The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[Grampa]

A Columbine student who's now in the Colorado legislature introduces a bill for Concealed Carry in K-12 schools.


Columbine survivor introduces bill to expand concealed-carry in schools

Legislation comes with Parkland students calling for gun control

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Monday, February 19, 2018

DENVER — Some students are calling for tougher gun-control laws after escaping last week’s horrific massacre in Parkland, Florida, but another school-shooting survivor is going in a different direction.

Colorado House Minority Leader Patrick Neville, who attended Columbine High School at the time of the 1999 mass shooting, has again introduced legislation to remove limitations on concealed carry in K-12 schools.

Under state law, concealed-carry permit holders may bring firearms onto school property, but must keep them locked inside their vehicles.

Mr. Neville, who has introduced the bill annually since he was elected in 2014, said the current law “creates a so-called gun free zone in every K-12 public school.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/19/columbine-survivor-bill-concealed-carry-schools/

[Latindancer]

The USA seems to now be a nation of wimps. They cower in classrooms, waiting to be shot. If any of the young guys or male teachers in that school knew martial atrs and had some guts, they would have been stalking the guy and pounding him to a pulp !


Pussies.

They should introduce compulsory martial arts classes, nationwide.

[uncle junior]

^what's wrong with you...the problem is not enough guns.

[harrybarracuda]

If any of the young guys or male teachers in that school knew martial atrs <sic> and had some guts, they would have been stalking the guy and got shot first.

FTFY.

[Thailandbound]

A Columbine student who's now in the Colorado legislature introduces a bill for Concealed Carry in K-12 schools.


Columbine survivor introduces bill to expand concealed-carry in schools

Legislation comes with Parkland students calling for gun control

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Monday, February 19, 2018

DENVER — Some students are calling for tougher gun-control laws after escaping last week’s horrific massacre in Parkland, Florida, but another school-shooting survivor is going in a different direction.

Colorado House Minority Leader Patrick Neville, who attended Columbine High School at the time of the 1999 mass shooting, has again introduced legislation to remove limitations on concealed carry in K-12 schools.

Under state law, concealed-carry permit holders may bring firearms onto school property, but must keep them locked inside their vehicles.

Mr. Neville, who has introduced the bill annually since he was elected in 2014, said the current law “creates a so-called gun free zone in every K-12 public school.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/19/columbine-survivor-bill-concealed-carry-schools/

Do you ever post your opinion or just parts of an article?

Yet, I posted an article which was relevant to the thread and my opinion and it was removed into the dog house? Go figure!

[Grampa]

Do you ever post your opinion or just parts of an article?

I disagree with the idea of Students carrying CCWs.

15, 16, 17 year old carrying pistols?

Insane.

Hormones raging, accidental shootings, ad infinitum.

[harrybarracuda]

Mr. Neville is a fucking idiot and an NRA shill.

[harrybarracuda]

An erudite essay from one of the Parkland survivors.

“At the end of the day, the students at my school felt one shared experience — our politicians abandoned us by failing to keep guns out of schools. But this time, my classmates and I are going to hold them to account. This time we are going to pressure them to take action. This time we are going to force them to spend more energy protecting human lives than unborn fetuses.”


Cameron, God bless you for that sentiment. But just one piece of respectful advice: If your generation and mine want to get serious about a gun control crusade, we all need to get out of Facebook and into someone’s face: the N.R.A.’s.


This fight can’t be won on Twitter or Instagram. They do get people into the streets. But social media have created a world of faux activism — “Hey, I tweeted about it” — that the bad guys take advantage of. The N.R.A. is not just in the chat rooms. It’s in the cloakrooms of Congress and state legislatures. And it’s there with bags of money and votes it uses to reward lawmakers who do its bidding and hurt those who don’t.


I loved seeing the 100 students from your high school taking buses Tuesday to Florida’s capital to directly press lawmakers. That’s a great start. I hope every high school follows.


