ILLegal Immigration & America's Future

**barbaro** · 22-05-2007, 07:05 PM

Path to national suicide
Posted: May 22, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

"At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? "I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."

So said Abe Lincoln to the Young Men's Lyceum in Springfield. Observing the Senate last week, and looking over the latest figures from the Census Bureau, America is now risking national suicide.

Last week, senators meeting in secret produced a bill to legalize our 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens. If a path to citizenship becomes law, nothing will stop the next invasion. As President Bush acknowledges, 6 million tried to breach our southern border in his first five years. One in 12 – 500,000 – had a criminal record.

ccording to the Census Bureau, from mid-2005 to mid-2006, the U.S. minority population rose 2.4 million, to exceed 100 million. Hispanics, 1 percent of the population in 1950, are now 14.4 percent. Their total number has soared 25 percent since 2000 alone. The Asian population has also grown by 25 percent since 2000.
The number of white kids of school age fell 4 percent, however. Half the children 5 and younger in the United States are now minorities.

What is happening to us? An immigrant invasion of the United States from the Third World, as America's white majority is no longer even reproducing itself. Since Roe v. Wade, America has aborted 45 million of her children. And Asia, Africa and Latin America have sent 45 million of their children to inherit the estate the aborted American children never saw. God is not mocked.
And white America is in flight.

In the 1990s, for the first time since the Spanish came, whites left California. Two million departed. From July 1, 2005, to July 1, 2006, 100,000 more packed up and headed back whence their fathers came. The "Anglo" population of the Golden State is down to 43 percent and falling fast. White folks are now a minority in Texas and New Mexico. In Arizona, Hispanics account for over half the population under 20.

The future is not in doubt. Why ought this be of concern?
First, while the black and Hispanic population combined is now 85 million – five times what it was in 1960 – half of all black and Hispanic kids drop out of high school. And the average math and reading scores of the half who graduate are at seventh-, eighth- or ninth-grade levels.

And the future is not so sanguine as it seemed 50 years ago. As I write in "State of Emergency":
"In 1960, 18 million black Americans, 10 percent of the nation, were not fully integrated into society, but they had been assimilated into our culture. They worshiped the same God, spoke the same language, had endured the same Depression and war, watched the same TV shows on the same four channels, laughed at the same comedians, went to the same movies, ate the same foods, read the same newspapers and went to schools where, even when segregated, we learned the same history and literature and shared the same holidays: Christmas, New Year's, Washington's Birthday, Easter, Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Columbus Day.Segregation existed, but black folks were as American as apple pie, having lived in this land longer than almost every other group save the Native Americans. "That cultural unity, that sense that we were one people, is gone."

Today's immigrants exceed in number anything any nation has ever known. They now come from cultures and countries whose people have never before been assimilated by any First World country. Not only is the Melting Pot broken, it is rejected by our elites. Minorities are urged to hold onto their own language, customs, traditions. Identity politics is in. And the largest cohort, Mexicans, comes from a country with a historic grievance and a claim on the territory they are entering.

Moreover, since the cultural revolution of the 1960s, we have been fighting one another over issues of race and ethnicity, history, heroes and holidays, morality and religion, right and wrong.

All over the Western world, multiethnic, multicultural countries are coming apart over language, ethnicity, history. The Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, Yugoslavia into half a dozen. Czechs and Slovaks divorced. Scots want separation from England. Catalans and Basques seek independence. Corsicans and Bretons want out of France. Northern Italians want to secede. Only immigrants who prefer Ottawa prevent Quebecois from breaking free of Canada.

As we see from the election battles in Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador and Mexico, race and ethnicity are not receding as issues, but rising. In South Central Los Angeles, black and Hispanic gangs are at war over race and turf.
Addressing the Knights of Columbus in 1915, Theodore Roosevelt warned, "The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities."

In every way possible, Americans have said they do not want to take this risk with their country. Why, then, are our elites taking it?

Link: WorldNetDaily: Path to national suicide

Thoughts and opinions on this article and the current Legislative Bill that has been postponed until June.

*Please don't derail topic.

**Boon Mee** · 22-05-2007, 07:47 PM

Well, this farang is leaving...

**kerux** · 23-05-2007, 05:02 AM

Why another US immigration thread?

**barbaro** · 23-05-2007, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

Why another US immigration thread?

This is about the coming Bill in June.

And it's about ILLegal immigration, not legal immigration.

When Zionism came into the picture, I decided to start a thread on ILLegal immigration.

Two very different concepts, although there is some relation to one another.

**Wallace** · 23-05-2007, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

The Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, Yugoslavia into half a dozen. Czechs and Slovaks divorced. Scots want separation from England. Catalans and Basques seek independence. Corsicans and Bretons want out of France. Northern Italians want to secede.

