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Old 05-02-2015, 04:02 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I was a licenced gun holder in the UK
I'll add a tad to this.

I know nothing about guns, in fact the 2 or 3 times I've held them I've felt very uncomfortable and put them down. But, me father has some knowledge. In the UK, the police don't have guns. But, me dad, a policeman did. He was in the flying squad, so his job was to catch armed robbers, and due to British laws of the time you pretty much had to catch them in the act of armed robbery. Now, me dad knew very little in comparison with the likes of Davis, who being an army man well involved with guns and wars knows much more, so I'm just talking about society and guns in a British context. Me dad was a police marksman, so he carried a gun on duty. He was well respected and earned some high honours, he also did some international work taking particularly dangerous criminals to other countries (including the US), protected prime ministers, etc, so I listen to his explications with interest because he doesn't talk crap or glorify violence. He was involved in some shootouts in the UK, some quite famous ones, and has told me many times that TV, films, etc are total bollox. He was a good shot, but still explained how in stressful situations just to hit somebody with a shot was very difficult and low percentage, especially with a hand gun. I mean, he says, waiting outside a bank knowing that you were about to shoot somebody, even from a vantage position and only 50 metres or less, you'd probably miss. That's the reality for a trained marksman. So, when folks on the internet claim that guns make the average Joe safer, I struggle to reconcile their words with my father's experiences...
At last somebody admits they know very little about handguns and gives a pretty good perspective of what it is like. I just wish there were more like you BB. If your story is in fact true, you have given a very good representatation of what it is like to have very little, if any, knowledge of handling firearms.

If on the other hand, your story is bollocks, then crawl back into the deep dark hole you came from.
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I have no wish to explain your silly video to you and how it relates to firearm ownership in the US.
The video is from the US.. why don't you try watching it, and then justifying it..

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Oh dear, so many pages to go through and so many comments to make . . . it seems the name 'Rick', when applied to an American invariably makes for an entertaining and xenophobic and jingoistic time . . .

We had a gun in the house growing up in Grosse Pointe, Mich . . .
. . . had a gun in the house later on in Winnetka, Ill . . .

Useless things . . . and open carry?

No-one understands us?

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To fully understand firearm ownership in America, one needs to be born in that country and grow up in that environment before understanding the meaning of right to own a firearm.
. . . which of course, is absolute and complete bullshit . . .

I'll try:

To fully understand good food one needs to have been born in France. No-one else can comment on food.

To fully understand good cars one needs to have been born in Germany. No-one else can comment on cars.

To fully understand bad dental care one needs to have been born in England. No-one else can comment on dental hygiene ( )

To fully understand anything related to engines one needs to have been born in the UK. No-one else can comment on internal combustion enginesthingies.

To fully understand democracy one needs to have been born in Greece . . . blah blah blah blah

Utter blinkered bullshit

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It is too bad those in the UK have allowed the governments tactic to work of programing all citizens to be anti-gun.
How would you know this? Were you born or raised in the UK? You have no right to comment on anything British.
You should self-flagellate for this blatant excursion into areas you have no knowledge of

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It's simply a retarded set of laws.
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Do not forget that Sarah Palin lives in Alaska where firearms are needed for survival.
What utter crap yet again . . . 66% of Alaskans live in cities. 30 bear kills in the last 50 years . . .

Pull the other one, Rick

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Just stating that unless you were there, how can you know
Groan . . .

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Oh yeah Neo, oh yeah. You sound like a scholllyard bully looking for a scuffle. Grow up Neo and get a clue.

I have no wish to explain your silly video to you and how it relates to firearm ownership in the US. You have already admitted to being an outsider and therefore explaining anything you do not understand is a waste of time.
So you behave like a five-year old and when asked to explain to non-Americans an occurrence that is being discussed you refuse to . . . is it because you can't or because you . . . can't?

So, Rick 'Danger' . . . you have a Doppelgänger




Seriously, though, Rick (a sense of dejà vu has suddenly overcome me), you need to pull your head out and stop thinking you're special
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As you say paddy, it's so commonplace people are just used to it, and with that complacency comes a lack of responsibility. From the perspective of an outsider it borders on a national psychosis how tragic events can be dismissed as everyday occurrences without steps being taken to rectify the root cause of the tragedy.

