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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Usually the people fed up getting fucking shot or losing their children.

    Just another opportunistic leftist gun grabber feeding frenzy which follows every tragic school shooting, they don't care about kids they just wanna ban guns.



    Oh the NRA does not divert its attention. Those "school safety" programs are all about trying to get new converts.



    Another case where the government perpetuates the problem by taking gun lobby money and ignoring the will of the people.

    Next?
    Government, local law enforcement, the school itself, the FBI all turned a blind eye to the Lakeland FL shooter. There were many warnings about this guy which were ignored. The NRA didn't set this up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    The NRA didn't set this up.
    ...of course it did: it has successfully fought against gun regulation of all kinds, even the mildest most innocuous background checks. Its members and sympathizers are complicit in a number of activities such as unregulated gun shows and private sales of war weapons. You might suggest that NRA thugs and thugettes, sullen and pouty, are merely dupes for gun manufacturers and their lobbyists...I would suspect you are right...
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    ^ What you're failing to acknowledge is the systematic leftist lowering of education standards, the government infringement of personal liberties and the wanton corporate co-opting of the politicians.

    Personally I think the NRA also failed by not sticking to their guns on being firearms safety educators. The NRA was largely forced into the taking big money from corporations to defend against gun grabbing politics.

    Another huge part of the problem; legislators enacting socially harming laws which require militarized law enforcement and an industrialized prison system to house mostly non-violent criminals on drug offences which shouldn't exist in the first place.
    The social harm done by government is frankly impossible to calculate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    What you're failing to acknowledge is the systematic leftist lowering of education standards
    ...you know who Betsy DeVos is right?...
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    The NRA was largely forced into the taking big money from corporations to defend against gun grabbing politics.
    ...poor orphan NRA had no choice but to pocket the money that was supplied by gun makers and hire lobbyists...to protect themselves...you've beclowned yourself with this one, Earl...
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    Another huge part of the problem; legislators enacting socially harming laws which require militarized law enforcement and an industrialized prison system to house mostly non-violent criminals on drug offences which shouldn't exist in the first place.
    ...yet another red herring from your bottomless basket...
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    The social harm done by government is frankly impossible to calculate.
    ...I can certainly calculate my Social Security payout every month...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...I can certainly calculate my Social Security payout every month...
    What you likely don't calculate is the theft which takes place every-time the Fed prints another trillion or two of their phony currency.

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    ...^I know, I know: bitcoin uber alles...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    Government, local law enforcement, the school itself, the FBI all turned a blind eye to the Lakeland FL shooter. There were many warnings about this guy which were ignored. The NRA didn't set this up.
    The fact is that a troubled teenager was able to go into a gun store and legally purchase a weapon of mass murder and ammunition.

    Yes the fucking NRA did set that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Yes the fucking NRA did set that up.
    Yep, same manner big pharma set up the opioid epidemic.
    Last edited by uncle junior; 17-03-2018 at 04:43 PM.

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    David Hogg On The NRA: https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/sta...63267984850944


    Bringing awareness to the problem (and in time, action)…….

    MARCH FOR OUR LIVES. https://marchforourlives.com/

    On March 24, the kids and families of March For Our Lives will take to the streets of Washington DC to demand that their lives and safety become a priority and that we end gun violence and mass shootings in our schools today.

    I’ll be in DC for a couple other reasons but will be attending the march with a few other people. I’ll try to post some pictures of the event.

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    ^ maybe they should march on the FBI for neglecting their duty to protect the public.

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    They don’t watch and take their cues from Fox News.

    That’s for angry old white dudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    ^ the spike in violence occurred right after the gun ban. Ya don't have to be a genius to sort that one out...

    Leftists can blither, blabber, quibble and dither all they wish and cannot changes those facts, as much as they'd love to.
    Poor old Earl is under the impression that before the gun ban Australians were walking about armed to the teeth protecting themselves from violent crime when in fact it was nothing like that.
    Guns, longguns and shotguns were kept locked up at home.
    The timing of any spike in violent crime was purely coincidental. No one had pistols except the bad guys who weren't about to hand them in anyway.
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    Even NPR is downplaying the media hysteria.

