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Old 03-02-2015, 01:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

Have we got one of these threads already, well if not.. here we go

Shootings in America are so common that they barely make the news anymore, but we all love a story about how Americans and their passion for guns is such an inevitable combination for carnage and downright stupidity. It makes us feel better about our own lives, as dysfunctional as your life may be, you probably won't get shot anytime soon.

How about this one.. A black guy calls the cops to his own house, and the cops shoot his dog, of course, then shoot him and arrest him before he dies. But the black guy wasn't a ghetto retard, so Newscorp couldn't dig the dirt on him for the daily hate... just not news worthy. Sorry black dude, you didn't fit the profile.

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Kevin Davis and his girlfriend, April Edwards, lived on the outskirts of Decatur, GA, a predominantlyblack community just outside Atlanta. Davis, 44, was a longtime employee at Sawicki’s, a sandwich shop located in the more affluent downtown area of Decatur, where Edwards also worked. By all accounts, he was kind-hearted, generous, never late, and a visible contributor to his relatively small community of family, friends and colleagues. It was this very kindness which prompted him to invite Terrance Hilyard, 47, a co-worker in a rough spell, to stay with him and Edwards at their one-bedroom apartment.


Kevin Davis (right) with family.

On Dec. 29, 2014, Hilyard and April Edwards got into an altercation, which quickly escalated. Hilyard stabbed Edwards with a kitchen knife and fled the scene. Davis promptly called 911 for help. DeKalb County Police were dispatched, and Officer Joseph Pitts was first to arrive on scene. Per three witness accounts, Officer Pitts did not announce his arrival or identify himself.

He entered the home to find the couple’s three-legged dog, Tooter, whom he shot and killed. Upon hearing shots, Davis became alarmed that his girlfriend’s assailant might have returned with a gun. He retrieved his own gun, proceeded to the front room of his home and was shot twice by Officer Pitts.

Both Edwards and neighbors on the scene claim they did not hear Officer Pitts order Davis to put down his weapon before hearing gunshots. Police have stated that Davis was told to drop his firearm, and refused to do so. After the shooting, Edwards came out, saying, “What have you done? Why did you shoot him?”

A second officer arrived on the scene. Davis, prone, said he was unable to feel his legs. He was arrested, charged with aggravated assault of a police officer, and transferred to Grady Hospital in downtown Atlanta in police custody.

The family has said they were repeatedly blocked from seeing Davis until they were notified, without condolences, that he had “expired.”
Well of course cops are under pressure and shit happens right.. especially when confronted by a three legged dog, you got to take affirmative action. I mean what to do when feeling threatened, like this 17 year old psycho bitch going into a police brandishing a weapon, she's literally begging to be gunned down by multiple law enforcement officers right..?

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On Friday, January 23, 17-year-old student Kristiana Coignard walked into her local police department, picked up a telephone, and asked to speak to an officer. Sometime after that she pulled "a weapon" and was shot and killed by three police officers.

For three days, that's pretty much all the police have said. Refusing to say what type of weapon she brandished, the inference was that it was so lethal a weapon that it must've been a gun or a stick of dynamite or hand grenade, but Longview Mayor Jay Dean just revealed that it wasn't a gun at all, but a knife.

In an article on Think Progress, it was revealed that Kristiana was struggling mightily with mental illness.
Coignard was living in Longview with her Aunt, Heather Robertson. In an interview with ThinkProgress, Robertson raised questions about the circumstances of Coignard’s death. “I think it was a cry for help. I think they could have done something. They are grown men. I think there is something they are not telling us.”Robertson said that her niece had been struggling with mental illness, including depression and bipolar disorder, since her mother died when she was four. She had been hospitalized twice in recent years after suicide attempts. One time, she tried to hang herself. Another time, she drank toilet bowl cleaner. Since arriving in Longview in December, Coignard had been taking medication and regularly seeing a therapist. She had no criminal record and “was only violent with herself, ” Robertson said.
It's hard to believe, no matter what the circumstance, that the only option available to the Longview police department was to shoot Kristiana over and over again.
She was mentally ill and she had a knife, she could have harmed herself... it was a tough call, but it's the police's job to serve and protect. And just what are they putting in baby formula these days?, first we had a kiddie pulling the trigger on a gun and killing his mum in Walmart cos she would buy him more sweeties and now we have another pulling a pistol and shooting his mum and dad, quicker than you can say parmesan stuffed crust, cos he wanted Domino's and they were gonna order Papa John's.