It's not about responsible gun ownership, it's about the overwhelming irresponsible gun ownership and the consequences of a domestic arms race.

The first article is a case in point. A society in fear. A policeman without culpability. A homeowner that is armed.

Consequence = The death of an innocent man.

The American attitude.. that's just the way it is.

Rather than try to fix a culture in decline, the reaction is to selfishly dismiss it as someone else's problem, the result of someone else's irresponsibility.
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As an outsider I have a better perspective than a US citizen as to just how morally corrupt that attitude is.
At least you have admitted you are an outsider and that your perspective is that of one who does not understand the full story like Paddy. Even though Paddy may be against gun ownership, at least he has lived in an environment where having a weapon for protection might be understood.

Neo, please refrain from acting like you know what the issues are in the US and I will not act like I know your homeland issues, and I am sure there are many.
Oh yeah Rick you think you're so smart... then help me understand how the weapon in this situation was used for protection.
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Oh yeah Neo, oh yeah. You sound like a scholllyard bully looking for a scuffle. Grow up Neo and get a clue.

I have no wish to explain your silly video to you and how it relates to firearm ownership in the US. You have already admitted to being an outsider and therefore explaining anything you do not understand is a waste of time.
I'm starting to find all this very tiresome...I like this forum precisely because it's a place where you can get online, crack a few cool ones and shoot the breeze with people who just want to forget about life for a while.

So:
Can't we all just get along???
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It's a great business model when you think about it.

1- Sell guns in huge quantities to violent drug smuggling and dealing gangs, anonymously (unlike for example, buying a car). Most of these guns probably go to Mexico, but whatever. Oppose background checks or ID requirements in the sale of these guns. Why? :-
2- Sell fear, sell guns. You might get robbed, mugged or raped by a black man, or an Illegal Immigrant, so you need a gun for protection, to protect your family from these villains! (yeh the same guns I sold them, but so what?). Ever noticed that the most pro-gun advocates in the US (well, the white ones) are very often full of racial frisson'? Oh, but they're Christian too-
3- In a peculiarly amerkin twist, bring God into the sales spiel- It is your God given right to carry a gun! (I wasn't aware that Jesus packed a piece, or the Bible mentioning anything about this- but no point bringing logic into the equation when you're dealing with fear and greed).
4- In another peculiarly amerkin twist, equate being able to buy guns anonymously, and carry concealed weapons in schools etc, to Freedom! Yep, that's Freedom alright- as free as the Congo. I'm quite sure you can buy and operate an unregistered car easier in the Congo though.
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Looking for victims? You just took the wrong road:



Conoy Township has a message for criminals who might be thinking about preying on its residents: This is not a gun-free zone.

And that’s exactly what visitors will see once all the signs are securely in place along every road leading into the township. …

Stephen Mohr, a Conoy Township supervisor and lifetime member of the National Rifle Association, said the signs cost about $500 for all 16.

Mohr said the feedback so far has been positive.

“You have to realize that to most people in this township God, guns, family and friends are the four most important things,” he said.

For their own safety, Pennsylvania criminals are encouraged to remain in the Democrat zones of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh."

New Conoy Township signs read: This is not a gun free zone - LancasterOnline: Local News

Of course it's a positive message. It makes complete and utter sense.
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Don't know if this has been posted before but worth another look either way. The following vids are funny also. IMO.


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Now here's a guy that definitely needs a gun..



..cos that wanna be tough guy fat sack of shit couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag.

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OkerRocket you are a total idiot. Everyone knows if you are American you have been exposed to all the NRA and good ole boy attitudes when it comes to gun ownership. You would also be exposed to all the anti-gun lobbys who have been trying to take guns away from private citizens for years. Only in the US will you receive all this indoctrination and then you can make up your own mind whether to own a firearm or not. Second ammendment and all that. This same indoctrination can not be found in France, Germany or the UK as you stupidly implied.

