Thread: Execute or life in prison...

By all means, when someone you love is cut down in cold blood, and they are denied the chance to live out their life, raise children or even enjoy the feeling of the warm summer sun, go and stund up for them, plead wth the court to spare the life of their killer.
The death penalty ofr any crime other than murder may be barbaric but someone that chooses take life should not have his life preserved so as not appear 'barbaric."
Fuck it; take life, lose a ife. To hell deterrents, to hell with treating them "civilized."
Intentionally, in cold blood, take a life, lose your's. That dude that blew up the building in oaklahoma City? Glad he's dead. that friend f mine I won;t be glad when he is executed but the families of the 11 people he kelled and maybe the other 22 he claimed, wll no that the man who denied them the company of their loved ones will not be there to enjoy his childs graduation or marriage. Some may argue that his child will be denied a father but in truth his father, serving life in prison, would be a weight around his neck for decades. With the man gone he can grieve and get on with his life. The fact that the state may take 15 - 20 years to off the dude will wear more heavily on his kids than a quick end ever would. Teh death penalty for murder, and only for murder, has my support. I wil say that it is unevenly applied ina deplorable manner; fix the system, it fuckin' needs it. But, go ahead, and murder the murderers.

how about the death sentence for drug dealers like here in Thailand - surely that is wrong?

Death penalty for dealing drugs...
Ok let's kill the CEOs of all those drug companies, the owner of Chaang brewery the ditilers of fine spirits. That ain't justice it ain't nothin' but other gangsters protcting their turf.

I know someone serving life without parole. Went in when he was 17 years old for Aggravated First Degree Murder. He was raped on the first night, then they transfered him to Walla Walla state Pen. He now has 2 sex offenses on his record after earning medium security access for good behoviour.

I now know a guy serving 15 years, and 1 year.

I've known others that did 3 and 5.

As for the death penalty, I support it for premeditated murder, murder for money, hurting children, mass murderes, and yes, even corruption - if the the corruption ruins peoples' lives severly. This includes CEOs who pollutes a town secretly, and cause generations to get permanent disabilities and die.

Talk about the death penalty is that: talk.

Even when the sentence is carried out, it's less than .10% of the cases.

The death penalty debate doesn't change people's minds, and it won't change a nation's laws.

My advise: don't rape, and murder. And also, don't smuggle 396 grams of heroin through Singapore.

Originally Posted by Snaff

I know someone serving life without parole. Went in when he was 17 years old for Aggravated First Degree Murder. He was raped on the first night, then they transfered him to Walla Walla state Pen. He now has 2 sex offenses on his record after earning medium security access for good behoviour.

I now know a guy serving 15 years, and 1 year.

I've known others that did 3 and 5.

As for the death penalty, I support it for premeditated murder, murder for money, hurting children, mass murderes, and yes, even corruption - if the the corruption ruins peoples' lives severly. This includes CEOs who pollutes a town secretly, and cause generations to get permanent disabilities and die.

Talk about the death penalty is that: talk.

Even when the sentence is carried out, it's less than .10% of the cases.

The death penalty debate doesn't change people's minds, and it won't change a nation's laws.

My advise: don't rape, and murder. And also, don't smuggle 396 grams of heroin through Singapore.

I'm with the Snaffster on this.

Very sound advice. Pity you couldn't have passed it on to 'Tookie' all that time ago.

Death sentence for "hurting children"? What's your definition? My mother gave me once a slap and that hurted, should she be on death row according to your opinion?

I sat drinking in a pub in West London after a tough week at work some years back. I was sitting next to a guy who was largely known as an antisocial, anti authority type. I basically thought that he was a fokwit but the beer tasted good and I had the weekend to look forward to. I talked to him for a time, as you do. I decided that he and I were very different in our outlook so I moved away without offending the guy.

That very night I went home and turned on the tele and watched in disbelief as his pic was splashed up on screen as being wanted for murdering his galfriend and her mother in a house in Islington that very day.

I had been chatting with a guy that had just killed two ppl and simply returned to work and then gone to the pub for after work drinks. He had stabbed them to death apparently.

He was later arrested in Norwich and is now serving life but will prolly be out in 15 or so years if he behaves himself.

To my mind the state has 15 years to rehabilitate this guy. If he gets out and kills again then the state will be at fault. I think that everyone should be afforded the right of life, no matter what they have done.

This guy is clearly ill. Should we as a society, kill him for his wrongdoing? Not on your nelly. The guy needs our help, not our retribution.

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

What if it was your sister and niece Cap? never to bounce your niece on your knee again, your sister never calling you a drunken slob and family gatherings again...

Maliciously or intently take a life lose yours. Calling the guy sick is just excusing his behavior. An excuse not to act. Murderers deserve to be murdered. Live by the sword die by the sword. You cannot deny people the right to breath without giving up that right yourself. There are occasionally folks that do not know right from wrong and they should be locked away from society.
Coolly take two lives, go to work and then have a couple of drinks at the pub, do 15 years and walk? There is no way in hell I can see that being justified. Let him rot in a cell for 5 years thinking about what he did knowing he's gonna die, then gass his ass.

just a case, r two, in point, know a guy killed his Girlfriend and the dude she was fuckin' Did 10 years. 2nd degree murder. It was planned but he dealt it down a notch. Couple a years after he got out. I saw him in jail again. he killed a couple more folks. He was the sweetest guy, nice to shoot the shit with, but a killer. Not sure if he's waiting to die. Terry Bevins. I'd sleep safer knowing this dude is under ground. Same with John Sapp, I've know and like this guy most his life. These guys on death row are dangerous men that have deprived folks of life. They really didn't expect to be allowed to live when they made their coice to take life we shouldn't disappoint them.

