Thread: IS

Reuters: Convert]Convert]Convert, pay tax, or die, Islamic State warns Christians

It started off as ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria), then became ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant), and now it's IS (Islamic State). Would be nice if the civilised world knew what it is, but IS seems to make most sense since it does not restrict future growth in any direction.

So, al-Baghdadi has established IS, linked to AQ, which led the assault last month to capture large areas of northern Iraq. Might make some wonder how dead AQ is, either that or Obama was lying.

al Baghdadi has since marketed IS as a Caliphate, naturally with him as its (Sunni) Caliph, taking the name Caliph Ibrahim. For those not in the loop, a Caliph is the leader of the Muslim ummah, or nation. Caliphs are traditionally thrust upon the people by whichever contender is the most powerful; ad hoc, no election, no appointment, whoever has the strongest 'influence' becomes the Caliph.

Only a Caliph has the moral authority to wage offensive Jihad. As we've seen to date, all Jihad has been touted as a 'defensive' response or reaction to something the infidels did or didn't do. Examples include Abu Ghraib, Israel, poverty, discrimination, lack of opportunity, etc., but all of these are superficial and used as a convenience. The fact that infidels reject Allah and Mohamed as his messenger, is already ample reason to perceive a threat, thereby allowing any form of Jihad or Jihadi atrocity to be rated 'defensive'.

So far, As the new Caliph, Baghdadi has already begun issuing calls for offensive Jihad.

IS is new, and so far has been consolidating its gains those parts of Syria and Iraq that it occupies. It has oil. It is Sunni, which means the Shia, almost certainly led by Iran, will be preparing to announce their own Caliphate leading to more complex issues, many of which directly affect the civilised world.

Within the hodgepodge of alliances, broken alliances, betrayal and mistrust which is characteristic and has always been the nature of Muslims, IS is devoted to complete accord with the Koran and Sharia.

To this end, IS has already invoked the Koran and Mohamed, by issuing an ultimatum to northern Iraq’s remaining Christian population to either convert to Islam, pay the jizya, or face death.

The Koran: "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book (mostly Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" - Koran 9:29

Mohamed: "Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to accept Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them. (Sahih Muslim 4294)


IS should be top of the civilised world's concerns, more so than whether Putin did or didn't down a plane which doesn't matter much either way because our glorious noise makers are not going to address it beyond posture and rhetoric.

Unfortunately it could be argued that the same applies to Islam, Jihad, and most things to do with whatever cannot be defeated by a polite, or spineless people.

How the West bankrolls Isis: Millions from governments and NGOs funding radical Islamic terror group

Western governments are sending millions of pounds of aid to areas held by the radical Islamic group Isis in northern Syria.

The aid, which is paid for by the UK, European and US governments, consists of food, medicine and hygiene kits. It is brought into the country through the war-torn north from the two last remaining border posts open with Turkey in Reyhanli and Kilis.

Western groups such as Mercy Corps International, the Norwegian Refugee Council, World Vision, the International Rescue Committee and the United Nations World Food Programme provide supplies to hundreds of thousands of people every month across the self-proclaimed Islamic State.

This includes towns such as Raqqa, Manbij and Jarablus, which have witnessed beheadings, crucifixions and other draconian interpretations of sharia since Isis took over early this year.

“We have lots of direct shipments into Isis-held areas. Nearly all of our trucks go through the Turkish border post near Kilis. Sometimes they get stuck en route, and we have to wait two or three weeks for them to get there if they get held up by fighting or another opposition group which isn’t happy that we’re sending aid through an Isis checkpoint,” said a Western aid worker.

Aid groups say their aim is to help vulnerable people, not to support the rule of Isis. Mercy Corps, which has headquarters in the UK and the US, has received £27.3m from the UK Department for International Development for humanitarian activities in Syria.

A spokeswoman for Mercy Corps said: “We have been delivering essential aid to hundreds of thousands of civilians in need on all sides of the conflict, irrespective of race, ethnicity, religion or political affiliation – as an independent, impartial humanitarian organisation, that is our mandate.”

Isis uses social media to demonstrate the brutality with which it treats its enemies and those who break its laws. But it uses the same media to show it distributing aid and administering healthcare to people under its rule.

Its ability to deliver free aid and free fuel has been a major factor in persuading residents of recently conquered towns such as Mosul to accept its rule.

