The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[AntRobertson]

Mr. Ant, where did I ever state there were any children even remotely close to my personal weapons in the US?

Where did I say you had.

That was just an example, the point was: 'the stats show that a gun in the home is more likely to result in the death of a 'loved one' than it is to prevent a home invasion'.

[Storekeeper]

I've got one my grandfather brought back from WW1...good as the day it was made. Been in the family almost 100 years.

As it's the hand gun preferred by the Navy it's the only one I have experience with. It's super easy to maintain.

[rickschoppers]

Mr. Ant, where did I ever state there were any children even remotely close to my personal weapons in the US?

Where did I say you had.

That was just an example, the point was: 'the stats show that a gun in the home is more likely to result in the death of a 'loved one' than it is to prevent a home invasion'.

Inference Ant, inference. Then why quote a Pediatric statement? Why can't you just admit you were WRONG.
"According to American Academy of Pediatrics 10,000 children are killed or injured by guns every year and a lot of those from guns kept in the home."

[Storekeeper]

Great idea:

[AntRobertson]

Then why quote a Pediatric statement?

"That was just an example"

Why can't you just admit you were WRONG

Because you grabbing the irrelevant end of the stick and posting in CAPS doesn't make me wrong. That's why.

So do you dispute that stats show that a gun in the home is more likely to result in the death of a 'loved one' than it is to prevent a home invasion, or do you just want to continue banging on about an immaterial point.

[bsnub]

M1911 ... sturdy and dependable.

1911's are pure sex but I prefer a Glock 21. It holds more ammo.

^Not full auto.

Not in my state but in the two bordering states you can as long as you have the cash.

[rickschoppers]

Agree Storekeeper, but you will have to mount it high enough to keep out of the hands of children for Mr. Ant.

[AntRobertson]

So do you dispute that stats show that a gun in the home is more likely to result in the death of a 'loved one' than it is to prevent a home invasion, or do you just want to continue banging on about an immaterial point.

Agree Storekeepe4, but you will have to mount it high enough to keep out of the hands of children for Mr. Ant.

Asked and answered.

Thanks.

[rickschoppers]

Then why quote a Pediatric statement?

"That was just an example"

Why can't you just admit you were WRONG

Because you grabbing the irrelevant end of the stick and posting in CAPS doesn't make me wrong. That's why.

So do you dispute that stats show that a gun in the home is more likely to result in the death of a 'loved one' than it is to prevent a home invasion, or do you just want to continue banging on about an immaterial point.

Sounds like backpeddling to me Ant.

[AntRobertson]

Sounds like backpeddling to me Ant.

You're engaging in sophistry because you can't dispute the actual point, rick.

At no point did I say that you had guns around your kids. That's an inference you arrived at all on your lonesome and even after I clarified it for you are still clinging to it. Because, again, you can't dispute the actual substantive point.

[rickschoppers]

Ant, I do not disagree with most of your logic, but you have to understand there is a right to have firearms in the US. All the people I know are very responsible about gun safety, but that is not to say the things posted on this thread did not happen. I, and most the 325,000,000 Americans have never been involved with an accidental shooting. Unfortunately, some have but that does not negate the right to own firearms in the United States.

If you don't agree with the 2nd ammendment, that is fine. I, and others do agree with it and as long as it is in the books, citizens will exercise that right. Not sure what calling us all crazy has to do with it. I think the Thais are crazy for how some of them drive, but can I change it? No, so I live with it as should you and others. Change occurs very slowly, as we all know.

[Davis Knowlton]

1911's are pure sex but I prefer a Glock 21. It holds more ammo.
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My grandfather used to say, "If you can't take it down with 8, you should have been running after 5".

[AntRobertson]

No, so I live with it as should you and others. Change occurs very slowly, as we all know.

Do you remember those Lawn Darts from the late 80's? The ones that you'd lob into the plastic circle/target? During an eight year period there were 6,100 recorded cases of people seeking emergency room treatment from incidents/accidents involving them and of that 81% of those cases involved children 15 or younger, half of those were 10 or younger, and there was at least one tragic fatality involving a seven year old girl. They have been banned for years.