This quote fails to take account of history. Most of these places WERE independent. It's only recently that they've been incorporated into bigger entities, either under duress through the use of force, or through political expedience following major conflicts.

The writer says they're coming apart - I disagree, they're just regaining their identity and their independence.

**barbaro** · 15-08-2007, 07:58 AM

He's putting some spin on these comments, but I tend to agree. The ILLegal immigrant problem is much bigger that America's oil escapades in Iraq. One illegal and criminal below was deported - but never left.

Gingrich 'sickened' with Bush, Congress

By EUNICE MOSCOSO
Cox News Service
Published on: 08/14/07

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Tuesday he is "sickened" that President Bush and Congress went on vacation "while young Americans in our cities are massacred" by illegal immigrants.
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Newt Gingrich
Gingrich, who is considering a run for the White House, was referring to a recent crime in Newark, N.J., where three college students were murdered execution style in a school playground.
One of the suspects -- Jose Lachira Carranza -- is an illegal immigrant from Peru who was on bail on charges of raping a child when the murders occurred.

Gingrich said another suspect is an illegal immigrant from Nicaragua with a long record of arrests who was ordered deported in 1993 but never left.
However, The (Newark) Star Ledger reported Tuesday that the man -- Rodolfo Godinez -- obtained permanent legal residency in 2001.

The Newark Police Department did not return requests for comment.
Gingrich said that the "war here at home" against illegal immigrants is "even more deadly than the war in Iraq and Afghanistan."

"The federal government's incompetence, timidity and uncoordinated efforts to identify and deport criminal illegal aliens have had devastating consequences for innocent Americans," Gingrich said, in a newsletter.
Gingrich said that the "war here at home" against illegal immigrants is "even more deadly than the war in Iraq and Afghanistan."

"As an American, I am sickened that the political leadership of America could continue to go on vacation and do nothing," he said. "Why are the August vacations for the president and the Congress more precious than the lives of young Americans who are being killed because of government incompetence and inaction."

Link: Gingrich 'sickened' with Bush, Congress | ajc.com

**Butterfly** · 15-08-2007, 02:33 PM

It sounds like the "war on terror" is no longer working and was completely destroyed with Iraq little adventure. Time to find a new scapegoat, like immigrants.

**barbaro** · 15-08-2007, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

It sounds like the "war on terror" is no longer working and was completely destroyed with Iraq little adventure. Time to find a new scapegoat, like immigrants.

Illegals, sir.

Illegals.

**Butterfly** · 15-08-2007, 03:26 PM

the way your system is structured already, most immigrants will be illegal anyway, so like I said, an easy target.

Sarko is doing the same here, taking the political agenda of right wing facist Lepen and everybody is on the band wagon, even a few socialists

**AntRobertson** · 15-08-2007, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

It sounds like the "war on terror" is no longer working and was completely destroyed with Iraq little adventure. Time to find a new scapegoat, like immigrants.

People tend to be a lot more open to suggestion (maleable) when they are told there is something/someone out there to fear. Be it Communists under your bed, Muslims with bombs on every street corner, or illegal immigrants taking your jobs.

**barbaro** · 15-08-2007, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

the way your system is structured already, most immigrants will be illegal anyway, so like I said, an easy target.

Sarko is doing the same here, taking the political agenda of right wing facist Lepen and everybody is on the band wagon, even a few socialists

That was the problem with most of the last bill.

The U.S. government was going to give who knows how many illegals amnesty, while pledging to guard the border.

They did this in the 60s, and then the 80s, and now tried it.

The Illegal problem is definitely not about scapegoating today in 2007.

There are a tons of financial issues, laws, regulations, involved.

I don't think it's the illegals' fault, it's the fault of the U.S. government.

**Gerontion** · 15-08-2007, 05:34 PM

Nice to see that illegal immigration in America is finally being sorted out. I take it then that the greater part of the US is now planning on returning to the peasant hovels of Europe from which it came.

**sabang** · 15-08-2007, 08:14 PM

I have always maintained that the biggest problems facing the US are social problems.

You should cease your military adventurism, that benefits the perpetrators even when you lose, and take a good hard look at Home.

It is more than just II (officially illegal but in practise condoned). It is ghetto mentality, lack of education, a law enforcement system hamstrung by the system, massive and unwarranted wealth disparities, drug culture as a happiness resort to many people. Many things. But you are not alone.

I am not a marxist, but when you read Karl Marx writings on alienation, and the direction of the Capitalist system (massive, increasing wealth disparity, exploitation, alienation and unhapiness) afresh, you might realise the brilliant social philosopher he was, rather than blaming him for the Communist system as it evolved.