A spokesman for Dfid said it did not supply aid to Isis directly: “We supply life-saving aid to people who need it, in line with international humanitarian principles including impartiality.”

Bashar al-Assad, who was sworn in for a third term today, said states that have supported terrorism will pay the price and that he would fight insurgents until security was restored to the country.

“Soon we will see that the Arab, regional and Western states that supported terrorism will pay a high price,” he told his supporters at the presidential palace.

Meanwhile in warehouses and industrial parks along Turkey’s southern border, there are shipping containers waiting to be unloaded. Workers unload unmarked boxes which are then loaded on to commercial trucks. The food includes wheat, rice, tinned tomatoes, sugar and oil. The medical supplies are basic items that do not require cold storage such as bandages and basic drugs.

The trucks are then driven across the border to areas precariously held by Syrian opposition forces and Islamist groups including Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qa’ida’s official branch in Syria, which is also fighting against Isis.

Isis, reinforced by US military supplies taken from defeated Iraqi forces, has renewed its assaults against Syrian non-government forces including Kurds and Western-backed groups such as the Free Syrian Army.

Although Isis is officially fighting Jabhat al-Nusra, the Islamic Front and the Free Syrian Army, humanitarian aid and commercial goods are more often than not allowed to cross the “border” to Isis areas.

The aid is then distributed and monitored by civilian Syrian relief committees, many of which were in place before Isis took over, according to aid workers who operate out of Turkey’s southern city of Gaziantep.

Aid workers say Isis, which has kidnapped Western journalists and workers in the past, lets them work mostly without interference. “They’re happy to let us work on the large part without preconditions,” said one Western aid worker.

Isis is designated a terrorist group by the United State which also offers a reward of $10m (£5.8m) for information leading to the capture of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who declared himself caliph in imitation of the companions of Mohamed who set up a caliphate in the Middle East and North Africa in the seventh century.

In addition to international aid, Isis-controlled areas of Raqqa and Deir Ezzour are very fertile and produce a vast amount of the region’s wheat. Deir Ezzour also has some of the biggest oilfields in Syria.

Isis is also luring doctors and nurses with large salaries in return for their loyalty, a Syrian doctor working for a Norwegian medical NGO in Raqqa said.

“They are buying people one by one – they are offering doctors up to 100,000 Syrian pounds a month (£390), which is a fortune there now.

“At the beginning they would take any aid they didn’t have to pay for, but since they announced the establishment of the caliphate, they are running their own services so that it can become more like a state.”

How the West bankrolls Isis: Millions from governments and NGOs funding radical Islamic terror group - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk


lol

Weird that your arch enemy is being funded by western tax dollars

Originally Posted by pseudolus

How the West bankrolls Isis: Millions from governments and NGOs funding radical Islamic terror group

Western governments are sending millions of pounds of aid to areas held by the radical Islamic group Isis in northern Syria.

The aid, which is paid for by the UK, European and US governments, consists of food, medicine and hygiene kits. It is brought into the country through the war-torn north from the two last remaining border posts open with Turkey in Reyhanli and Kilis.

Western groups such as Mercy Corps International, the Norwegian Refugee Council, World Vision, the International Rescue Committee and the United Nations World Food Programme provide supplies to hundreds of thousands of people every month across the self-proclaimed Islamic State.

This includes towns such as Raqqa, Manbij and Jarablus, which have witnessed beheadings, crucifixions and other draconian interpretations of sharia since Isis took over early this year.

“We have lots of direct shipments into Isis-held areas. Nearly all of our trucks go through the Turkish border post near Kilis. Sometimes they get stuck en route, and we have to wait two or three weeks for them to get there if they get held up by fighting or another opposition group which isn’t happy that we’re sending aid through an Isis checkpoint,” said a Western aid worker.

Aid groups say their aim is to help vulnerable people, not to support the rule of Isis. Mercy Corps, which has headquarters in the UK and the US, has received £27.3m from the UK Department for International Development for humanitarian activities in Syria.

A spokeswoman for Mercy Corps said: “We have been delivering essential aid to hundreds of thousands of civilians in need on all sides of the conflict, irrespective of race, ethnicity, religion or political affiliation – as an independent, impartial humanitarian organisation, that is our mandate.”

Isis uses social media to demonstrate the brutality with which it treats its enemies and those who break its laws. But it uses the same media to show it distributing aid and administering healthcare to people under its rule.