But, ultimately, nothing will change unless young and old who oppose the N.R.A. run for office, vote, help someone vote, register someone to vote or help fund someone’s campaign — so we can threaten the same electoral pain as the National Rifle Association, which, according to PolitiFact, spent $203.2 million between 1998 and 2017 funding its candidates, defeating gun control advocates and lobbying. This is not about persuading people with better ideas. We tried that. It’s about generating raw electoral power and pain.


Because most of the G.O.P. members of Congress who do the N.R.A.’s bidding care about only one thing: their jobs. The pay of a typical congressman is $174,000 — and free parking at Reagan National Airport — and they will sell themselves to whoever can generate the votes to enable them to keep both.


Are some Democratic lawmakers cowards, too? You bet. But I can show you plenty who have bucked their party’s orthodoxies on education and trade and who insisted that their much-admired colleague Senator Al Franken had to resign over sexual harassment allegations. And most of them have long dared to lose elections to oppose the N.R.A. This is primarily a G.O.P. problem today.


How do we know that? Read the paper or the web. The G.O.P., which claimed to stand for conservative family values, has prostrated itself before the most indecent person to ever occupy the White House — a man who lies as he breathes, smears poor, nonwhite nations and reportedly had sex with a porn star shortly after his wife delivered their son. But G.O.P. lawmakers are mute on this because President Trump energizes their base and ensures their $174,000-a-year jobs and free parking at Reagan National Airport.


This is a party whose evangelicals have been telling us for decades that life is so sacred the G.O.P. must oppose abortion — even in the case of rape, incest or risk to the mother’s life. But Republicans won’t back common-sense gun laws that would protect fully developed human beings — because the N.R.A. energizes their base and funds their campaigns and ensures their $174,000-a-year jobs and free parking at Reagan National Airport.


This is a party whose “Freedom Caucus” was so obsessed with our rising national debt that it tried to prevent Barack Obama from spending a dime to stimulate our economy after it went deep into recession — but just voted to add $1 trillion to the debt for a corporate tax cut without regard for the burden put on our kids. Republicans did so because Trump energizes their base and ensures that they keep their $174,000-a-year jobs and free parking at Reagan National Airport.


Trying to embarrass them to act on principle is wasted breath. I suspect they’re already embarrassed. When these G.O.P. lawmakers are alone at home contemplating the pictures of all these kids gunned down in Florida — thinking about what it’d be like to be one of their parents — plenty of them probably feel filthy for doing the N.R.A.’s bidding.


They know full well that most voters are not asking to scrap the Second Amendment, but for common-sense gun laws that could prevent or reduce more school shootings and would not interfere with any decent Americans’ right to own guns for hunting, sports or self-protection.


They know full well that a common-sense banning of all military assault weapons, high-capacity magazines and bump stocks, or mandating universal background checks for gun buyers or to prevent terrorists and the mentally ill from buying guns, would not curb the constitutional right to bear arms.


They know full well that they’re in the grip of an N.R.A. cult, whose heart is so frozen, it’s content to watch innocent children and adults get gunned down weekly — rather than impose common-sense gun limits. They know all of this — but they suppress it, because they also know if they vote for common-sense gun laws, the N.R.A. will fund their next opponent. Like I said, this is just about raw naked power, and that is what sensible gun control advocates have to generate more of now — in the form of votes and campaign funding. Otherwise nothing changes."

[harrybarracuda]

Nearly two-thirds of U.S. voters support stricter gun laws, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Tuesday that showed more people than ever backing stricter laws in the wake of last week’s school shooting in Florida.
Sixty-six percent of voters said they support stricter gun laws - the highest ever level of support measured in the poll. Thirty-one percent said they were opposed.
“If you think Americans are largely unmoved by the mass shootings, you should think again,” said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll. “Support for stricter gun laws is up nearly 19 points in little more than 2 years.”