Pull your head out of your ass and read between the lines. To be born in America and being raised there gives you many rights that do not exist in other countries. To be blind to this and not understand what it means is unpatriotic or ignorant. In your case it seems to be the latter since you have no real clue as to what I was saying or implying.

I wiĺl use more easily understood english so that you might get a grasp on my main point. Yes, you can discuss any topic under the sun and that is what this forum is about. However to give intelligent and informed comments, one must be knowledgable on the topic otherwise it is useless banter. To be born an American does give one a different perspective on topics involving American everday life. This is the same as anyone from the UK has a more informed perspective on everyday topics and life in the UK. For me, as an American, to have that same perspective is impossible. I can, however, comment on what I have seen or know about the topic but it will never equal the knowledge of a UK citizen. That is my point and something you seem not to understand or comprehend.

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Here ya go, Neo. A speed loader you can make yourself for those rabid right-wing gun nuts!

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Here ya go, Neo. A speed loader you can make yourself for those rabid right-wing gun nuts!

Stupid.
Still got to manually place them all individually in that timber loader.
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OkerRocket you are a total idiot
Thanks, Rick! From one total idiot to you: can you read my nic and copy? Good boy.

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Second ammendment and all that.
. . . and all that. You're quite right to mention this, though, as only Americans can read your constitution

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Pull your head out of your ass and read between the lines.
Or I could keep it in my arse and read yours. Makes sense, thanks again.

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To be born in America and being raised there gives you many rights that do not exist in other countries.
Are you for real or some red, white and blue parody? Dude, you give Americans a bad name.

Here's a right you do have that others don't, being fascinated by Duck Dynasty and being educated by


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To be blind to this and not understand what it means is unpatriotic or ignorant.
Upatriotic . . . So, if people don't agree with you they are unpatriotic and ignorant - you are the great arbiter on this . . . if your IQ has breached double digits then you've excelled.

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In your case it seems to be the latter since you have no real clue as to what I was saying or implying.
Clearly this is the case as I disagree with you

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However to give intelligent and informed comments, one must be informed on the topic otherwise it is useless banter
So, why are you posting at all, Rick?

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To be born an American does give one a different perspective on topics involving American everday life.
I have a neighbour who was born American - army brat - spent seven years out of 50-plus in the US.
I have spent far more than that in the US, both at elementary school level, University and working.

I love your logic - it comes straight out of the likes of Honey Boo Boo and Duck Dynasty, as mentioned above

Anyway, I'll bow out of this discussion . . . it's getting a bit too silly, really
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You gun-grabbers won't let up until firearms are banned completely from the general public - who btw, can & do pass background checks.

A Federal Ban on Standard Capacity Magazines Introduced by Congressional Democrats

It looks like the anti-gun Democrats are back at it in Congress once again. This time they are looking to bring back the federal ban on magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds. Those of you who lived through the first federal “assault weapons ban” know how troublesome this legislation is.

The new bill is sponsored by Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ) in the Senate.

BREAKING: Federal Ban on Standard Capacity Magazines Introduced by Congressional Democrats

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Ocker, I knew your play name but just decided to change it up a bit.

Many Americans dont even know what the second ammendment is and even fewer foreigners know or even care. The reference was only to show that The US Constitution allows US citizens to bear arms, no more, no less.

If you do not know how rights differ from country to country, then you need to go back to elementary school.

So what you are saying is that you knew exactly what I was referring to all along which makes you dumber than I thought.

I agree with your final statement. Too silly to continue this schoolyard debate with you. Please move on to the next topic you know absolutely nothing about and spin it for awhile.
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Many Americans dont even know what the second ammendment is and even fewer foreigners know or even care. The reference was only to show that The US Constitution allows US citizens to bear arms, no more, no less.
Just as a matter of interest is it permitted for citizens to buy RPGs in the states?
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Ocker, I knew your play name but just decided to change it up a bit.