Its ability to deliver free aid and free fuel has been a major factor in persuading residents of recently conquered towns such as Mosul to accept its rule.

A spokesman for Dfid said it did not supply aid to Isis directly: “We supply life-saving aid to people who need it, in line with international humanitarian principles including impartiality.”

Bashar al-Assad, who was sworn in for a third term today, said states that have supported terrorism will pay the price and that he would fight insurgents until security was restored to the country.

“Soon we will see that the Arab, regional and Western states that supported terrorism will pay a high price,” he told his supporters at the presidential palace.

Meanwhile in warehouses and industrial parks along Turkey’s southern border, there are shipping containers waiting to be unloaded. Workers unload unmarked boxes which are then loaded on to commercial trucks. The food includes wheat, rice, tinned tomatoes, sugar and oil. The medical supplies are basic items that do not require cold storage such as bandages and basic drugs.

The trucks are then driven across the border to areas precariously held by Syrian opposition forces and Islamist groups including Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qa’ida’s official branch in Syria, which is also fighting against Isis.

Isis, reinforced by US military supplies taken from defeated Iraqi forces, has renewed its assaults against Syrian non-government forces including Kurds and Western-backed groups such as the Free Syrian Army.

Although Isis is officially fighting Jabhat al-Nusra, the Islamic Front and the Free Syrian Army, humanitarian aid and commercial goods are more often than not allowed to cross the “border” to Isis areas.

The aid is then distributed and monitored by civilian Syrian relief committees, many of which were in place before Isis took over, according to aid workers who operate out of Turkey’s southern city of Gaziantep.

Aid workers say Isis, which has kidnapped Western journalists and workers in the past, lets them work mostly without interference. “They’re happy to let us work on the large part without preconditions,” said one Western aid worker.

Isis is designated a terrorist group by the United State which also offers a reward of $10m (£5.8m) for information leading to the capture of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who declared himself caliph in imitation of the companions of Mohamed who set up a caliphate in the Middle East and North Africa in the seventh century.

In addition to international aid, Isis-controlled areas of Raqqa and Deir Ezzour are very fertile and produce a vast amount of the region’s wheat. Deir Ezzour also has some of the biggest oilfields in Syria.

Isis is also luring doctors and nurses with large salaries in return for their loyalty, a Syrian doctor working for a Norwegian medical NGO in Raqqa said.

“They are buying people one by one – they are offering doctors up to 100,000 Syrian pounds a month (£390), which is a fortune there now.

“At the beginning they would take any aid they didn’t have to pay for, but since they announced the establishment of the caliphate, they are running their own services so that it can become more like a state.”

How the West bankrolls Isis: Millions from governments and NGOs funding radical Islamic terror group - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk


lol

Weird that your arch enemy is being funded by western tax dollars

Not weird, but more common than not.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Originally Posted by leemo

al Baghdadi has since marketed IS as a Caliphate,

The original Caliphate was ruled by a muslim but had jews, christians and muslims living side by side. no ?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

How the West bankrolls Isis: Millions from governments and NGOs funding radical Islamic terror group

Western governments are sending millions of pounds of aid to areas held by the radical Islamic group Isis in northern Syria.

The aid, which is paid for by the UK, European and US governments, consists of food, medicine and hygiene kits. It is brought into the country through the war-torn north from the two last remaining border posts open with Turkey in Reyhanli and Kilis.

Western groups such as Mercy Corps International, the Norwegian Refugee Council, World Vision, the International Rescue Committee and the United Nations World Food Programme provide supplies to hundreds of thousands of people every month across the self-proclaimed Islamic State.

This includes towns such as Raqqa, Manbij and Jarablus, which have witnessed beheadings, crucifixions and other draconian interpretations of sharia since Isis took over early this year.

“We have lots of direct shipments into Isis-held areas. Nearly all of our trucks go through the Turkish border post near Kilis. Sometimes they get stuck en route, and we have to wait two or three weeks for them to get there if they get held up by fighting or another opposition group which isn’t happy that we’re sending aid through an Isis checkpoint,” said a Western aid worker.

Aid groups say their aim is to help vulnerable people, not to support the rule of Isis. Mercy Corps, which has headquarters in the UK and the US, has received £27.3m from the UK Department for International Development for humanitarian activities in Syria.

