The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[Mr Earl]

Bullshit.

Which is bullshit Anty? The 50% or the robbery is a violent crime?

Clearly your vocabulary and cognitive abilities are regressing with every post you make.

I reckon that's what being an emotive leftist imbecile does to ya.

[Mr Earl]

Well, why did you introduce AUS into the thread then? (post 3053)

Because of the unintended consequences of gun banning which no leftist legislator considers.

You bet no politician talked with the victims of the robberies after the fact, about how government coerced them to give up the right to defend themselves, and left them easy prey to violent crime. It took 5 years for law enforcement to catch up to the problem!

That and the fact it is so much easier to get all emotional and ban firearms, while ignoring serious about the underlying factors which led to the shootings.
Same as what going on right now in the USA.

[AntRobertson]

Which is bullshit Anty? The 50% or the robbery is a violent crime?

Both are bullshit, Earl.

You post bullshit that's factually incorrect; you get called on it; you post even more bullshit.

Rinse & repeat.

Well, why did you introduce AUS into the thread then? (post 3053)

Because he's an idiot.

[Mr Earl]

Both are bullshit, Earl.

Oh dear the hyper overdrive ocd has kicked in.


Cue the last word from freakazoid Anty, who doesn't think robbery is an act of violence. Ya cannot fix stupid.

[AntRobertson]

who doesn't think robbery is an act of violence

Bullshit.

Keep ranting Fake News, Earl.

[harrybarracuda]

You forget the massive crime wave that hit AUS after gullible Australians were coerced into handing their legally owned firearms...It was not pretty!

You misread the graph. Violent crime was on the rise prior to the gun ban and is now substantially lower. There was a spike in 2001, but that was four years after the legislation.

Ultimately gun deaths and violent crime are significantly lower since 1997.

So taking that spike out of context, you've basically got nothing. I'm guessing you pulled this "talking point" off some dumb shit pro-NRA website, either that or you're just fucking dumb yourself.

For Australia, the NFA seems to have been incredibly successful in terms of lives saved. While 13 gun massacres (the killing of 4 or more people at one time) occurred in Australia in the 18 years before the NFA, resulting in more than one hundred deaths, in the 14 following years (and up to the present), there were no gun massacres.
The NFA also seems to have reduced firearm homicide outside of mass shootings, as well as firearm suicide. In the seven years before the NFA (1989-1995), the average annual firearm suicide death rate per 100,000 was 2.6 (with a yearly range of 2.2 to 2.9); in the seven years after the buyback was fully implemented (1998-2004), the average annual firearm suicide rate was 1.1 (yearly range 0.8 to 1.4). In the seven years before the NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate per 100,000 was .43 (range .27 to .60) while for the seven years post NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate was .25 (range .16 to .33)
Additional evidence strongly suggests that the buyback causally reduced firearm deaths. First, the drop in firearm deaths was largest among the type of firearms most affected by the buyback. Second, firearm deaths in states with higher buyback rates per capita fell proportionately more than in states with lower buyback rates.

[Mr Earl]

There was a spike in 2001, but that was four years after the legislation.

And somehow you think this unrelated to disarming the citizenry!!

Seems directly related.

Also Harry you ignore the fact that in the USA most deaths by firearms are suicides, and inner city ghetto which have different causal stimuli. Remove those from the equation and you have a very low murder by firearm rate.

The inner city chaos is a direct result of the war on drugs and CIA cocaine/heroin trafficking. The war in Afghanistan is about opium/heroin and the CIA.

Only a true simpleton thinks the solution to all the problems is banning firearms.

[AntRobertson]

Correlation isn’t causation and you don’t even have correlation in this case.

You’d just rather double-down on your dumb than admit you’re wrong. That makes you a liar and stupid.

[uncle junior]

o Harry you ignore the fact that in the USA most deaths by firearms are suicides, and inner city ghetto which have different causal stimuli. Remove those from the equation and you have a very low murder by firearm rate.

So we'll dismiss any gun violence that have different causal stimuli. Very convenient, those NRA training films are really working

[Mr Earl]

Correlation isn’t causation and you don’t even have correlation in this case.

You’d just rather double-down on your dumb than admit you’re wrong. That makes you a liar and stupid.

I cannot know it all, but the spike in robberies is obvious.
Also obvious is who now controls the narrative. Seeing how there are no firearms advocacy groups in AUS, that poses some obvious questions.

[Mr Earl]

So we'll dismiss any gun violence that have different causal stimuli. Very convenient, those NRA training films are really working

The NRA ceased being a firearms training venue a long time ago, a large part of the problem imho.

[AntRobertson]

You directly attributed a “massive crime wave” to the AU Govt buy-back program.

That is not factually correct and has been pointed out to you multiple times now yet you keep repeating variations on the same factually incorrect position.

It’s not just a case of you not knowing it all it’s a case of you being wrong and intellectually dishonest.

[harrybarracuda]

The NRA ceased being a firearms training venue a long time ago, a large part of the problem imho.

Yes, precisely. Now it's simply a Gun industry marketing tool with no conscience.

[Mr Earl]

^^ the facts speak for themselves; ban firearms violent crime spikes.

But go on Anty McPanties, have the last word you so desperately crave.
Cue some quibble.

[Mr Earl]

Yes, precisely. Now it's simply a Gun industry marketing tool with no conscience.

Some truth to that, but who is indeed responsible for the attacks on gun ownership?
To which the NRA diverts it's attention, rather than education.
Another case where government creates the problem.

[AntRobertson]

^^ the facts speak for themselves; ban firearms violent crime spikes.

That is not a fact.

In the example you yourself cited the opposite is true.

Nothing. He just makes shit up.

And having now made it up he will keep repeating it as a 'Fact!' even though it's easily disproved.

That's how dumb he is

[Cujo]

You forget the massive crime wave that hit AUS after gullible Australians were coerced into handing their legally owned firearms...It was not pretty!

God almighty what a dickhead.
Where do you get this shit.

[harrybarracuda]

God almighty what a dickhead.
Where do you get this shit.

Probably Alex Jones via other Trumpanzees.

[AntRobertson]

Earl’s a classic Trumptard: he thinks his feelz equate to facts and rants about Fake News without even a hint of the irony.

[Cujo]

FFS Americans are fucking nuts.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-with-shotguns

[Mr Earl]

^ the spike in violence occurred right after the gun ban. Ya don't have to be a genius to sort that one out...

Leftists can blither, blabber, quibble and dither all they wish and cannot changes those facts, as much as they'd love to.

[AntRobertson]

Q.E.D.

[Mr Earl]

^ oh dear poor widdle Anty is up late with his OCD tonight. Them facts wont let you sleep.

[AntRobertson]

You’re deluded.

[harrybarracuda]

Some truth to that, but who is indeed responsible for the attacks on gun ownership?

Usually the people fed up getting fucking shot or losing their children.

To which the NRA diverts it's attention, rather than education.

Oh the NRA does not divert its attention. Those "school safety" programs are all about trying to get new converts.

Another case where government creates the problem.

Another case where the government perpetuates the problem by taking gun lobby money and ignoring the will of the people.

Next?