Page 5 of 120 FirstFirst 123456789101112131555105 ... LastLast
Results 101 to 125 of 2984
  1. #101
    Thailand Expat
    OhOh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Online
    Yesterday @ 07:29 PM
    Location
    Where troubles melt like lemon drops
    Posts
    11,744
    The Hezbollah guy in Lebanon has called exactly for the Arab world to unite against ISIS/DESHA/..........

    http://thesaker.is/hezbollah-secreta...over-in-syria/

    It's long and rambling, but the statement is there.
    Last edited by OhOh; 28-02-2015 at 11:54 AM.

  2. #102
    Custom user
    Neverna's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Teakdoor forum upgrade office
    Posts
    11,980
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The Hezbollah guy in Lebanon has called exactly for the Arab world to unite against ISIS/DESHA/..........

    Hezbollah Secretary General Nasrallah: ?The game is over in Syria? | The Vineyard of the Saker

    It's long and rambling, but the statement is there.
    Thanks for that, OhOh. A fascinating read.

    Interesting to note that Nasrallah uses the term takfiri to describe ISIL/daesh - Takfiri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Nasrallah also seems to be saying that Arab and Muslim countries should put their differences aside and unite against IS. I wonder if they will.
    signature

  3. #103
    Hansum Man!
    panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    22-03-2016 @ 01:08 PM
    Location
    South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    18,507
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    Nasrallah also seems to be saying that Arab and Muslim countries should put their differences aside and unite against IS. I wonder if they will.
    As soon as it snows in Qatar in August . . .

  4. #104
    Fresh Seaman CaptainNemo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Online
    Yesterday @ 07:33 PM
    Location
    in t' naughty lass
    Posts
    5,058

    World War III or Head in the Sand

    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    A good start. Then have the international news agencies stop their constant broadcasting of IS atrocities. Just what IS wants. Get's the nutters all worked up.
    Shure.

    Then what? They go on chopping heads whilly nilly?

    W/out the presentation upon the word's stage re the atrocities they won't have any
    conpulsion to not chop away whenever. Remember, we're living in the world of Twitter, Snapcheck etc. This isn't contained or spun ala Walter Concrite, Dan Rathers etc.
    So then you have to make a conscious decision to commit to total war, and re-establishing imperial rule over these backwaters, and enforcing law and order. It's like pregancy - you're either all the way in or all the way out.

    Lefties obviously don't want war, but the world benefits from a really good war... cull the population, reorganise things, and lots of innovation happens... not to mention it reminds people of what's important, and fosters unity.

    ...but you can't run a successful campaign with a constant running commentary from the media, and the threat of legal action against soldiers for fog of war incidents. The media are complicit in ISIS, they are a function of which ISIS is the output, and need to be temporarily muzzled to fix this problem (as happened in WWII).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1F2i0rYMj8

    we are all figments of our own imagination.

  5. #105
    Thailand Expat
    rickschoppers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Thailand
    Posts
    7,061
    War will not rid the world of ISIS, as has previously been explained. Armed conflict, in this case, will only slow the advance of ISIS domination. My preference would be to have a less destructive solution. I would also prefer any confict be muslim against muslim as it has been for thousands of years.

  6. #106
    Lord of Swine
    Necron99's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Nahkon Sawon
    Posts
    13,025
    IS or some form of it exists in every Islamic country.
    All it take for fundamentalist Islam to rise and begin fighting is the absence of suppression.
    No power vacuum, no IS.

  7. #107
    Thailand Expat
    rickschoppers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Thailand
    Posts
    7,061
    The comment "or some form", is a pretty broad statement. It is also a theory that every Islamic country contains ISIS counterparts. We need more specific facts to validate your thought that a power vacuum would end IS.

  8. #108
    Hansum Man!
    panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    22-03-2016 @ 01:08 PM
    Location
    South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    18,507
    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99
    No power vacuum, no IS.
    Quite right.

    If ISIS or some other extremist group were to try to overthrow a government from within, SA, Qatar, Kuwait, Malaysia etc... they would be rotting in jail.

