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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Maybe an OckerRocket or two would do the trick.
    Indeed it would!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Maybe an OckerRocket or two would do the trick.


    Even better.

    Or.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    I have my doubts than any single country claims to have the best. The USA shrills certainly tells everyone they have the best
    Here is a short lesson on what 'state of the art' means in relation to high altitude endurance surveillance (and engagement!) technology.

    Say hello to the MQ9 Reaper.



    Operational ceiling: 50,000 feet
    Surveilance Tech: Gorgon Stare wide area (100 km2) video surveillance at 12 fps at 1.8 billion pixels per frame using 368 camera array
    Payload: 1.7 tonnes of air to surface missiles
    Endurance: 43 hours

    Do you see the flag on the side.

    Here it is a bit bigger.



    So can you point us to some non-US surveillance tech which will out gun the MQ9?

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    Possibly thr reason for not "sharing" duff chatter is to continue the illousion of supremacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    ISIS has surely enraged enough countries in the world to warrent their demise.

    What will it take to get rid of these assholes?
    Unplugging the internet?

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    A good start. Then have the international news agencies stop their constant broadcasting of IS atrocities. Just what IS wants. Get's the nutters all worked up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    A good start. Then have the international news agencies stop their constant broadcasting of IS atrocities. Just what IS wants. Get's the nutters all worked up.
    Shure.

    Then what? They go on chopping heads whilly nilly?

    W/out the presentation upon the word's stage re the atrocities they won't have any
    conpulsion to not chop away whenever. Remember, we're living in the world of Twitter, Snapcheck etc. This isn't contained or spun ala Walter Concrite, Dan Rathers etc.

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    So I am getting the feeling that ISIS is not just some rebels wanting to take over Iraq. Instead, they are portraying themselves as the new nation for all muslims regardless of your nationality. They are now comprised of UK citizens, Australian citizens, US citizens and many other nationalities who are all muslim. They seem to be fighting to take over all of the world similar to Hitler since they are killing people of other religions and other sects of islam.

    Am I on the right track? If so, there is no real way to defeat or destroy ISIS since they represent individuals all over the world. They have effectively used social media to recruit members and it seems to be working. How can you eliminate such a threat? Is it even possible using conventional weapons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    So I am getting the feeling that ISIS is not just some rebels wanting to take over Iraq. Instead, they are portraying themselves as the new nation for all muslims regardless of your nationality. They are now comprised of UK citizens, Australian citizens, US citizens and many other nationalities who are all muslim.

    Am I on the right track?
    Yes. They are claiming a Caliphate.

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...9739/Caliphate

    Caliphate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    I so, there is no real way to defeat or destroy ISIS since they represent individuals all over the world. They have effectively used social media to recruit members and it seems to be working. How can you eliminate such a threat? Is it even possible using conventional weapons?
    Oh it's an easy task.

    The major concentrations - annihilate them along with their camp followers - a la the US armed forces in Falluja, Iraq.

    The members of the local communities - round them up and put in an area of land, with no water, no access to education, no access to medical treatment. Surround it with an army/navy/airforce and call in Palestine

    The odds and sods fly them to a deserted island, torture them and then dump them in the ocean.

    It's just we never go all in. Half measures never work.

    Stop them now or stop the cause of them joining together as a force to fight back with their long sharp knives, stolen weapons, stolen oil, stolen gold, stolen media savvy marketing consultants.

    Or we admit that it is all a farce! Drummed up, planned, executed supported, armed, managed and publicised by .................... RUSSIA!!

    Sure does seem to be easy to steal stuff in the middle of a desert.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Yep, there are 3 ways.

    1. Carpet bomb or nuke the whole region (inflicting a fair bit of collateral damage)
    2. Send in a few hundred thousand ground troops and risk a few flag-draped body bags being sent home
    3. Defeat the IS "ideology" on an moral, intellectual and religious basis making it unattractive for new recruits.
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    Supporting the Syrian government in its fight against IS rather than supporting forces opposed to the Syrian government might also help quicken the demise of IS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Yep, there are 3 ways.