A spokeswoman for Mercy Corps said: “We have been delivering essential aid to hundreds of thousands of civilians in need on all sides of the conflict, irrespective of race, ethnicity, religion or political affiliation – as an independent, impartial humanitarian organisation, that is our mandate.”

Isis uses social media to demonstrate the brutality with which it treats its enemies and those who break its laws. But it uses the same media to show it distributing aid and administering healthcare to people under its rule.

Its ability to deliver free aid and free fuel has been a major factor in persuading residents of recently conquered towns such as Mosul to accept its rule.

A spokesman for Dfid said it did not supply aid to Isis directly: “We supply life-saving aid to people who need it, in line with international humanitarian principles including impartiality.”

Bashar al-Assad, who was sworn in for a third term today, said states that have supported terrorism will pay the price and that he would fight insurgents until security was restored to the country.

“Soon we will see that the Arab, regional and Western states that supported terrorism will pay a high price,” he told his supporters at the presidential palace.

Meanwhile in warehouses and industrial parks along Turkey’s southern border, there are shipping containers waiting to be unloaded. Workers unload unmarked boxes which are then loaded on to commercial trucks. The food includes wheat, rice, tinned tomatoes, sugar and oil. The medical supplies are basic items that do not require cold storage such as bandages and basic drugs.

The trucks are then driven across the border to areas precariously held by Syrian opposition forces and Islamist groups including Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qa’ida’s official branch in Syria, which is also fighting against Isis.

Isis, reinforced by US military supplies taken from defeated Iraqi forces, has renewed its assaults against Syrian non-government forces including Kurds and Western-backed groups such as the Free Syrian Army.

Although Isis is officially fighting Jabhat al-Nusra, the Islamic Front and the Free Syrian Army, humanitarian aid and commercial goods are more often than not allowed to cross the “border” to Isis areas.

The aid is then distributed and monitored by civilian Syrian relief committees, many of which were in place before Isis took over, according to aid workers who operate out of Turkey’s southern city of Gaziantep.

Aid workers say Isis, which has kidnapped Western journalists and workers in the past, lets them work mostly without interference. “They’re happy to let us work on the large part without preconditions,” said one Western aid worker.

Isis is designated a terrorist group by the United State which also offers a reward of $10m (£5.8m) for information leading to the capture of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who declared himself caliph in imitation of the companions of Mohamed who set up a caliphate in the Middle East and North Africa in the seventh century.

In addition to international aid, Isis-controlled areas of Raqqa and Deir Ezzour are very fertile and produce a vast amount of the region’s wheat. Deir Ezzour also has some of the biggest oilfields in Syria.

Isis is also luring doctors and nurses with large salaries in return for their loyalty, a Syrian doctor working for a Norwegian medical NGO in Raqqa said.

“They are buying people one by one – they are offering doctors up to 100,000 Syrian pounds a month (£390), which is a fortune there now.

“At the beginning they would take any aid they didn’t have to pay for, but since they announced the establishment of the caliphate, they are running their own services so that it can become more like a state.”

How the West bankrolls Isis: Millions from governments and NGOs funding radical Islamic terror group - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk


lol

Weird that your arch enemy is being funded by western tax dollars

Weird indeed. Does that mean IS are the good guys?

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Originally Posted by leemo

al Baghdadi has since marketed IS as a Caliphate,

The original Caliphate was ruled by a muslim but had jews, christians and muslims living side by side. no ?

The original Caliphate was ruled by Abu Bakr, Mohamed's father-in-law and dad to Mohamed's 9-yr-old bride Aisha.

Must answer yes to your wording on the rest, but if you mean living side side as equals then obviously not.

People of the Book (mainly Jews and Christians) living under Islamic rule do so under the Pact of Umar, as dhimmis, or second class citizens. The Pact of Umar obviously wasn't drawn up in Mohamed's lifetime, but it was inspired as a compromise to his fanatical hatred of all non-Muslims, warfare against them, but also his counsel that Muslims should not kill all non-Muslims because then there would be nobody to ponce off.

According to Yahoo article posted in the OP, there are perhaps only 200 Christians left in the city of Mosul. Perhaps they will be happy to pay the tax. Does anybody know how much the tax is?

It is hard to believe in this enlightened age that there are millions of people who worship false gods, gods who are not real, and they fight over it.
And die for a false teaching.