    On March 15, NPR noted the heinous nature of Florida’s Parkland school shooting but quickly added that claims school shootings are at epidemic levels are false.

    NPR’s observation is drawn from the work of Northeastern University’s James Alan Fox, who demonstrates that there were more “multiple victim” school shootings during the 1990’s than now.
    According to NPR, Fox shows that “in the 1992-93 school year, about 0.55 students per million were shot and killed; in 2014-15, that rate was closer to 0.15 per million.”
    He demonstrates that the U.S. suffers, on average, one multiple victim shooting per school year. And Fox points out that that means an average of one a year in a nation of over 100,000 schools.
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    So why do so many Americans believe we have an epidemic of school shootings? Fox believes the answer to that lies in a perception derived from media coverage and other outlets.
    He said, “The difference is the impression, the perception that people have. Today we have cell phone recordings of gunfire that play over and over and over again. So it’s that the impression is very different. That’s why people think things are a lot worse now, but the statistics say otherwise.”
    Dr. Garen Wintemute, an emergency room physician doing “gun violence” research at University of California, Davis, concurs with Fox. Wintemute said, “Schools are just about the safest place in the world for kids to be. Although each one of them is horrific and rivets the entire nation for a period of time, mass shootings at schools are really very uncommon, and they are not increasing in frequency. What’s changed is how aware we are of them.”
    Madysen Pruss is a counselor at Marysville Pilchuck High School, which suffered a mass shooting on October 24, 2014. Yet Pruss says her response to other shootings around the country is to talk to students about “how it’s publicized through social media. So it makes the threat feel greater than it is.”
    NPR: Parkland Attack Was Horrible but There Is No School Shooting Epidemic | Breitbart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    Breitbart
    ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    I'm assuming it isn't considered an epidemic by trumpanzees because the numbers never fucking change....




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    I'm just gonna go ahead and assume that these people were anti-gun control...

    Woman jailed for killing boyfriend in horror YouTube stunt mishap - NZ Herald

    "Perez told police on a 911 call that Ruiz had asked her to fire a bullet from a .50-caliber Desert Eagle pistol into an encyclopedia as he held it against his body.But the projectile penetrated the volume and fatally wounded the young father [...]

    Their three-year-old daughter, Aaliyah, was present when the shooting occurred..."

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    50 caliber, must be a rhinoceros problem where they live.

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    "Someone's shooting up the school at Stoneman Douglas."
    These were the first panicked words over the phone from a student when a gunman entered his Florida high school on Valentine's Day.
    The 911 responder replied: "I'm sorry, I can't hear you. What's happening?"
    "Someone's shooting up Marjory Stoneman Douglas."
    "Someone is doing what? Hello? Hello? Hello?"
    The student is whispering now: "Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School is being shot up."
    "It's being shot up? Are you at the school?"
    The caller whispers something.
    "I can't hear you," says the responder. "Are you at the school?"
    There's a pause. Then the caller hangs up.


    That Valentine's Day, the lives of 3,300 Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School pupils in Parkland, Florida, changed forever.
    The shooter killed 17 people. Others are still fighting for their lives in hospital.
    It's become an almost unremarkable event in modern America: This was already the sixth school shooting of 2018 in the US.
    But this time was different. Because instead of just accepting it for part of daily life, this group of 16, 17 and 18-year-olds decided that guns were tearing apart communities and that too many innocent people were dying.
    This is the story of how they started a political movement in just a month.
    They have a clear message: "Never Again".


    The seed of the campaign was planted less than 24 hours after the attack.
    Gathering in a local park with candles, students were embracing their friends, talking to the media or grieving quietly.
    "That's when we all held hands together and said 'This is where there's going to be change. This is where it's going to be different'," Jared, a Marjory Stoneman Douglas student, tells Newsbeat.