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A 3-year-old boy reaching for an iPad in his mother’s purse ended up pulling out a handgun, and shot both his father and pregnant mother at an Albuquerque motel on Saturday

A single bullet hit the boy’s father, Justin Reynolds, in the buttocks, then exited through his hip and hit the boy’s mother, Monique Villescas, in the right shoulder. Villescas’ 2-year-old daughter was sitting next to her at the time of the shooting but was unharmed.

The Albuquerque Police Department believes the shooting was an accident but are reportedly waiting to interview the boy and the 2-year-old girl before determining if anyone needs to be charged.

Reynolds and Villescas were getting ready to order pizza before being shot.
You'd wanna be a fly on the wall in that interview room huh..?

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In the 3 1/2 minutes the donut muncher was trying to subdue the tiny teen he never thought of cuffing her then? Then three brave cops shoot her (you can see the path of the bullet exiting her dragging the shattered pieces of her vital organs with it by the way.

Donut Muncher 1 is 100% responsible for her death.
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Shootings rarely make national news. They are still a big deal locally. To get an idea of who got shot and why, you need to keep up with the local newspapers crime page.

Two newspapers reporting shootings daily are:

The Atlanta Journal Atlanta Crime, Courts and Personal Security | Main Page AJC | www.ajc.com

and the Baltimore Sun Baltimore Crime Beat | Police and court news from the Baltimore, the suburbs and beyond - Baltimore Sun

Just the tip of the iceberg.
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What is the fascination with shootings in America? Does everyone not have anything better to debate or is it that so many enjoy bashing the US?

To fully understand firearm ownership in America, one needs to be born in that country and grow up in that environment before understanding the meaning of right to own a firearm. How many here are American nationals that have lived in places like Los Angeles, Chicago or even Washinton DC. Until you have met these essential requirements, talking about shootings in America is like having a layperson discussing brain surgery.

If you are American and have lived in an environment of US gun control, then I would think your opinion is worth listening to. If you are from another country and know fuck all about being a US citizen, then you need to stick to topics you may actually have some knowledge of.

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What is the fascination with shootings in America? Does everyone not have anything better to debate or is it that so many enjoy bashing the US?

To fully understand firearm ownership in America, one needs to be born in that country and grow up in that environment before understanding the meaning of right to own a firearm. How many here are American nationals that have lived in places like Los Angeles, Chicago or even Washinton DC. Until you have met these essential requirements, talking about shootings in America is like having a layperson discuss brain surgery.

If you are American and have lived in an environment of US gun control, then I would think your opinion is worth listening to. If you are from another country and know fuck all about being a US citizen, then you need to stick to topics you may actually have some knowledge of.
Nothing wrong with a little critique where it rightfully belongs....

It it's bashing, so be it.

Suspicions should be high towards those whom plead apologetic with little or no defences.
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Understood, but the anti-American sentiment does get a little old after reading so much of it. If everyone enjoys doing this, maybe we should pick others homelands to discuss like England, Scotland, Wales, Canada or even Australia.

There does seem to be a pecking order here since so many are from the UK. Why dont we discuss why any country would have a queen in todays world when she is basically ineffective and spending a fair amount of the tax payers money?

True, I am not a citizen of the UK and may not possess the knowledge to understand monarchy, but then again how many out there truely understand gun ownership in the US?

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Understood, but the anti-American sentiment does get a little old after reading so much of it. If everyone enjoys doing this, maybe we should pick others homelands to discuss like England, Scotland, Wales, Canada or even Australia.

There does seem to be a pecking order here since so many are from the UK. Why dont we discuss why any country would have a queen in todays world when she is basically inefective and spending a fair amount of the tax payers money?