Originally Posted by Neverna

According to Yahoo article posted in the OP, there are perhaps only 200 Christians left in the city of Mosul. Perhaps they will be happy to pay the tax. Does anybody know how much the tax is?

Sufi teacher, Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi: "The honor of Islam lies in insulting the unbelief and the unbelievers (kafirs). One who respects kafirs dishonors Muslims. The real purpose of levying the Jizya on them is to humiliate them, and they remain terrified and trembling."

Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery: M. A. Khan: 9781440118470: Amazon.com: Books


The jizya is just one part of the Dhimma, which offers protection to Jews and Christians (dhimmis) living under Muslim rule, subject to limitations and restrictions, for safety of their property and 'religious freedom'.

The Dhimma started off as an offering by the Christians of Syria when they surrendered, to avoid the expected massacre. Umar accepted after adding some conditions, and it evolved into what is known as the Pact of Umar to cover all Jews and Christian living under Muslim rule.

There are several versions of the Dhimma that agree in most part.

The Christians agreed:

We shall not build, in our cities or in their neighborhood, new monasteries, Churches, convents, or monks' cells, nor shall we repair, by day or by night, such of them as fall in ruins or are situated in the quarters of the Muslims.

We shall keep our gates wide open for passersby and travelers. We shall give board and lodging to all Muslims who pass our way for three days.

We shall not give shelter in our churches or in our dwellings to any spy, nor bide him from the Muslims.

We shall not teach the Koran to our children.

We shall not manifest our religion publicly nor convert anyone to it. We shall not prevent any of our kin from entering Islam if they wish it.

We shall show respect toward the Muslims, and we shall rise from our seats when they wish to sit.

We shall not seek to resemble the Muslims by imitating any of their garments, the qalansuwa, the turban, footwear, or the parting of the hair. We shall not speak as they do, nor shall we adopt their kunyas.

We shall not mount on saddles, nor shall we gird swords nor bear any kind of arms nor carry them on our persons.

We shall not engrave Arabic inscriptions on our seals.

We shall not sell fermented drinks.

We shall clip the fronts of our heads.

We shall always dress in the same way wherever we may be, and we shall bind the zunar round our waists.

We shall not display our crosses or our books in the roads or markets of the Muslims. We shall use only clappers in our churches very softly. We shall not raise our voices when following our dead. We shall not show lights on any of the roads of the Muslims or in their markets. We shall not bury our dead near the Muslims.

We shall not take slaves who have been allotted to Muslims.

We shall not build houses over topping the houses of the Muslims.

We shall not strike or threaten to strike at a Muslim.

If we in any way violate these undertakings for which we ourselves stand surety, we forfeit our covenant (dhimma), and we become liable to the penalties for sedition.


Dhimmis are also subject to discrimination by Sharia courts; having rejected Islam they are not permitted to enjoy the protection of Islamic law. In other words, a Muslim's claim against a dhimmi is powerful once it reaches a Sharia court, because the testimony of one who rejects Allah cannot be relied upon.

In Raqqa, an All-Female ISIS Brigade Cracks Down on Local Women

Their mandate? To apprehend civilian women who do not follow the organization's strict brand of Sharia law.

Shortly after the Sunni militant group the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) retook control of Raqqa earlier this year, it created the al-Khansaa' Brigade, an all-female unit operating in the city. Its purpose is to apprehend civilian women in Raqqa who do not follow the organization's strict brand of Sharia law, including a mandate that all women be fully covered in public and that they be accompanied by a male chaperone.

"We have established the brigade to raise awareness of our religion among women, and to punish women who do not abide by the law," says Abu Ahmad, an ISIS official in Raqqa. "There are only women in this brigade, and we have given them their own facilities to prevent the mixture of men and women."

He says the organization, which has been pushing further into eastern Syria after taking control of the Iraqi city of Mosul and key points on the Iraq-Syria border last month, needs a female brigade to "raise awareness among women, and arrest and punish women who do not follow the religion correctly. Jihad is not a man-only duty. Women must do their part as well."

...

"I was walking down the street when a car suddenly stopped and a group of armed women got out," she says. "They insulted me and yelled at me. They took me to one of their centers and kept me locked in a room. Nobody talked to me or told me the reason for my detention. One of the women in the brigade came over, pointing her firearm at me. She then tested my knowledge of prayer, fasting and hijab."

The fighter told Zainab she had been arrested because she had been walking alone, without an escort, and because her hijab was not worn properly. "You should be punished for taking your religion lightly," she told Zainab, before threatening harsher punishment should she be arrested again.