    1. Carpet bomb or nuke the whole region (inflicting a fair bit of collateral damage)
    2. Send in a few hundred thousand ground troops and risk a few flag-draped body bags being sent home
    3. Defeat the IS "ideology" on an moral, intellectual and religious basis making it unattractive for new recruits.

    1 and 2 are not ways to defeat them, just drive them to another form of organization, and is already happening.

    3. I argued before that is only achievable if the majority of Muslims get behind that cause. It cannot be done by non Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Yep, there are 3 ways.

    1. Carpet bomb or nuke the whole region (inflicting a fair bit of collateral damage)
    2. Send in a few hundred thousand ground troops and risk a few flag-draped body bags being sent home
    3. Defeat the IS "ideology" on an moral, intellectual and religious basis making it unattractive for new recruits.

    1 and 2 are not ways to defeat them, just drive them to another form of organization, and is already happening.

    3. I argued before that is only achievable if the majority of Muslims get behind that cause. It cannot be done by non Muslims.
    My tongue was firmly in my cheek with 1 and 2.

    Surely no sane person would even consider number 1.

    For number 2, I really doubt even a coalition of the willing would send in a few hundred thousand ground troops to Syria and Iraq. And you are right, it won't stop the 'movement', just disperse it for a while.

    Only number 3 is possible. I agree that it cannot be done by non-Muslims. As it has to be done on an intellectual and religious basis, it has to come from a large group of serious and senior religious thinkers, scholars and academics. It's not something that can be done in a few hours over a pot of tea and a 15 second spot on the evening news, or some silly pronouncement on a piece of A4 paper posted on a blog somewhere. It has to be extremely well thought out, detailed and well referenced. That's what IS seem to have done. To counter them, the scholars have to be equally thorough. It will take time, but I think it's the only way. Maybe they are doing that right now. Who knows?

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    ^ You are not going to beat them with words.
    They are destroying mosques and burning libraries full of well researched opinions.
    They are fundamentalists who want to live directly by the word of the prophet, not some Imams interpretation of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    So I am getting the feeling that ISIS is not just some rebels wanting to take over Iraq. Instead, they are portraying themselves as the new nation for all muslims regardless of your nationality.
    Nope, they are fighting for their territory which happened to be vacated when the US chucked out Sadaam . . . Iraq and parts of Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    They seem to be fighting to take over all of the world similar to Hitler
    1) No, they're not - the Caliphate encompasses roughly what the Roman Empire used to . . . and some in this region include the Malay areas of Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philipones

    2) Hitler wanted to take over the world? History must have changed s taught in the US.
    Check out Lebensraum and Germanic lands to give you an idea what the wanted . . . and it has nothing to do with the US, Australia, Argentina, China etc.... that is all simplistic propaganda
    Even Hitler wasn't mad enough to think of world domination . . . not like a certain superpower nowadays

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    Am I on the right track?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    ^ You are not going to beat them with words.
    They are destroying mosques and burning libraries full of well researched opinions.
    They are fundamentalists who want to live directly by the word of the prophet, not some Imams interpretation of it.
    Sorry if I wasn't clear. What I meant by "Defeat the IS "ideology" on an moral, intellectual and religious basis making it unattractive for new recruits" was purely aimed at stopping the flow of new recruits. Yes, the others will have to be defeated some other way. Militarily more than likely.