You must know by now that I respect your opinion immensly frisco. However, I do not agree with you on this issue and never will. To my mind 'Gassing their arse' after five years of incarceration on death row is just too easy. Killing ppl is just plain wrong so why should the state justify it.
Yeah, these geezers are bad machines but should they be simply killed for their incredibly antisocial acts? I think not. I believe that every time the state kills someone for these acts they are admitting that they have no answer to why these folks did what they did. Surely a more fitting punishment would be to make them face the fact that what they did is unnacceptable on every day of their sorry life for as long as they live. Keep them alive and sorry for as long as possible I reckon.
Their death is no deterrent to others. Death is what? These guys cannot conceptualize death, nor can most of us. If these guys cannot be deterred from taking life they should be made to deal with the fact that what they did was wrong for as long as possible. In the same way as suicide is an easy way out when things get too tough for the weak, these folks need to be reminded constantly that we, as a race, value life and the liberty that comes with it. Remove their liberty and say 'we aint gonna kill you, we are gonna make you fester on how bad you were as a person' and then ppl may be deterred from killing.

Life is all we as humans get.

Thinking of it, last friday sitting in the pub my mate introduced me to someone who obviously spent 12 years in prison for manslaughter. Seems like he killed his wife for bitching too much.
But your story, Cap, is much more frigtening. Think of what could have happened if you confronted him over your different opinions. :???:

I wish I could agree wth you cap, i really do. in some ways i think it is sad too. I know at least one kid (OK he's abot 30 now) waiting for his dad to die. I have spoke with hs dad on the phone from death row. It would a wonderful world where we could rehabilitate, forgive and forget. But i done time with these guys. i've seen 'em get out and do it again. I've watched dudes collapse on the tier cut open by these dudes. They just continue to kill.

Sure there are those cases where the guy's pushed beyond his limits, and certain places don't account for that; rather than abolish the DP how about addressing the issue of places like Florida, Texas and Singapore where Execution is the juristic pasttime? Those places are killers, and their justice is uneven. But most the dudes on death row in most states are not poor over stressed husbands and lovers.

They are not some guy wanting to make a quick buck selling heroin or crank. These guys are career convicts that when released upon society start their run the day they get out. They look forward to some pussy, a shot of dope and gettin a gun. they're out for 18 months and if they don't kill somebody they'll go back for armed robbery, burglary or shoplifting. These guys are your worst nightmare that think murder is this quickest and simplest solution to many situations.

They've been counseled, and coddled for years, usually in some youthful offenders program, then on to a kiddie joint. Maybe they stuck their first victim at sixteen while walkin to chow. They live outside the rules of society and care nothing for your values. These guys would consider you a sucker for caring about their lives (not saying i do I actually understand your view).

Ya see, I know these guys, did time wth 'em. Grew up with some of 'em and been at the wrong end of a gun with a few of 'em.

You are absolutely right, Life is all we humans have. Those that can take it so ruthlessly, without regard or consideration for what they do, cannnot walk the line in the joint. Too many others would die. Others that maybe had a chance to reform, realize their lives are being wasted. No, man, they took life for their own personal satisfaction, their own personal gain. Spending 300,000 USD (conservative guesstimate) a year to house these guys, beyond help, is robbing young children that could use the help,the education.

So without being flippant, let me say this: Maybe when murder these murderers we are admitting we ahve no solution for a problem that has plagued mankind since before history was written. And maybe ther will be a magic cure discoverd some day. Some Clockwork Orange mind washing technique. I seriously doubt it.

These ruthless killers need to be culled from the herd. They deserve the finality, the loss of all hope that only death can bring. Their victims deserve that justice.

I wonder why so many people who do not trust the government and its judicial system believe that in cases of murder they will always make the right decision.

Yeah there's the rub ain't it? So how can I support the death penalty when We can't be sure. And it really isn't the governement. At leat in teh states we ahve a thing called a jury. No matter what the system there will be abuses and mistakes. So let me come out against abuse and mistakes. I'm also against housing amoral sociopaths that kill all so easily. Are reforms needed? you bet your ass. Does the governement lie and steal from those it is sworn to serve and protect? you bet your ass.
Hey! I've go it!! Why don't we abolish government? Then there won't be any more abuse.

You know what the problems is: 80% of all people are morons according to my estimation, I mean scientific measurement. And those morons are the jury in a trial or elect the parliament and, in the US, the president as well.

By the way, professional judges are much more trustworthy than jurys in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Ice Maiden

This is quite a complex choice.

How many times have you said/done something and not thought about the consequences? I can honestly say that I have done that many a time.

It depends upon the context and significance of the thing you are doing, when not thinking of the consequences.

Murder, and Heroin smuggling?

Oh, if I am facing 25, life, or death over it, I will definately ponder and examine the consequences.

Originally Posted by Dougal

No offence intended Frisco, but some of your social circle seem to have been singularly unfortunate.

Nah, just a bunch a crazy fuckers. It was actually most of my social circle! There were some wild days. And I spent a few years behind bars before I gave that life up.
I think it came to an end for me when I had three men under the cover of my own gun. It was probably one of the major turning points in my lfe. What they had attempted could not be forgiven. I knew if I let those men go I could never return to that life. I would then be considered weak and a target. In order to survive I would eventually have to rectify my decision. I knew, also, if did not let them go I could never think of myself a good man; the man, in short, I wanted raising my children.
This topic made me look up the names of the men on death row in California. There are more than I care to admit that I have known more than just in passing. Everyone of 'em had the same opportunity to walk away