    Give them a lawless area and they will cause havoc . . . irrespective of how well someone like the so-called Iraqi amy is armed and trained

  9. #109
    Lord of Swine
    Necron99's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Nahkon Sawon
    Posts
    13,025
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    The comment "or some form", is a pretty broad statement. It is also a theory that every Islamic country contains ISIS counterparts. We need more specific facts to validate your thought that a power vacuum would end IS.
    Boko Haram, MILF, IS, South Thailand, they (Fundamentalist Muslims who will use extreme violence to secure their Islamic state are everywhere.
    Libya was fine under Ghadaffi, take him away and it's a basket case, same with Saddam and Iraq. Weaken Assad by supporting rebels and look what's happened...
    Give Egypt democracy and what did they do?
    There is a reason the only relatively successful countries in the area are ruled by Despots who will not brook a sliver of dissent.

  10. #110
    En route
    Cujo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Last Online
    Yesterday @ 09:55 PM
    Location
    Reality.
    Posts
    25,906
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    War will not rid the world of ISIS, as has previously been explained. Armed conflict, in this case, will only slow the advance of ISIS domination. My preference would be to have a less destructive solution. I would also prefer any confict be muslim against muslim as it has been for thousands of years.
    And when the one Muslim faction wins out against the other and turns it's agression towards the west, what then?

    And by the way, what would your 'less destructive solution' be?

  11. #111
    En route
    Cujo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Last Online
    Yesterday @ 09:55 PM
    Location
    Reality.
    Posts
    25,906
    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    The comment "or some form", is a pretty broad statement. It is also a theory that every Islamic country contains ISIS counterparts. We need more specific facts to validate your thought that a power vacuum would end IS.
    Boko Haram, MILF, IS, South Thailand, they (Fundamentalist Muslims who will use extreme violence to secure their Islamic state are everywhere.
    Libya was fine under Ghadaffi, take him away and it's a basket case, same with Saddam and Iraq. Weaken Assad by supporting rebels and look what's happened...
    Give Egypt democracy and what did they do?
    There is a reason the only relatively successful countries in the area are ruled by Despots who will not brook a sliver of dissent.
    And that there is it in a nutshell.
    Well said that man.
    "In my professional assessment as an intelligence officer, Trump has a reflexive, defensive, monumentally narcissistic personality, for whom the facts and national interest are irrelevant, and the only thing that counts is whatever gives personal advantage and directs attention to himself."

  12. #112
    Thailand Expat
    rickschoppers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Thailand
    Posts
    7,061
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    War will not rid the world of ISIS, as has previously been explained. Armed conflict, in this case, will only slow the advance of ISIS domination. My preference would be to have a less destructive solution. I would also prefer any confict be muslim against muslim as it has been for thousands of years.
    And when the one Muslim faction wins out against the other and turns it's agression towards the west, what then?

    And by the way, what would your 'less destructive solution' be?
    What makes you so sure the winning Muslim faction will turn its aggression toward the west?

    As has already been mentioned, Muslim talking to Muslim does not always mean they have to go to war against each other.

  13. #113
    Lord of Swine
    Necron99's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Nahkon Sawon
    Posts
    13,025
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    War will not rid the world of ISIS, as has previously been explained. Armed conflict, in this case, will only slow the advance of ISIS domination. My preference would be to have a less destructive solution. I would also prefer any confict be muslim against muslim as it has been for thousands of years.
    And when the one Muslim faction wins out against the other and turns it's agression towards the west, what then?

    And by the way, what would your 'less destructive solution' be?
    What makes you so sure the winning Muslim faction will turn its aggression toward the west?

    As has already been mentioned, Muslim talking to Muslim does not always mean they have to go to war against each other.

    Because the west supports the stable moderate Islamic states. The states they will want to add to their Caliphate.

  14. #114
    Thailand Expat
    rickschoppers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Thailand
    Posts
    7,061
    You are assuming the stable moderate islamic states will not be the muslim faction that comes out on top.

  15. #115
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    18,041
    The deed has been accomplished right under our noses.

    Another series of boggiemen created, and we continue to debate about good and evil, just as they want us to.

  16. #116
    Thailand Expat
    rickschoppers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Thailand
    Posts
    7,061
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The Hezbollah guy in Lebanon has called exactly for the Arab world to unite against ISIS/DESHA/..........

    Hezbollah Secretary General Nasrallah: ?The game is over in Syria? | The Vineyard of the Saker

    It's long and rambling, but the statement is there.
    Thanks for that, OhOh. A fascinating read.