Read on: Syria News | Syria Deeply, Covering the Crisis

Perhaps one of more pious Muslims could explain how it is tolerated that members of the all female al-Khansaa' Brigade walk the streets without male chaperones.

Nemo?- go on, share it, you're so knowledgeable and persuasive.

Originally Posted by wasabi

It is hard to believe in this enlightened age that there are millions of people who worship false gods, gods who are not real, and they fight over it.
And die for a false teaching.

Originally Posted by leemo

She then tested my knowledge of prayer, fasting and hijab."

humans have bastardised words such as 'Love, Religion, Meditation to something that is 2nd hand and ugly. Where belief becomes a disease that make people fools and madmen proving their God to be the true God.
The only peace is in ure head and not outside catering for org.religio mafia's.
It's all an insult to human Intelligence.

It is a controlling mechanism that needs another name.

Originally Posted by Neverna

According to Yahoo article posted in the OP, there are perhaps only 200 Christians left in the city of Mosul. Perhaps they will be happy to pay the tax. Does anybody know how much the tax is?

According to an article in Time magazine (Feb. 28, 2014).

Al-Qaeda rebels in Syria extort Christians | TIME.com

The terms are simple: twice a year wealthy Christians must pay the equivalent of half an ounce of gold — about $664 by today's market value. Middle-class Christians have to come up with half that sum, and poor Christians can get away with paying a quarter, or about $166.

ISIS members said that some 20 Christian leaders had already agreed to the terms.







.

Originally Posted by wasabi

It is hard to believe in this enlightened age that there are millions of people who worship false gods, gods who are not real, and they fight over it.
And die for a false teaching.

Fortunately the "millions" (doubtful but perhaps) represent a small minority of the billions professing a particular religion.
This small minority does make for catchy headlines for the media. Good for business ya know.

Isn't it quite amazing though that ISIS have basically come from nowhere, very quickly, immensely well armed with a huge war chest of cash, massive amount of personnel over various countries, immaculately organised, and are literally walking into cities and towns all over the middle east at will, more or less.

So you have this huge Sunni Muslim fighting machine, cantering across the Middle East, heading directly for what one can only assume is their real target, Iran, and it's by and large Shia population. Sunni v Shia - one of the many divide and conquer routines that has been conjured up to keep us all amused and not paying attention.

Notice how all this happens as well just as the US in the last year is dropping their hard rhetoric against Iran even saying they should join up with the US in fighting Isis, which in Iraq they already are.

Well, surely all the US and the owners of the world are doing is simply drawing Iran into a massive conflict with ISIS, which of course the US etc will not partake in.

Isis, in its very name, is committed to take over Iraq, Syria, and the Levant, bringing it together as one big empire almost, which comprises of Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan ....... and Israel. An extreme Muslim group is pushing towards Israel basically, and you would think that Netanyahu would be screaming from the roof tops "Stop them... they are coming for us..." and yet he is not. He is saying "let the Sunnis and the Shia fight it out". Almost the same as the US are saying (even though the cat is well out of the bag in regards to US funding of ISIS).


So when ISIS sweep through Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Iran... they then start knocking on Israels door which of course means then the US, the EU, the UN even who have all vowed to protect Israel, at which time.....

WW3.


Well nearly. Because the is US doing exactly what they did before WW2 - funding and organizing BOTH sides in the run up, except this time they are going for the big showdown - they are dragging Russia and China to the war....on the opposing side though. This is it - the big show down.

My bet..... Ukraine with huge help from the US will try to reclaim Crimea, at which point Russia will move in to protect their people. US will move in to protect Ukraine, and Russia is drawn into a war against the US, the EU and the UN.

Jump to Japan when the US is stirring that pot against China. Perhaps a few Chinese navy ships blown out of the water, or maybe even an attack on a Japanese row boat (or what ever the Jap navy has these days) - a false flag to commit both sides to war. Same will happen. China will be pulled into a war.

Will they get the timing right to get their world war against an axis of china and russia, against the US, EU and UN? At what point will Israel release their stored capital in their nuke bunkers and rain them all over the middle east which of course will hit Saudi as well, having be outed by Washington as ISIS backers (even though we all know that already). Will the owners of the world finally get what they want - world domination with no governments, no voting, no nothing because we are all dumb enough to ask for it "Ohhh help us, no more world wars and nuclear bombs. Get rid of countries so countries can not fight".....says the 500,000,000 people still alive on the planet.