Sixty-seven percent also said they favor a nationwide ban on the sale of military-style, semiautomatic weapons, compared to 29 percent who said they were opposed. More than four in five voters also said they support a mandatory waiting period on all gun buys.
Using an AR-15 rifle, a gunman opened fire at Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida last week, killing at least 17 people and leaving others injured.
Public polling frequently shows an uptick in support for gun controls immediately after a mass shooting, though perhaps not to this extent.

A Quinnipiac survey released in Feb. 2013, shortly after the Dec. 2012 Newtown school shootings, found that 52 percent supported stricter gun laws, compared to 43 percent who said they were opposed.
That had dropped to a 47 percent/50 percent support/oppose split in December 2015.
But it jumped back up to a 60 percent/36 percent split in favor of stricter laws in a poll released in November 2017, after a mass shooting at a Texas church that month that left at least 26 people dead and a shooting at a concert in Las Vegas in October that killed at least 59 people.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...gh-quinnipiac/

[harrybarracuda]

Onto the continuing tragedy of American gun violence are now piled many kinds of grotesquerie, not least the e-mails, sure to come to any parent with kids still in school anywhere in the country, offering “tips on talking to children about violence” and promising that your child’s school “has been performing lockdown drill protocols that our security team and consultants have recommended to ensure that we are prepared in the unlikely event that an incident occurs.” We have normalized gun killings to the point that we must now be reassured that, when the person with the AR-15 comes to your kid’s school, there’s a plan to cope with him. (That the planning is almost worthless is proved by the killings in Florida, where the murderer may have taken advantage of his knowledge of the lockdown protocols in order to kill more students.) Here, though, are four simple truths worth saying again, in the aftermath of the Florida massacre, about gun control and gun violence.


1. The gun lobby, and the Republican Party it controls, have accepted as a matter of necessity the ongoing deaths of hundreds of children as the price that they are prepared to pay for the fetishization of weapons. The claim of this lobby’s complicity in murder is not exaggerated or hysterical but, by now, quite simple and precise: when you refuse to act to stop a social catastrophe from happening, you are responsible for the consequences of the social catastrophe. If you refuse to immunize your children and a measles epidemic breaks out, you are implicated in the measles. If you refuse to pay money for sewers and cholera breaks out, you are complicit in the cholera. Acts have consequences. This complicity includes all of the hand-wringers and the tut-tutters and the “nothing to be done”-ers as much as the N.R.A. hardcore. Many people have predicted, repeatedly, that one gun massacre would lead to the next—and that more gun massacres would probably take place in one year in America than in the rest of the civilized world combined—and they have been proved right, and then right again. Since everyone knew that this would happen again, those who did nothing to stop it happening again—and everything they did to see that no one else could do anything to stop it happening again—are complicit when it happens, again.


2. The claim that gun massacres are mysterious or difficult or bewildering or resistant to legislation is a lie. When people say that nothing can be done because this law wouldn’t stop this one, or that law that one, they are acting in ignorance of the most significant and obvious fact: that no other modernized society experiences remotely the frequency or the horror of American gun killings. There is no mystery at all to stopping this, if there is a minimal will to stop it. A huge, repeated body of social science shows that gun control controls gun violence, and largely eliminates gun massacres, within the normal limits of human action. (People still die of infections; that is no argument against the efficacy of antibiotics. Crimes continue on our streets; that is no argument against the thousand small sanities that have so dramatically reduced violent crime in our cities.) If we had gun laws like the gun laws in Canada or in Britain, we would have gun violence at the level that it exists in Canada and Britain. There is no special American quiddity that would alter this—to insist otherwise is as irrational as insisting that American kids shouldn’t be immunized because American kids have a different kind of immunity than other kids. They don’t. Building small barriers to gun violence reduces all gun violence. The lesson of contemporary social science is that small difficulties have great effects; make crime harder and you have much less crime. Make getting guns harder and you will have fewer people using them. Merely make gun ownership as demanding as, say, car ownership, with a license to obtain and insurance to buy, and you will see a drastic reduction in gun violence and perhaps a near-end to the mass killings of children.