True, I am not a citizen of the UK and may not possess the knowledge to understand monarchy, but then again how many out there truely understand gun ownership in the US?
There is already a natural picking order throughout this forum.
And it's not European/Western.
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I would be interested in hearing more about that unless you are only referring to the mods.
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Why dont we discuss why any country would have a queen in todays world when she is basically ineffective and spending a fair amount of the tax payers money?
You start a thread about the Queen and we'll come and join in... probably
this thread is about 'Americans Getting Shot'
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Yes, again a thread that most know very little about.
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What is the fascination with shootings in America? Does everyone not have anything better to debate or is it that so many enjoy bashing the US?

To fully understand firearm ownership in America, one needs to be born in that country and grow up in that environment before understanding the meaning of right to own a firearm. How many here are American nationals that have lived in places like Los Angeles, Chicago or even Washinton DC. Until you have met these essential requirements, talking about shootings in America is like having a layperson discussing brain surgery.

If you are American and have lived in an environment of US gun control, then I would think your opinion is worth listening to. If you are from another country and know fuck all about being a US citizen, then you need to stick to topics you may actually have some knowledge of.
I'm with you Rick. Oh, & I was an FFL holder for 6 years. I know a bit of what I speak. Don't let the paddywhackery Limeys get ya down.
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No problem bearbait. It is too bad those in the UK have allowed the governments tactic to work of programing all citizens to be anti-gun.
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Don't shoot the messenger Rick, but in the UK we don't need three police officers with guns to shoot dead a 17 year old girl with a knife, in fact we can arrest actual dangerous criminals without using guns and without killing anyone.
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I don't want gun controls in America. I want them to carry on shooting and killing themselves as slowly it's raising the Worlds IQ. In fact let's give them bigger more powerful weapons and let's speed up the process ;-)
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No problem bearbait. It is too bad those in the UK have allowed the governments tactic to work of programing all citizens to be anti-gun.

It could be said Rick, that having been raised in an extreme gun culture Americans, much like those indoctrinated into religions from an early age, are incapable of discussing the issue objectively.
"You aren't American, you can never understand" sounds suspiciously like "Unless you accept Jesus, you will not understand".
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Don't shoot the messenger Rick, but in the UK we don't need three police officers with guns to shoot dead a 17 year old girl with a knife, in fact we can arrest actual dangerous criminals without using guns and without killing anyone.
Yes but the British cops aren't cowardly chickenshits.
That should be the next thread.
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Arrow we have a problem in america (an opinion)

We have many problems in America.
Medical coverage for all Americans, a disproportinate distribution of wealth , gun control , PTSD, affordable universities, welfare reform, sensible drug policies, political lobbying , police professionalism and racial inequality.

Race is one place a layman can start because in America we haven't fully addressed the race card.
The UK is white 87% , 7% asian and 3% black (mostly carib).
America is white 63%, 13% black, 17% hispanic and 7% asian or other.

Out of 320 million citizens (reported - not including unreported aliens residing in America) more than 118 million American citizens are not white...more than the entire population of England.

It has been less than 50 years since America was desegregated by Federal Court actions...less than fifty years to address all the previous 200 plus years of slavery (sharecropping), social segregation, an undercurrent of hate and prejudice.

I won't hold self-righteous England responsible for America's problem when it comes to race though ones history could readily make the case in colonial America and would remind us of England's fair hand in the slavery trade providing low-cost cotton labourers to provide raw commodities for its own Industrial Revolution mills (1760 - 1840).

It's my opinion that until America comes to real terms with its own racial identity instead of upholding the disguise of bringing democratic equality to the international community of fairly monogamous racial nations we can expect the gunfire to continue in communities throughout America.

Now the facts in America (annually) :
- 2.83 people per 100,000 are killed by guns ruled as homicide.
- 6.3 / 100,000 kill themselves by suicide utilizing a gun. (More than double those killed by homicide !)
- .30 / 100,000 are ruled unintentional death by gun.

> 11.6 people per 100,000 die by road fatalities annually.

Agreed, America does have a gun control problem...one of many problems. (An opinion - mine.)
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Yes we know. The British are the toughest, smartest master race on the planet.