All because the people of the west are completely ignoring what is going on, and especially the people in the US are letting the powers that be get away with backing ISIS. Time to man up, Merkins, and stop this rot. We're all likely to be too old to have to fight (we'll just be the ones dying in our houses) when they force people to join an army and get killed, but our children will not be. Grand kids will not be as they are blown apart for Freedom and Democracy.

Israel is happy to see them fighting each other because it weakens them. Recently, Israel even suggested the break up of Iraq.

Originally Posted by leemo

Weird indeed. Does that mean IS are the good guys?

No, unfortunately for you, it means you're the bad guy.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Time to man up, Merkins, and stop this rot.

Thank goodness you are only calling the Americans to do something. They will fail spectacularly. If you were calling up the 300 there would be trouble ahead.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Isn't it quite amazing though that ISIS have basically come from nowhere, very quickly, immensely well armed with a huge war chest of cash, massive amount of personnel over various countries, immaculately organised, and are literally walking into cities and towns all over the middle east at will, more or less.

So you have this huge Sunni Muslim fighting machine, cantering across the Middle East, heading directly for what one can only assume is their real target, Iran, and it's by and large Shia population. Sunni v Shia - one of the many divide and conquer routines that has been conjured up to keep us all amused and not paying attention.

Notice how all this happens as well just as the US in the last year is dropping their hard rhetoric against Iran even saying they should join up with the US in fighting Isis, which in Iraq they already are.

Well, surely all the US and the owners of the world are doing is simply drawing Iran into a massive conflict with ISIS, which of course the US etc will not partake in.

Isis, in its very name, is committed to take over Iraq, Syria, and the Levant, bringing it together as one big empire almost, which comprises of Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan ....... and Israel. An extreme Muslim group is pushing towards Israel basically, and you would think that Netanyahu would be screaming from the roof tops "Stop them... they are coming for us..." and yet he is not. He is saying "let the Sunnis and the Shia fight it out". Almost the same as the US are saying (even though the cat is well out of the bag in regards to US funding of ISIS).


So when ISIS sweep through Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Iran... they then start knocking on Israels door which of course means then the US, the EU, the UN even who have all vowed to protect Israel, at which time.....

WW3.


Well nearly. Because the is US doing exactly what they did before WW2 - funding and organizing BOTH sides in the run up, except this time they are going for the big showdown - they are dragging Russia and China to the war....on the opposing side though. This is it - the big show down.

My bet..... Ukraine with huge help from the US will try to reclaim Crimea, at which point Russia will move in to protect their people. US will move in to protect Ukraine, and Russia is drawn into a war against the US, the EU and the UN.

Jump to Japan when the US is stirring that pot against China. Perhaps a few Chinese navy ships blown out of the water, or maybe even an attack on a Japanese row boat (or what ever the Jap navy has these days) - a false flag to commit both sides to war. Same will happen. China will be pulled into a war.

Will they get the timing right to get their world war against an axis of china and russia, against the US, EU and UN? At what point will Israel release their stored capital in their nuke bunkers and rain them all over the middle east which of course will hit Saudi as well, having be outed by Washington as ISIS backers (even though we all know that already). Will the owners of the world finally get what they want - world domination with no governments, no voting, no nothing because we are all dumb enough to ask for it "Ohhh help us, no more world wars and nuclear bombs. Get rid of countries so countries can not fight".....says the 500,000,000 people still alive on the planet.

All because the people of the west are completely ignoring what is going on, and especially the people in the US are letting the powers that be get away with backing ISIS. Time to man up, Merkins, and stop this rot. We're all likely to be too old to have to fight (we'll just be the ones dying in our houses) when they force people to join an army and get killed, but our children will not be. Grand kids will not be as they are blown apart for Freedom and Democracy.

As the self imposed Caliph, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi claims that IS will follow in the footsteps of his namesake Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, who ruled for two years till he was assassinated in 634.

