What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**OhOh** · 19-06-2017, 08:20 PM

Meanwhile RT News is reporting that the Russian Defense Ministry announced any crusader coalition plane or drone will be tracked and targeted

"In the areas of combat missions of Russian air fleet in Syrian skies, any airborne objects, including aircraft and unmanned vehicles of the [US-led] international coalition, located to the west of the Euphrates River, will be tracked by Russian ground and air defense forces as air targets,” the Russian Ministry of Defense stated."

Also stating the allegedly the crusader coalition actions are those of war, against a sovereign country and the agreed mode of communication was not followed.

"Downing the military jet within Syrian airspace “cynically” violates the sovereignty of the Syrian Arab Republic, Russian military said.

The actions of the US Air Force are in fact “military aggression” against Syria, the statement adds.

The ministry emphasized that Russian warplanes were on a mission in Syrian airspace during the US-led coalition’s attack on the Syrian Su-22, while the coalition failed to use the communication line to prevent an incident.

“The command of the coalition forces did not use the existing communication channel between the air commands of Al Udeid Airbase (in Qatar) and the Khmeimim Airbase to prevent incidents in Syrian airspace.”

https://www.rt.com/news/393028-syria-russia-us-plane/

Iran is also stating more missile attacks on the terrorists will follow if further attacks occur.

"Tehran has warned ISIS militants that any future attacks on the country will result in powerful strikes against the group. It comes after Iran launched missile strikes on ISIS in retaliation for twin attacks in Tehran earlier this month.

“If they carry out a specific action to violate our security, definitely there will be more launches, with intensified strength,” Gen. Ramazan Sharif of Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards (IRGC) said on Monday, according to state television, cited by AP.

The IRGC’s press office had a stern warning of its own to those who threaten Iran’s security.

“The IRGC warns the Takfiri terrorists and their regional and trans-regional supporters that they would be engulfed by its revolutionary wrath and flames of the fire of its revenge in case they repeat any such devilish and dirty move in future,” it said, according to Fars News Agency.

Sharif said on Monday, however, that the missiles were not only aimed at sending a message to IS, but also to Riyadh and Washington.

“The Saudis and Americans are especially receivers of this message,” he said. “Obviously and clearly, some reactionary countries of the region, especially Saudi Arabia, had announced that they are trying to bring insecurity into Iran.”

https://www.rt.com/news/393021-iran-warns-isis-strike/

**Klondyke** · 19-06-2017, 09:09 PM

It reminds me of Spanish Civil War, a foreplay to WW2.
"Rebels" led by Generalissimo Francisco Franco, supported by Hitler and his bombers, had overthrown Spanish Government, leaving up to 500,000 dead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War

The bombarding of Basque town of Guernica (a famous picture by Picasso) was lately made in movie Guernica (2016)

After WW2 Franco rule was recognized by US and other Western Governments

**Klondyke** · 19-06-2017, 10:26 PM

Iran intolerable for US as independent force in region
TEHRAN, Jun. 18 (MNA)

Noam Chomsky urged the US to abandon the policy of supporting the Saudi regime and tolerate independent forces in Middle East,.
MIT Professor Emeritus Noam Chomsky told Javad Heirannia of Mehr News International Service that US seeks change in Iran because they cannot tolerate an independent force in the region:

Rex Tillerson, US secretary of state, has recently announced that US backs those groups who try for change in Iran. Who are these groups and why Trump’s government has focused on the expired policy of "change of regime in Iran”?

The policy hasn't expired. The US is unwilling to tolerate an independent force in the region. Furthermore, US leaders cannot forgive Iran for having overthrown the dictator it installed in the 1953 coup.

Regarding the relationship between Iran and its neighbors like Saudi Arabia, which kind of policy has to be adopted by US government on this aspect?

The policy of supporting the Saudi regime should be abandoned, and the US should begin to tolerate independent forces.

Will the newly approved anti-Iran sanctions by Senate be effective to fulfill interests of West and US?

Depends what we think these interests are. If the interests are justice, freedom, peace, then they won't be effective.

Some experts believe that new adopted non-nuclear sanctions by US against Iran means that Washington restores any dismantled nuclear sanctions in new forms. What is your opinion?

The current administration has formulated no clear policies.

http://en.mehrnews.com/news/126001/I...orce-in-region

**tomcat** · 19-06-2017, 10:27 PM

^^How does one remind you of the other?

**Klondyke** · 19-06-2017, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by tomcat

^^How does one remind you of the other?

A legitimate government overthrown by "rebels", supported by a military and air force of a foreign country.
Resulting in hundred thousands of dead civilians, destroyed country.

BTW: On the side of the legitimate government of Spain Republic - against the "rebels" - a large number of international volunteers were fighting, a.o. Ernest Hemingway, Arthur Blair (George Orwell)...

**OhOh** · 20-06-2017, 06:35 PM

It appears the crusader coalition spokesman. Informed the world that the crusader coalition will continue to attack Syrian and it's allies armies, navies and airforces, as if nothing has happened and didn't acknowledge that a state of war now exists in Syria.