    Interesting to note that Nasrallah uses the term takfiri to describe ISIL/daesh - Takfiri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Nasrallah also seems to be saying that Arab and Muslim countries should put their differences aside and unite against IS. I wonder if they will.
    They will have to if they really want to either put an end to ISIS or fold them into the large entity known as the Muslim nation. I personally have found that Muslims are not the easiest to deal with when it means a concession or two is needed by one or more of the partys.

    I would hope this putting of differences aside can work. If it doesn't we all could be in for quite a long and wild ride.

  17. #117
    Thailand Expat Pound Hound's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Last Online
    26-03-2016 @ 09:24 AM
    Location
    Honolulu
    Posts
    1,001

  18. #118
    Thailand Expat Black Heart's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Planet Cylon
    Posts
    3,021
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The Hezbollah guy in Lebanon has called exactly for the Arab world to unite against ISIS/DESHA/..........

    Hezbollah Secretary General Nasrallah: ?The game is over in Syria? | The Vineyard of the Saker

    It's long and rambling, but the statement is there.
    Because Hezbollah is Shiite.

  19. #119
    I am in Jail
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:29 AM
    Posts
    757
    ^ So's the weather. S'posed to be Spring

  20. #120
    Thailand Expat
    wasabi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Last Online
    Yesterday @ 11:28 PM
    Location
    England
    Posts
    10,420
    Quote Originally Posted by Pound Hound View Post
    Miss You big time, You fought Iran, in a context of Europe's WW1 madness because the west controlled your mind.
    West sold you arms big time, and Russia supplied the other side, haven't we been here before.
    You are a Martyr of Western deception , and now they follow You, in death Ba'ath Party .
    How did Bush get this so wrong.

  21. #121
    Thailand Expat
    rickschoppers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Thailand
    Posts
    7,061
    Which Bush?

  22. #122
    Thailand Expat
    robuzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Last Online
    19-12-2015 @ 05:51 PM
    Location
    Paese dei Balocchi
    Posts
    7,848
    ^The second. The first one understood how to do a punitive expedition (and how to deal with Russians). He wasn't a neocon.

    It shouldn't be too hard to isolate ISIS in Mosul now the Kurds have cut them off from the north- something like the Anaconda Plan in the US Civil War, writ small. Little or no traffic in or out of Mosul doesn't look like it would be too difficult to manage.
    “You can lead a horticulture but you can’t make her think.” Dorothy Parker

  23. #123
    Thailand Expat
    rickschoppers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Thailand
    Posts
    7,061
    Bush the second just wanted to finish what his father started while seeking some revenge for 9/11 at the same time.

    I hope you are right about the Kurds.

  24. #124
    Thailand Expat
    robuzo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Last Online
    19-12-2015 @ 05:51 PM
    Location
    Paese dei Balocchi
    Posts
    7,848
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Bush the second just wanted to finish what his father started while seeking some revenge for 9/11 at the same time.
    Neither of those reasons makes any sense- GHW Bush deliberately left things the way he did, not because of any inability to finish what he started. As for 9/11, that's just silly. Maybe if they had invaded Saudi. . . Dubya was an incompetent fool (unlike his old man) caught up in Uncle Dick's wet dream, but OT in any case.

    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    I hope you are right about the Kurds.
    Kurdish troops cut off ISIS supply route; fears mount for 90 kidnapped Christians - Middle East - Israel News | Haaretz
    Kurdish militia pressed a big offensive against Islamic State in northeast Syria on Wednesday, cutting one of its supply lines from Iraq, as fears mounted for dozens of Christians abducted by the hardline group that recently beheaded 21 Egyptian Copts.
    ---
    In the battle for Tikrit, ISIS is finding itself up against Qassim Suleimani. If the US played this smart they could offer support while leaning on Suleimani/Iran to ensure that Shia militias refrain from reprisals against Sunnis in exchange for air support. Going to have to work with Iran again for this to work, just as the US leaned on Iran in Afghanistan, with great success (and which the Americans seemed to forget, just as they leaned on Russia in Afghanistan). The Saudis won't like it and neither will Likud, but so what?

  25. #125
    Thailand Expat
    rickschoppers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Thailand
    Posts
    7,061
    OK, let's just say GWB went to war with Iraq because he could.

    It will be interesting to see what happens in Tikrit. So far it seems to be moving slowly and ISIS is said to be well dug in.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •