

Up to 10 camps for internally displaced people were overrun by Isis on Thursday. Camp residents told the Guardian that members of the group had first approached them with loud speakers, urging them to move towards areas they controlled.

Some tried instead to cross the Turkish border but were shot at by Turkish troops. The camps were then abandoned en masse, with up to 5,000 people heading towards the main border point in the area, near the town of Azaz.

That crossing has remained closed for most of the year, with Turkey resisting pressure to allow earlier exoduses fleeing a three-month Russian air bombardment of eastern Aleppo and the northern countryside, all of which are in opposition control.

“The border is supposed to be a refuge, but it is a barrier to push us back into hell, said Abdul Aziz Rizk, who had fled the Iqdah camp. “All we want to do is get out of here.”

Azaz is already home to up to 30,000 refugees from earlier in the year, and Turkish officials have insisted they will continue to refuse permission to cross to all but urgent medical cases and essential family visits.

The International Rescue Committee said it would provide aid to the new arrivals. “We are seeing thousands of people arrive at the border, and more than a thousand families supported by the IRC at a displacement camp in Aleppo province have fled to Azaz and nearby villages,” said Turkey country director Frank McManus. “The IRC will be responding by providing clean water to as many of the new arrivals as possible.”

More here.
Thousands of refugees flee for Turkish border after surprise Isis attack | World news | The Guardian

**birding** · 15-04-2016, 05:21 PM

BEIRUT - Syrian regime forces on Friday battled Islamic State group jihadists near Aleppo city as they clashed with a local Al-Qaeda affiliate and allied rebels nearby, a monitoring group said.

The upsurge in fighting, which the United States says is straining a fragile truce, came as a new round of peace talks got under way in Geneva.
"Fierce fighting raged between regime troops and loyalist militia against IS... to the east of Khanasser" southeast of Aleppo city, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

The army is trying to recapture several areas seized by IS on Thursday near Khanasser, the Britain-based monitor said.
Meanwhile, troops and militia loyal to President Bashar al-Assad's regime battled Syria's Al-Qaeda affiliate Al-Nusra Front and allied rebels on a northern front in the battered province, the group said.
At least 14 troops and pro-regime militiamen as well as 20 rebels and Al-Nusra jihadists have been killed in the past 24 hours around the flashpoint area of Handarat north of Aleppo city, it said.

The latest violence came a day after a senior official in Washington told AFP that the United States was "very concerned" about reports of a Russian-backed Syrian government offensive near Aleppo.

Even though the fight against IS and Al-Nusra is excluded from the truce, violence around Aleppo has sparked concerns that the ceasefire may not last, partly because rebels are involved in the battles there too.

"Aleppo is the key to war and peace in Syria," Observatory director Rami Abdel Rahman told AFP.
"Every side in the war has a stake in Aleppo."

Syria's conflict began in 2011 as a peaceful revolt, with protests across the country that spread in 2012 to Aleppo province, which borders Turkey.

Syrian army fights on two fronts near Aleppo: monitor | Daily Mail Online

**OhOh** · 17-04-2016, 12:36 PM

The Royal Air force has been doing it's bit to ensure this terrorist war stops, NOW.

Formidable Force? UK Commits Only Four Airstrikes In Syria In Five Weeks

"The United Kingdom Ministry of Defense posts monthly official statistics of airstrikes in Iraq and Syria since October 2014. According to its latest publication, only three or four air strikes took place during last five weeks. This is less than 14 strikes that took place in January or seven in February.

This barely corresponds to British Prime Minister David Cameron's claims that UK forces would play a "vital, battle-winning" role in the conflict."

Of course we wonder which "vital, battle-winning" role in the conflict." the current UK PM is referring too, which war and which side of the war, the Syrian People or I$S$?A list of confirmed terrorists killed would help, pictures of the bombs exploding in the desert always goes down well with the UK taxpayer, maybe some pictures of the recent election voting, Syrians with their small children or maybe a tweet from the POTUSE congratulating him on his recent income boost from his dear old mum.

**Neverna** · 19-04-2016, 04:03 PM

It seems the ceasefire is on the verge of collapse.

Syria conflict: Rebels vow retaliatory attacks against government - BBC News

Rebels say they have begun a new battle in north-western Syria in response to alleged truce violations by the army.

A statement announced the formation of a joint operations room following what it said was an increase in attacks on residential areas and displaced people.

Rebels were said to have subsequently launched attacks in the province of Latakia and in neighbouring Hama.

Meanwhile, the Syrian opposition delegation in Geneva said it intended to suspend formal peace talks.

escalating fighting in recent days, particularly around the divided northern city of Aleppo, has left it on the verge of collapse.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that rebels had launched an assault on the positions of government forces and their allies in Latakia's northern countryside early on Monday and by midday had made advances.

The UK-based monitoring group also said rebels were close to taking over the town of Khirbat al-Naqus, in the strategically important Sahl al-Ghab plain in the north-west of Hama province.

A Syrian military source confirmed the attacks, according to the Reuters news agency.

Meanwhile, the Syrian Observatory said four people were killed in heavy government air strikes in northern Homs province.

Twenty-two civilians were killed over the weekend in Aleppo, with at least 16 dying as a result of rebel shell- and sniper-fire and the six others dying in government air strikes, according to the group.

Militants from the group known as Islamic State (IS), which along with the rival jihadist group al-Nusra Front is excluded from the cessation of hostilities, have meanwhile seized more territory from rebel groups near the Turkish border north of Aleppo, forcing some 35,000 civilians to flee towards the opposition-held town of Azaz.

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