**Butterfly** · 16-08-2007, 04:37 PM

^ right on, Sabang, too bad I can't give you greens

**Gerontion** · 16-08-2007, 07:57 PM

I was going to put this in the quotations thread, but perhaps it's more suitable here.

"The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionizing the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society...Constant revolutionizing of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones...All that is solid melts in air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life and his relations with his kind."

**barbaro** · 21-08-2007, 09:41 AM

A just decision. And she had an "Anchor baby."

Immigration Activist Arrested Outside L.A. Church

(AP) LOS ANGELES An illegal immigrant who stayed in a Chicago church for a year to avoid separation from her 8-year-old son, a U.S. citizen, was arrested Sunday and being processed for deportation.

Elvira Arellano, who arrived in Los Angeles on Saturday after leaving her sanctuary to campaign for immigration reform, was arrested around 1:30 p.m. outside Our Lady Queen of Angels Catholic Church where she had been speaking to reporters, said the Rev. Walter Coleman, pastor of Adalberto United Methodist, the Chicago church.

Arellano was "being processed for removal to Mexico based upon a deportation order originally issued by a federal immigration judge in 1997," U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a news release.

Entire: cbs2.com - Immigration Activist Arrested Outside L.A. Church

**Frankenstein** · 21-08-2007, 09:34 PM

I seem to recall having read research which showed illegal immigrats, looked at in purely economic terms, actually is a positive contribution to the economy. Will see if I can dig it up.

**barbaro** · 21-08-2007, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Frankenstein

I seem to recall having read research which showed illegal immigrats, looked at in purely economic terms, actually is a positive contribution to the economy. Will see if I can dig it up.

Cute.

you'll see if you can "dig it up."

All of these studies are "politicized."

I've seen illegals first hand.

Two hospitals closed in my parents hometown. My parents have paid taxes all of their lives, for over 40+ years.

Yes, there are economic benefits - for corporations, and Real Estate.

The U.S. government and corporations actually like them.

The public pays for a small, few.

And....go "dig it up."

**Frankenstein** · 22-08-2007, 03:22 PM

It's a bit scary to see your vitriol based on absolutely nothing except the mere mention of a study that might contradict your point of view, as well as your immediate attempt to discount it, despite the fact that I have not yet posted any such study.

I was not saying the studies were correct, nor did I claim they were not biased. Few studies of societal affairs are unbiased as we are all human, researchers just as much as you and me.

Honest now, are you interested in a debate or would you rather just make sarcastic quips at anyone who dares question your premises?

**Lily** · 22-08-2007, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Two hospitals closed in my parents hometown. My parents have paid taxes all of their lives, for over 40+ years.

What has that got to do with illegal immigration?

**AntRobertson** · 22-08-2007, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

A just decision. And she had an "Anchor baby."

Immigration Activist Arrested Outside L.A. Church

(AP) LOS ANGELES An illegal immigrant who stayed in a Chicago church for a year to avoid separation from her 8-year-old son, a U.S. citizen, was arrested Sunday and being processed for deportation.

Elvira Arellano, who arrived in Los Angeles on Saturday after leaving her sanctuary to campaign for immigration reform, was arrested around 1:30 p.m. outside Our Lady Queen of Angels Catholic Church where she had been speaking to reporters, said the Rev. Walter Coleman, pastor of Adalberto United Methodist, the Chicago church.

Arellano was "being processed for removal to Mexico based upon a deportation order originally issued by a federal immigration judge in 1997," U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a news release.

Entire: cbs2.com - Immigration Activist Arrested Outside L.A. Church

How, from any of that, do you infer an "anchor baby"?

**barbaro** · 22-08-2007, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by Milkman

Two hospitals closed in my parents hometown. My parents have paid taxes all of their lives, for over 40+ years.

What has that got to do with illegal immigration?

Draining the local treasury and causing shut-downs.

You're an Australian.

You have know idea what this is about.

**barbaro** · 22-08-2007, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

How, from any of that, do you infer an "anchor baby"?

An illegal has a child in the U.S. = Anchor baby.

It's that simple.

**AntRobertson** · 22-08-2007, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

An illegal has a child in the U.S. = Anchor baby.

It's that simple.

Only if you make it. "Anchor baby" has a negative connotation - and not a hard one to work out either given the tone of your prior posts.

So you're inferring that this woman had a child in the US purely for the purpose of advancing her cause to remain there.

Quite the leap to make unless you: a) know her personally; b) are aware of information pertaining to her above and beyond what you've posted and claimed as conclusive evidence.

**barbaro** · 22-08-2007, 09:03 PM

^ you're asking me to prove it.

And I'll ask you to disprove it.

Anchor babies are so common in California they've drained the treasury there, too. Year, after year.

Solution: no citizenship.

Giving citizenship to an illegal born in the U.S. is ridiculous.

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