    That was a Thursday. By the weekend, the Never Again movement was up and running.
    It was amplified on social media with hashtags including #NeverAgain, #MarchForOurLives, #WhatIf and #IWillMarch.
    But this time, it was much more than an online movement which politicians could ignore.
    Tweeting "thoughts and prayers" wouldn't be enough this time.
    It was a real movement, with real people, in real life.


    Never Again would culminate with a demonstration on Washington DC which the campaign was calling the March For Our Lives.
    Its first major piece of media coverage came on the Saturday with an emotionally charged speech by Emma Gonzalez.
    "[To] companies trying to make caricatures of the teenagers these days, saying that all we are is self-involved and trend-obsessed, and they hush us into submission when our message doesn't reach the ears of the nation: We are prepared to call BS," she cried.
    "They say tougher guns laws do not decrease gun violence," she added. "We call BS."
    That speech seemed to change how the world's media covered this latest shooting - instead of the killer being the main story, it became about the survivors who were fighting on behalf of their dead friends and teachers.


    Six days after the shooting, 100 students were on a bus, on a seven-hour trip to the state capital Tallahassee to meet politicians and representatives of the NRA (National Rifle Association).
    A lot of people who watched the televised meeting may have been surprised by how articulate, outspoken and well informed the students were.
    They held their own against some of the most influential people in America - on both sides of the gun control debate.
    But you only had to hear them speak for a couple of minutes to realise that anyone underestimating these teens would be caught off guard.


    ust a week after the shooting, and with the help of celebrities' money, momentum had built.
    Had this just been a hashtag, the chances are it would have died down by now.
    Instead, the group of Florida teens taking on politicians and lobby groups had inspired young people around the country to start their own protests.
    Schools nationwide were staging walkouts - many of them leaving class for 17 minutes to symbolise the 17 lives lost in Parkland.
    They too were saying that enough is enough.


    The teenagers of Marjory Stoneman Douglas were putting more and more pressure on politicians to make a change.
    They were clear that they didn't want to ban guns. They just wanted more stringent checks on who was allowed to buy them.
    The NRA, an organisation with five million members in the US, is against stricter gun laws.
    One of its slogans is "from my cold dead hands" - referring to the only way people will be able to take their guns away.
    But under the pressure of the Douglas students, the organisation found itself at the centre of a boycott.
    Car rental companies, airlines and insurance companies stopped offering discounts to NRA members.
    The changes kept on coming.
    Two major US retailers announced new restrictions on gun sales.
    Dick's Sporting Goods said it would no longer sell assault-style rifles - and Walmart raised the minimum age for anyone buying guns or ammunition to 21 years.


    As the movement grew, its opponents became more enthusiastic in their opposition. Much of it came online.
    The main figureheads of Never Again were accused of being "crisis actors", put up by the anti-gun lobby to try to ban guns.
    They were told that it was too soon, and that they were disrespecting their deceased friends and teachers by making this a political movement.
    They were told to leave the serious stuff to the adults.
    Florida State Representative Elizabeth Porter said: "Do we allow the children to tell us that we should pass a law that says 'No homework?'"
    "If you've fallen victim to gun violence, I think you're pretty eligible to talk about it," Amanda, a 16-year-old student at the school, tells Newsbeat.
    "We understand we're just kids, but they can't tell us that what we're advocating is not right just because we're too young.
    "They weren't the ones who heard the gunshots, they weren't the ones who ran, they weren't the ones who hid in closets, who hid behind desks, they weren't the ones who were shot at, and they weren't the ones who witnessed their peers die right in front of them. So they don't have a say."


    The momentum rolled on.
    On 6 March, less than three weeks after the shooting, Florida senators voted to raise the age to buy a firearm from 18 to 21 and require a three-day waiting period for most weapons.
    Three days later it was signed off by the governor of Florida.
    If you were in doubt that this was as a direct result of political action by the students in the Never Again movement, the bill is called the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act.