3. The Second Amendment is not a barrier to gun sanity. The reading, from left to right, of the amendment was—until the day before yesterday, historically speaking—that it provided no guarantee to the individual ownership of guns. The notion that it does is novel, radical, and wrong.


4. The attempt to turn the question of gun violence into a question of mental health is obscene. Of course, people who kill children en masse are crazy. That’s the given. Saying this says nothing; every country contains mentally ill and potentially violent people. Only America arms them. When Donald Trump, who last year signed a bill to end a mild Obama-era rule designed to keep mass-killing weapons out of the hands of people with certain mental illnesses, talks about reporting people who are “mentally disturbed” to the proper authorities—well, irony piles upon irony, and the only adequate tribute is contempt and silence.


https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/four-truths-about-the-florida-school-shooting

[Neo]

[uncle junior]

Trump's floating the idea of banning bump stocks. Whattaguy.

[harrybarracuda]

[Norton]

Trump's floating the idea of banning bump stocks. Whattaguy.

That's nice. Trump is trying to appease the protesting kids. Not gonna work 45. They are mad as hell. Side note the high school shooter did not use a bump stock.

Trump urges ban on 'bump stocks,' other gun modifiers | Fox News

[harrybarracuda]

That's nice. Trump is trying to appease the protesting kids. Not gonna work 45. They are mad as hell. Side note the high school shooter did not use a bump stock.

Trump urges ban on 'bump stocks,' other gun modifiers | Fox News

One hopes the kids are fucking his twatter feed right up.

[Grampa]

That's nice. Trump is trying to appease the protesting kids. Not gonna work 45. They are mad as hell. Side note the high school shooter did not use a bump stock.

Trump urges ban on 'bump stocks,' other gun modifiers | Fox News

At 18 they can vote.

It's a demographic worth considering (like all of the other ones).

[uncle junior]

The Florida House of Representatives was in session on Tuesday considering several issues. These included a motion to debate a bill banning the sale of assault weapons in the aftermath of the mass shooting that killed 17 people last week at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., and a resolution declaring pornography a public health risk.

The House chose not to consider the gun-control bill.

It later passed the resolution claiming that porn is dangerous.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.08c56671e945

[Grampa]

The Florida House of Representatives was in session on Tuesday considering several issues. These included a motion to debate a bill banning the sale of assault weapons in the aftermath of the mass shooting that killed 17 people last week at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., and a resolution declaring pornography a public health risk.

The House chose not to consider the gun-control bill.

It later passed the resolution claiming that porn is dangerous.

Yes, p*rn is dangerous - not AR 15s - and the vast majority of the politicians watch p*rn.. Their kids also go to expensive private schools - not their problem.

[bobo746]

I Hope someone is listening.

Teenagers Demand 'Never Again' in an Age of Mass Shootings

[Maanaam]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.08c56671e945

I just don't know what to say. The elected representatives of the people refuse to even debate an issue that currently most of the people want not just debated but dealt with soundly, and choose instead to debate and pass a law, (on the grounds of public health!) that porn is dangerous.
Guns aren't dangerous, apparently. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

[tomcat]

...^Billy Graham might have suggested that thoughts and prayers would eventually reach critical mass and resurrect the dead...however, he died before anyone could shoot him...

[AntRobertson]

Donald Trump's school shooting solution: Give teachers guns - NZ Herald

Well there you go.

The solution was so simple, it was staring everyone in the face all along.

The solution to gun violence is more guns.

[uncle junior]

Speaks volumes about who's being represented in the legislature.

[tomcat]

[AntRobertson]

The sliming of Douglas High students can't be ignored - it's too disgusting for that - NZ Herald

The above article is about professional cock wombles like Dinesh D'Souza and the usual online trolls disparaging the students protesting.

The usual cast of right-wing fuckwits like Alex Jones et. al. have also come out of their slimy worm holes to start peddling the usual 'False Flag'-tinfoil-hat-crisis-actors' shit as well.

Cnuts.