Or not...
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How many here are American nationals that have lived in places like Los Angeles, Chicago or even Washinton DC.
I am.

And I think American gun laws are beyond stupid.

To allow virtually any American adult without a felony conviction to walk the streets, prowl Walmart, or go grocery shopping while carrying a loaded, concealed handgun - which almost all will barely know how to use - is the height of idiocy.

I can't think of any other country in the world - or at least in what we claim to be the first/civilized world - that allows Bubba the Braindead the right to stick a .44 Magnum in his pants when he goes down to the local diner for his morning coffee.

It's simply a retarded set of laws.
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As you can see from my nic I grew up in Australia, From my early teens I always had access to a firearm and used to go out with my mates and go hunting , rabbits , foxes etc, in my late teens I got a job on a station (ranch to all you from the USofA) ,only a small one 3200 square miles.
At weekends my mate and I used to go out shooting roos, we only used a .22 semi auto rifle as we were both reasonable shots and could drop a roo from 50 metres with one shot 95% of the time, we used to take our carcases to a chiller on the property that a professional shooter had.
To cut a long story shorter, when having possession of a gun became almost impossible and roo shooting the same I began using a compound bow, by this time I had left the station and used to hunt pigs with the bow (not very successfully) but I still had a very illegal semi auto 12 guage shotgun with shortened barrel and pistol grip, which used to almost break both wrists when fired but was very effective against a wounded and charging pig.
After that background info, do I miss not having access to guns? No
Am I pleased my 3 boys don't have access to guns? Yes.
I was quite happy being able to go to a supermarket in Aus without having to worry about some 3 yo pulling a gun out of his mothers purse and firing a shot god knows where, there is a reason I have never been to America -- Guess what it is?
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To allow virtually any American adult without a felony conviction to walk the streets, prowl Walmart, or go grocery shopping while carrying a loaded, concealed handgun
It is not those people that are responsible for most of the gun deaths in America. With the exception of maybe sticking the barrel in their own mouths and pulling the trigger.

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there is a reason I have never been to America -- Guess what it is?
If the reason is guns then you have become a victim of media sensationalism. I think that many of you who are not American fail to realize how big the country is. Most of America is very safe and the overwhelming majority of residents will never encounter gun violence in their lives.

I sure haven't and don't think anyone I know has either.
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Just for the sake of balance, I might add that I have no objection to the legal ownership of guns - to be kept in the residence and used on a range or for hunting.

I don't hunt, but have no objections as long as it is done legally, and you are hunting for food, not trophies.

I grew up on a 100-acre tree farm in rural New Hampshire. There were always guns around. Rifles, shotguns, handguns. I learned to shoot, and firearm safety, at a very early age. I remember my grandfather yelling at me from his bathroom to bring him his rifle, and be quick about it. He dropped a 400 lb. bear that was smashing up his bee hives - one shot from the bathroom window.

It's the open or concealed carry part of it with which I have major issues. There is simply NO reason for the average citizen to feel the need for a concealed handgun. NONE.
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Just for the sake of balance, I might add that I have no objection to the legal ownership of guns - to be kept in the residence and used on a range or for hunting.

I don't hunt, but have no objections as long as it is done legally, and you are hunting for food, not trophies.

I grew up on a 100-acre tree farm in rural New Hampshire. There were always guns around. Rifles, shotguns, handguns. I learned to shoot, and firearm safety, at a very early age. I remember my grandfather yelling at me from his bathroom to bring him his rifle, and be quick about it. He dropped a 400 lb. bear that was smashing up his bee hives - one shot from the bathroom window.


Her's a rare pic of Granpa Knowlton as he went out to check the bear was done for...

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It's the open or concealed carry part of it with which I have major issues. There is simply NO reason for the average citizen to feel the need for a concealed handgun.
Point taken and I hate open carry freaks they just make responsible gun owners look bad. That said lawful gun owners who chose to carry are responsible for almost none of the gun violence that happens in America.

I myself own firearms but choose not to carry as I do not see the need. America is frankly not very dangerous however I do support the rights of others to do so.
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