However a Col.Dillon informed the world that the crusader coalition have "repositioned" it's aircraft, a new softer, less threatening, code word for exiting the battle space/shitting their pants/running away/abandoning it's proxy terrorists, to safer pastures. Because of the disengagement there is no threat, absolutely, categorically, cross my heart and hope to die, of "direct confrontation".

It's a huge strategic result, losing access to areas of Syria, because of a hot headed local commander. Who believes draughts is a complicated pastime. I'm sure the official leader of the most powerful country in the world will send a 25 character teet at some stage. A destroyer on one side of the world adjacent 3, here today gone tomorrow, carrier battle groups and now a major policy change in the ME.

One wonders what more sane countries leaders make of the comedy.

Still it's nothing new to some.

Pentagon Responds: "US Pilots Will Defend Themselves If Attacked By Russians" | Zero Hedge

"We are aware of the Russian statements," Navy Capt. Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman, said Monday morning quoted by WashEx. "We do not seek conflict with any party in Syria other than ISIS, but we will not hesitate to defend ourselves or our partners if threatened," Davis said, seemingly unaware that shooting down a sovereign nation's plane above its own territory is exactly what "seeking a conflict" looks like. In a follow up statement this afternoon, White House spokesman Sean Spicer said the US will "retain the right of self-defense in Syria."

Separately, Col. Ryan Dillon, chief U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad said "coalition aircraft continue to conduct operations throughout Syria, targeting ISIS forces and providing air support for coalition partner forces on the ground."
Unlike Davis, Dillon appeared to indicate the U.S. will avoid the parts of Syria where Russia said U.S. planes would be tracked as potential targets or providing additional airpower to counter threats.

"As a result of recent encounters involving pro-Syrian regime and Russian forces, we have taken prudent measures to reposition aircraft over Syria so as to continue targeting ISIS forces while ensuring the safety of our aircrews given known threats in the battlespace," Dillon said. He added that coalition aircraft will continue operations against Islamic State targets “while ensuring the safety of our aircrew given known threats in the battlespace,” he said.

"I'm sure that because of this neither the U.S. nor anyone else will take any actions to threaten our aircraft," he said, according to state-owned RIA Novosti news agency. "That's why there's no threat of direct confrontation between Russia and American aircraft"

**tomcat** · 20-06-2017, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Zero Hedge

from Wiki: Zero Hedge is an English-language financial blog that aggregates news and presents editorial opinions from original and outside sources. The news portion of the site is written by a group of editors who collectively write under the pseudonym "Tyler Durden" (a character from the novel and film Fight Club).

Zero Hedge's content has been classified as conspiratorial, anti-establishment, and economically pessimistic, and has been criticized for presenting extreme and sometimes pro-Russian views.

**OhOh** · 20-06-2017, 09:15 PM

^Surely it's not the Russians again.

When copying verbatim from a source it is polite to put quotation marks and possibly a link. That way it is obvious that you are in fact offering no comment, just copying a chunk of somebody else's opinion, not you own.

You would suggest other sites with a better ability to aggregate and post news reports? Please do inform me.

But of course you fail to reply to your own ignorant post regarding the Syrian elected government and focus on a news outlets pedigree. But hey, maybe you forgot what you posted.

Why am I not amazed by your lack or ability to bolster your earlier inaccurate, factually, post.

If you don't want to be called out on your own idiotic posts, don't post garbage.

If of course you have any facts or opinion regarding the Syrian election procedures or or Russian interference in the last Syrian election results, I am all ears.

**DrB0b** · 20-06-2017, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

I am all ears

I can believe that, there's certainly no brain in evidence.

**tomcat** · 20-06-2017, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

I am all ears

agree, particularly for:

Originally Posted by tomcat

pro-Russian views

Originally Posted by OhOh

When copying verbatim from a source

your source is a propaganda outlet and you're a fraud...please:

Originally Posted by OhOh

don't post garbage

**OhOh** · 23-06-2017, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by OhOh don't post garbage

I presume you have read the Syrian election rules and have found some fault with them. Care to share?

**tomcat** · 23-06-2017, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

I presume you have read the Syrian election rules

of course...

rule #1: Bashar Al-Assad and cronies win each and every electoral contest with 99.9% of the vote in perpetuity;
rule#2: In the event of discrepancies, see rule #1.

**cyrille** · 23-06-2017, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Why am I not amazed by your lack or ability to bolster your earlier inaccurate, factually, post.

If of course you have any facts or opinion regarding the Syrian election procedures or or Russian interference in the last Syrian election results, I am all ears.

Finally, an explanation of your posting style.

**tomcat** · 23-06-2017, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Meanwhile RT News is reporting

Originally Posted by OhOh

https://www.rt.com/news/393028-syria-russia-us-plane/

Originally Posted by OhOh

according to Fars News Agency.

Originally Posted by OhOh

https://www.rt.com/news/393021-iran-warns-isis-strike/

Originally Posted by OhOh

Gen. Ramazan Sharif of Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards (IRGC) said on Monday, according to state television

good sense of humor...