    Yes, the IS are fundamentalists who perhaps want to live like the prophet (I'm not totally convinced), but that in itself is an interpretation of how the prophet lived. (There is no 100% accurate 'Diary of the Prophet" to follow, and there's no Kalashnikov, rocket launcher, oil refinery or SUV in the Quran or Hadith, and they can't turn the clock back). It's their interpretation of the Quran, Hadiths, Sira and Sunna versus other interpretations. The folks of the IS are justifying their actions by words, by quotes from the Quran and from various Hadith. They are recruiting using words, producing "glossy magazine" style PDF files (available to download on the internet if you search for them), using Facebook, Youtube and Twitter, all with their own take on religious justifications for their 'cause'. It's a battle of minds as much as anything. An intellectual battle. Propaganda, if you will. But it appears to me that IS is winning the propaganda war. Propaganda. Words.

    And when I wrote "senior religious thinkers, scholars and academics", I thought it would be clear that I didn't mean just "some Imam".
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    To make it easier to destroy them, make it a priority destroy their money. Any source of internal revenue, such as oil refineries & pipelines etc, take 'em out. Any external source- such as those that bank for them, or contribute to them, or buy from them, take 'em out. They are Isis too.
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    And apply sanctions ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    So I am getting the feeling that ISIS is not just some rebels wanting to take over Iraq. Instead, they are portraying themselves as the new nation for all muslims regardless of your nationality.
    Nope, they are fighting for their territory which happened to be vacated when the US chucked out Sadaam . . . Iraq and parts of Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    They seem to be fighting to take over all of the world similar to Hitler
    1) No, they're not - the Caliphate encompasses roughly what the Roman Empire used to . . . and some in this region include the Malay areas of Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philipones

    2) Hitler wanted to take over the world? History must have changed s taught in the US.
    Check out Lebensraum and Germanic lands to give you an idea what the wanted . . . and it has nothing to do with the US, Australia, Argentina, China etc.... that is all simplistic propaganda
    Even Hitler wasn't mad enough to think of world domination . . . not like a certain superpower nowadays

    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
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    Ocker, I have to disagree with you (big surprise I know). ISIS does appear to be justifying what they have done because hey fel they are the true representatives of Islam. By taking selected writiings of the Quran, they have justified what they have done and will continue until all muslims recognize them as the only correct religion. To do this they must purify everything around them by killing all others that do not believe in their specific interpretation of Islam.

    ISIS has also destroyed ancient artifacts in Mosul that they feel are false idols and have secretly sold many for cash to fund their fight. Do you really think they will stop once they clense all of the Roman Empire as you state? I don' think so. Their primary goal is to eliminate all infidels and to rule in a manner that is only consitant with their warped interpretations of the Quran.

    If this does not smack of wanting to rule the world, I do not know what does.

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    Let's play Cowboys & Muslims!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Any external source- such as those that bank for them, or contribute to them, or buy from them, take 'em out. They are Isis too.
    Does this include the following:

    1. Buying the oil stolen in the desert?
    2. Training them to use any weapon above and AK47 and IED - other than what can be stolen in the desert?
    3. Supplying them with food, water - other than what can be stolen in the desert?
    4. delivering "intelligence" to enable them to plan and execute their war?
    5. Delivering medical aid - other than what can be stolen in the desert?
    6.


    If the above is followed there would be a lot of crusader coalition countries blacklisted, sanctioned, cut off from SWIFT, bombed etc..

    Taking them out would be pretty difficult, who would do the taking out ISIS?

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    The top photo is when they have run out of "Aid" and are showing The Great Satan they need more "Aid".

    The lower one is when they are collecting the "Aid" dropped to them by their benefactors!

    Cowboys and Indians, more like restocking the livestock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    Their primary goal is to eliminate all muslims/blacks/brown/yellow tribes and to rule in a manner that is only consitant with their warped interpretations of the BIBLE. If this does not smack of wanting to rule the world, I do not know what does.
    Following the Hun/Portuguese/Spanish/British attempts and failures, along with the USA ongoing attempt which will also end in failure.

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    Perhaps the govt's press etc,should stop using IS ISIS ISIL, as the terrorists are not a state.

    I believe the term Daesh is used by the Arabs

    Then again who says the World govt's want to stop them.

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