Many Americans dont even know what the second ammendment is and even fewer foreigners know or even care. The reference was only to show that The US Constitution allows US citizens to bear arms, no more, no less.
Just as a matter of interest is it permitted for citizens to buy RPGs in the states?
Once you've passed a background check.
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Many Americans dont even know what the second ammendment is and even fewer foreigners know or even care. The reference was only to show that The US Constitution allows US citizens to bear arms, no more, no less.
Just as a matter of interest is it permitted for citizens to buy RPGs in the states?
Once you've passed a background check.
What about a functional tank?
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Many Americans dont even know what the second ammendment is and even fewer foreigners know or even care. The reference was only to show that The US Constitution allows US citizens to bear arms, no more, no less.
Just as a matter of interest is it permitted for citizens to buy RPGs in the states?
Not sure, but you can own a M-79 grenade launcher.
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Many Americans dont even know what the second ammendment is and even fewer foreigners know or even care. The reference was only to show that The US Constitution allows US citizens to bear arms, no more, no less.
Just as a matter of interest is it permitted for citizens to buy RPGs in the states?
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Seems you can buy them. Why not? BE bloody great to have one of them parked outside your house. No problems with neighbours bitching about the height of your hedge when you have one of them.
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I'll stick with hollow points. They get the job done OK

9mm hollow point bullet fired into a block of ballistic gel..

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Soldier Surprises Wife With Romantic Breakfast, She Surprises Him Back By Shooting Him

A soldier at Fort Bragg in Fayetteville, North Carolina, tried to bring his wife a surprise breakfast in bed Friday morning, but as his reward for the romantic gesture, he found himself in the hospital with a gunshot wound to the chest. Police believe the shooting was simply a mistake, but they continue to investigate the circumstances of the shooting.

Here’s what happened. Earlier Friday morning, 28-year-old Zia Segule left the home he shares with his wife Tiffany in Fayetteville. Tiffany stayed in bed, catching some extra sleep.

But at about 10:15 a.m., Zia Segule unexpectedly came back home. He carried a take-out breakfast to surprise his sleeping wife. At least, he thought she was sleeping.

According to police, the soldier did not attempt to sneak into the house. He simply entered through the front door as he normally would. But in the interim between his departure and return, 27-year-old Tiffany had apparently activated the house’s security alarm system.

When Zia Segule walked through the door, the alarm went off.

The police say they still are not sure whether or not Zia attempted to tell his wife that he was home, or if he tried to shut off the alarm. All they say they know for sure is that Tiffany — perhaps nervous due to a series of break-ins in the area recently — pulled out a gun and fired one round sight unseen, through her closed bedroom door.

The shot struck her husband in the chest.

Fayetteville Police Department Spokesperson Antoine Kincaide said that the pistol-packing wife was “doing what she thought was right” and acting in what she thought was self-defense.

“She woke up. She armed herself and she fired a shot through her bedroom door* hitting her husband in the chest,” Kincaide recounted.

“Being a female by herself, there are a lot of people out there doing harm, so you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself,” said one understanding neighbor, Jose Estrella. “Even at night, I wake up at night and say ‘Okay, did I just hear something?’ But I wouldn’t open fire just like that.”

The accidental shooting certainly could have been a lot worse, Just before the New Year’s holiday, a toddler in Idaho got his hands on a gun owned by his mother as they shopped in a Walmart, accidentally shooting her to death.

Soldier Zia Segule was apparently doing well despite the shooting at the hands of his wife. His only comment to the media was, “I’m good.” But doctors said he was walking under his own power as well as speaking.


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A Crossbow can be pretty deadly as well. Perhaps they should be banned too?

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...and slingshots and pellet rifles and bb guns and......
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Major Advances for Concealed Carry on Campuses in Several States



Gun bills advancing in Wyoming, Florida, Texas, Indiana, Montana, North Dakota

Concealed carry on campuses made strong advances with bills in Wyoming and Florida passing out of committee and one bill in Texas gaining support. Indiana and Montana recently introduced similar bills, and North Dakota is reportedly considering such legislation.

Rep. Allen Jaggi (R.) was the primary sponsor of House Bill 114, the Wyoming Repeal Gun Free Zones Act. It would allow for concealed carry of weapons at schools, universities, and colleges as well as governmental buildings.

It passed its first hurdle this week, with the House Judiciary Committee voting 8-1 to approve the bill and send it to the House floor."

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