In the year since the Newtown, Connecticut mass shooting 100 children were unintentionally killed by gunfire in their own homes which averages out to almost two per week. That is part of a longer term trend so over, say, the last decade alone you're looking at 1,000 dead children minimum. No ban.

So live with it and slow change? Nah, I don't think so. There's a grotesque lack of will.

[rickschoppers]

Not sure if lawn darts can be compared to the 2nd ammendment and the right to own firearms, but I get your drift.

Things will change, as they always do. Not long ago I remember never having gun locks or safes, but things have changed. Is it as fast as you and others would like? Probably not, but that is not from a lack of will, which is your opinion. There will always be a shift toward safer living, but you can not ram it down people's throats.

Personally, I would rather own a firearm than not. I obviously do not own one in Thailand and probably never will, but I will continue to own one in the US, where it is allowed for home protection, whether it is agreeable to you or not. You, or anyone else will not change all the gun owners feelings on that fact. Can measures be implemented that make things safer? Sure there are and I have never disagreed with that as long as it does not take away the right to own a firearm.

[AntRobertson]

Things will change, as they always do

Here's hoping.

It also occurs to me sometimes - and this isn't directed at you/anyone in particular - that some people may not actually understand what 'gun control' entails, or at least have a warped or mistaken impression of it.

For instance my country has 'gun control', relatively strict at that, but that doesn't mean no guns. I grew up with guns: my father was a hunter and at any given time we would have had at least three guns in the house, sometimes many more than that. I shot guns with him and also at school as part of organised activity.

[bsnub]

My grandfather used to say, "If you can't take it down with 8, you should have been running after 5".

Ha! Thats a good one!

[rickschoppers]

Wow, there's an admission I never expected from someone who thinks it is idiotic to have firearms around children. My father was an avid hunter and owned firearms as long as I can remember. Did that make him a crazy zealot going around shooting everyone? No it did not, as you know from your childhood.

I think gun control has different definitions and there lies part of the problem. I have lived in both England and Thailand which both have "gun control", but obviosly different laws and rules. My understanding is that one can own a gun in Thailand following the gun laws, but I am not that familiar with England's gun laws. One of the reasons I would never own a firearm in Thailand is because, unlike the US, gun safety is virtually non-existant, plus if I never did wind up having to shoot a Thai national, I would be put away for a long, long time no matter what the circumstances were. At least in the US, I understand the gun laws and how one can protect themselves, if need be.

I guess responsible gun ownership is paramount.

[AntRobertson]

Wow, there's an admission I never expected from someone who thinks it is idiotic to have firearms around children

Hardly an admission, just a simple fact. The difference is that 100's of kids aren't unintentionally killed by gunfire in their own homes. I've no doubt there's probably a case or two but I can't think of one off-hand. By far the majority of unintentional firearms deaths in NZ occur in and around hunting.

I guess responsible gun ownership is paramount.

It surely is.

By the way, wasn't there a thread on gun ownership in Thailand? Seem to recall one. Not that I'm interested, your post just reminded me of it.

[rickschoppers]

I remember that too, which is how I learned one could own a firearm in Thailand. Personally, I never would unless I felt threatened like in the US. By that, I mean the bad guys in the US all have guns while most the bad guys in Thailand use knives and garden hoes. I do have a baseball bat in my bedroom just in case. I don't think my wife or son can get into any dangerous situations with that.

There are guns in Thailand, but most are owned by the military which is scary in itself.

[AntRobertson]

I do have a baseball bat in my bedroom just in case

Callaway Razr X-Forged 6 Iron.

[rickschoppers]

That will work, but I have never been a golfer.

[AntRobertson]

Neither have I. Doesn't stop me trying just about every weekend though.

[Neo]

And you needed a gun to do that ..?

paranoia and fear are crippling.....

Exactly

[harrybarracuda]

I do have a baseball bat in my bedroom just in case

Callaway Razr X-Forged 6 Iron.

I'd go with a Ping G30, power is more important than accuracy.

[AntRobertson]

power is more important than accuracy

Ah, so you've seen me play golf then.