Brief background: Abu Bakr directed his Jihad against Muslims, not non-Muslims. Sounds perverse, but after Mohamed's death in 632, many 'Muslim' tribes and groups went off do their own thing, which in Islamic parlance means they apostatised. The only way for Abu Bakr to perpetuate the faith was to ensure it had power in numbers, to do what they've been doing more or less ever since in the cause of Allah. And so he focused on Jihad against the apostates, seeking them out to give the choice of returning to Islam or death. Nobody knows how many tens of thousands were beheaded, burned and butchered, but the message got through, his strategy worked, and droves of former Muslims returned for Allah's work.

The real Jihad, against infidels with Jews topping the list, was kicked off by Abu Bakr's successor, Omar.


It was recently asked on an IS website why IS is shedding blood in Iraq and Syria, instead of waging Jihad against Israel and the Jews, in line with Koranic imperatives.

al-Baghdadi responded with words to the effect that the greatest enemy of Islam are the apostates and the hypocrites, because these are closest to Islam which means they can subvert it from within. He also justified this by referring to the Koran, where Allah commands Muslims to destroy the Jews, but not until we fight the apostates, hypocrites, and Muslims that are not devoted to the cause. In other words, al-Baghdadi intends to follow Abu Bakr's example, to consolidate his own power and authority as the Caliph, and bring in large numbers of followers before addressing the Jews.

As usual, this leads to all sorts of complex issues which are generally resolved by shedding blood.

Sorry, breakfast calls.

Now a conspiracy theorist, who subscribed to the Illuminati theory of world domination would not in the slightest be surprised that they are called Isis, being that they are clearly funded and most likely created by the owners of the world, and their long established link with the goddess Isis which increasingly appears on their media slags.

^cool tattoo

I agree let them break up Iraq and have a Caliphate. They will be busy murdering each other.

Even Saladin went out of his way to fight more than 50 battles against the Shia in Egypt and Syria before turning to Jerusalem. When somebody asked him why, he replied, “I will not fight the Crusaders while my back is exposed to the Shia.”

That was used by al-Baghdadi to support his assertion that, "Jerusalem will not be liberated until we are done with all these tyrants, families, and pawns of colonialism that control the fate of the Islamic world.”

It seems he is more interested in cleansing Islam than purging the Jews; they can wait. But as he progresses on that course he will find plenty of spare resources in the form of dedicated self financing individuals and groups that he can task with Jihad against Israel and Jewish targets worldwide.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

They will be busy murdering each other.

Indeed. They will not murder them all though. You will continue to have one very strong section attacking the western world that attacks them so regularly, and a weaker more terrorism inclined side attacking the western world.

Violence begets violence.
Death begets death.

The problem over the last couple of decades is that people are believing that it will only return the violence and death to arabs. Alas, historical evidence shows us other wise. The leaders of the western world care about as much about civilians in our western countries as the extremists of Hamas care about their civilians. They don't. we are fodder. We are purchasers of their goods and services. We are the people who make and deliver this. However, we are not worth anything else and are expendable as we result.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

They will be busy murdering each other.

Indeed. They will not murder them all though. You will continue to have one very strong section attacking the western world that attacks them so regularly, and a weaker more terrorism inclined side attacking the western world.

Violence begets violence.
Death begets death.

The problem over the last couple of decades is that people are believing that it will only return the violence and death to arabs. Alas, historical evidence shows us other wise. The leaders of the western world care about as much about civilians in our western countries as the extremists of Hamas care about their civilians. They don't. we are fodder. We are purchasers of their goods and services. We are the people who make and deliver this. However, we are not worth anything else and are expendable as we result.

I hope you don't believe half the crap you write. If you do, you must be a very miserable person. Quite sad really.

Originally Posted by JetsetBkk

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

They will be busy murdering each other.

Indeed. They will not murder them all though. You will continue to have one very strong section attacking the western world that attacks them so regularly, and a weaker more terrorism inclined side attacking the western world.

Violence begets violence.
Death begets death.

The problem over the last couple of decades is that people are believing that it will only return the violence and death to arabs. Alas, historical evidence shows us other wise. The leaders of the western world care about as much about civilians in our western countries as the extremists of Hamas care about their civilians. They don't. we are fodder. We are purchasers of their goods and services. We are the people who make and deliver this. However, we are not worth anything else and are expendable as we result.

I hope you don't believe half the crap you write. If you do, you must be a very miserable person. Quite sad really.

Which part?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

we are fodder. We are purchasers of their goods and services. We are the people who make and deliver this.

Originally Posted by JetsetBkk

If you do, you must be a very miserable person

Not if you have seen the light and plan and live, accordingly.