    Just over a month on from the attack on their high school, and the students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas are trying to get back to normal.
    "Inside the red gates of Douglas, we're all normal kids. We're just students, we're not famous," student Nikki tells Newsbeat.
    "We see that things are different, but it's a good kind of different."


    On Saturday 24 March, the Never Again students will be outside the home of the man they most need to convince - President Trump.
    In the last month, he's flip-flopped from one stance to the other.
    He's definitely pro-gun - something the Florida students would say is due to the $31m (£22m) the NRA spent on supporting Trump and attacking Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election.
    In the aftermath of the attack, he met some of the survivors of the attack.
    He's suggested arming teachers, said he would have run into the school without a gun to protect students - but he also suggested stronger gun reform.
    He also went back on an earlier suggestion he would raise the national age to buy a gun.
    President Trump also met video games company representatives to discuss violent content.
    He'd previously said that violent games were "shaping young people's thoughts".
    The games industry defended itself, saying there is no evidence to suggest a link between violent games and real-life violent actions.


    It's not been plain sailing for the students of Never Again - they still need to convince their president to enact stricter gun control.
    Their wish to be the last ever school to be attacked by a gunman has already failed.
    A 17-year-old girl, Courtlin Arrington, was killed by a classmate at Huffman High School in Birmingham, Alabama, exactly three weeks after the Parkland shooting.
    The Florida gun control act which bears their school's name also includes something many of them are against - a provision to arm some teachers in schools.


    And while momentum is still with them now, many key members will be going off to university this summer, disbanding all over the country.
    That could make it a lot more difficult to keep the movement going in a few months' time.
    But they're realistic about time. After all, this is an issue which previous presidents have tried and failed to tackle in the past.
    "We understand that what we're trying to achieve, we won't get that today, probably not tomorrow or the day after," says Amanda.
    "It's a long process. It would take years, even."
    But - as many students keep reminding their current politicians - many will be old enough to vote in this autumn's mid-term elections.
    "This is just the beginning," Alyssa, a Marjory Stoneman Douglas student, tells Newsbeat.
    "None of us are ready to give up until we see a change.
    "We know change is happening."

    Florida shooting: How teenagers started a political campaign in 30 days - BBC News

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    ^ It should be pretty fucking obvious to anyone and everyone that the USA has a very serious "culture of violence" problem.

    Simply going hysterical "ban firearms" rampages fails to address the problem miserably.

    Owning or carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility. It is this responsibility which aught to be address. Simple minded knee-jerk hysteria don't get it.

    So typical of the unthinking leftist mob; to seek to absolve the individual of his/her responsibility....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    ^ It should be pretty fucking obvious to anyone and everyone that the USA has a very serious "culture of violence" problem.

    Simply going hysterical "ban firearms" rampages fails to address the problem miserably.

    Owning or carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility. It is this responsibility which aught to be address. Simple minded knee-jerk hysteria don't get it.

    So typical of the unthinking leftist mob; to seek to absolve the individual of his/her responsibility....
    In your desperation to write them off, you haven't really even listened to what they're asking for, have you Earl?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    It should be pretty fucking obvious to anyone and everyone that the USA has a very serious "culture of violence" problem.
    Good argument for limiting access to lethal weapons.

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    ^^For all his ‘I’m an independent free-thinker’ bollocks he just parrots right-wing kneejerk dribble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Good argument for limiting access to lethal weapons.
    Indeed, but more laws and more government is not the answer.
    Government typically makes problems worse. The war on drugs is but one example.
    Education and personal responsibility are the only real answers to the problems of firearms.

    With so many firearms already in circulation there's no simple answer but to address the culture of violence which breeds more violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    ^^For all his ‘I’m an independent free-thinker’ bollocks he just parrots right-wing kneejerk dribble.
    That's right; all we need is leftist virtue signalling social justice warriors like you and Harry to take control and tell everyone what to do.
    That's worked out well for all previous socialist/authoritarian regimes.

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    ^^gotta work the problem from both ends, like segregation. Enact laws to force change and grassroots where ppl get fed up with the violence. Seems like the grassroots is starting to take hold.

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