**Latindancer** · 24-06-2017, 04:01 PM

You know, it still escapes me how young guys get radicalized. Exactly how does this occur ? Particularly with the ones who grow up in Western countries....

**Takeovers** · 24-06-2017, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Latindancer

You know, it still escapes me how young guys get radicalized. Exactly how does this occur ? Particularly with the ones who grow up in Western countries....

To some extent a natural thing to happen. The next generation seeks an identity. They grow up in a society that is different to their own background. While their parents enjoyed getting away from rigidity they see their identity threatened. Plus a natural tendency of young people to be more radical going out of hand.

Young women wearing a head cover on their own will when their mothers often were glad to escape that pressure is a simple, not harmful but very visible sign.

**wasabi** · 25-06-2017, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Latindancer

You know, it still escapes me how young guys get radicalized. Exactly how does this occur ? Particularly with the ones who grow up in Western countries....

Apparently it happens when they watch videos on the web, so we are told.

**tomcat** · 25-06-2017, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Latindancer

You know, it still escapes me how young guys get radicalized. Exactly how does this occur ? Particularly with the ones who grow up in Western countries....

growing up as a member of a despised minority might eventually lead the weak-minded to violence as a sort of revenge...little do they understand that parades and kumbaya sing-alongs are far more effective as vengeance...

**OhOh** · 25-06-2017, 10:10 AM

It appears that Israel is still trying to eliminate somebody. Not ISIS and all it's other labels, but the Syrian Army.

They attacked Syria, the Israelis allege hitting some Syrian tanks. The Syrians allege the target hit was a parking lot and civilians were killed. No white helmet videos yet.

"The Israeli Defense Force has attacked two Syrian army tanks after a dozen spillover projectiles landed in the Israel-controlled part of the Golan Heights from Syrian territory. The Israeli military said several projectiles fired from Syria “hit an open area” in the northern Golan Heights. No injuries were reported.
Calling the incident an “unacceptable violation of Israeli sovereignty,” IDF aircraft targeted the “origin of launches and two Syrian tanks”."

"Syrian government forces said the Israeli warplanes, in fact, targeted a parking lot and a residential building in the suburbs of al-Baath city in the Quneitra Governorate. They added that the Israeli airstrike resulted in civilian casualties and material damage, as reported by the SANA news agency."

Possibly two incidents or the same one.

One does however wonder how Israel's illegal occupation of Syrian sovereign territory , "Israel-controlled part of the Golan Heights", changes into, an “unacceptable violation of Israeli sovereignty"

The UN, presumably with world consensus, has established the countries boundaries, but possibly Israel has taken up the banner of being an unexceptional country led by mad jews, from the previous dead empire ameristan led by an incompetent bankrupt and some say the mad jews.

**OhOh** · 25-06-2017, 10:22 AM

Russia has used some ships and submarins to fire missiles at ISIS targets. Each was allowed two shots, the most accurate get vessel gets a 2 day shore leave allegedly.

It also is alleged that a S300 missile was fired at a target in the med sea from the Russian airbase in Syria. It, allegedly, took down a ameristani very expensive drone.

"Reports are now coming in that a United States Air Force EQ-4 "Global Hawk" drone was shot down over the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Syria, by a Russian S-300 surface-to-air missile fired from the Russian Base at Tartus, Syria."

Caught On Video: Russian Ships, Sub Fire Cruise Missiles At ISIS Targets In Syria | Zero Hedge

U.S. EQ-4 GLOBAL HAWK DRONE SHOT DOWN BY RUSSIAN S-300 OVER MEDITERRANEAN SEA NEAR SYRIA

Never heard of the second site so it may be fake.

**tomcat** · 25-06-2017, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

SANA news agency.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Caught On Video: Russian Ships, Sub Fire Cruise Missiles At ISIS Targets In Syria | Zero Hedge

halturnershow.com

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**OhOh** · 25-06-2017, 11:43 AM

SANA is the accepted official Syrian government site, I believe all counties have similar outlets, The White House, Department of Defence, the Pentagon .........., BBC, MOD, Kremlin and of course these days a twatter account. Accepting any as facts is your decision, you choose. You can generally tell fake ones because they print crap, unattributed sources etc.

Some do name officials by name and position and as such have a higher rating in my opinion. Taking some unofficial agencies opinion as to whether they are fake is a lazy mans way. How do you select your own opinion reinforcing sources?

I did highlight the halt turner site. But maybe you missed it, here it is again just for you.

Originally Posted by OhOh

U.S. EQ-4 GLOBAL HAWK DRONE SHOT DOWN BY RUSSIAN S-300 OVER MEDITERRANEAN SEA NEAR SYRIA Never heard of the second site so it may be fake.

It's the highlighted, bold yellow text, happy now.

**tomcat** · 25-06-2017, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

happy now

kneeslappingly funny...are you here all week?

Originally Posted by OhOh

SANA is the accepted official Syrian government site

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**Neverna** · 25-06-2017, 01:54 PM

Golan Heights .... Israeli sovereignty

**Takeovers** · 25-06-2017, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by tomcat

growing up as a member of a despised minority

You are confusing cause and effect here.

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