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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    Putin dominated and made him his tiny-handed little bitch:
    Actually, I think The donald was thrilled to meet the Man. They should go horse riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    Putin dominated and made him his tiny-handed little bitch:
    Actually, I think The donald was thrilled to meet the Man. They should go horse riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    They should go horse riding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    am not going to read 100 pages, but IMO Putin is brilliant and i love listening to him speak at his 2-3 hour news conferences as he answers questions directly and without much effort can cover 10-20 issues thoroughly in a 5-10 minute answer.

    he has high approval ratings in russia, so who is the west to say we don't like him.

    thread title: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

    not dangerous at all.

    and, if hillary had won, her admin wouldn't have talked much at all about russian interference in the election, IMO.

    obama didn't seem to mind much that putin helped assad prevent ISIS from getting too close to damascus (which would have been a disaster).

    so, thanks to putin for that.

    :clap:
    Spot-on.

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    ^ HAHHAAAA!

    The clown car!!

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    I believe Putin is seen as a strong leader by fellow Ruskies. Comrades have a certain respect for strength in leadership.

    He certainly isn't any more dangerous than Stalin was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeeCoffee View Post
    I believe Putin is seen as a strong leader by fellow Ruskies. Comrades have a certain respect for strength in leadership.

    He certainly isn't any more dangerous than Stalin was.
    He certainly doesn't have Stalin's death count, but that doesn't mean he isn't dangerous.

    Ask The Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    He certainly doesn't have Stalin's death count, but that doesn't mean he isn't dangerous.

    Ask The Ukraine.
    Do you mean that he started the Majdan revolution? What cost the Obama's woman Nuland $5B and much more later?

    Why don't you read other sources that the ones who speak out under oath, nothing but truth ()? Then you can use your brain to consider what is the truth?

    Or you can ask like the old fool John Simpson 2 years ago:

    JOHN SIMPSON, BBC: Western countries almost universally now believe that there’s a new Cold War and that you, frankly, have decided to create that. We see, almost daily, Russian aircraft taking sometimes quite dangerous manoeuvres towards western airspace. That must be done on your orders; you’re the Commander-in-Chief. It must have been your orders that sent Russian troops into the territory of a sovereign country – Crimea first, and then whatever it is that’s going on in Eastern Ukraine. Now you’ve got a big problem with the currency of Russia, and you’re going to need help and support and understanding from outside countries, particularly from the West. So can I say to you, can I ask you now, would you care to take this opportunity to say to people from the West that you have no desire to carry on with the new Cold War, and that you will do whatever you can to sort out the problems in Ukraine? Thank you!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    He certainly doesn't have Stalin's death count, but that doesn't mean he isn't dangerous.

    Ask The Ukraine.
    Do you mean that he started the Majdan revolution? What cost the Obama's woman Nuland $5B and much more later?

    Why don't you read other sources that the ones who speak out under oath, nothing but truth ()? Then you can use your brain to consider what is the truth?

    Or you can ask like the old fool John Simpson 2 years ago:

    JOHN SIMPSON, BBC: Western countries almost universally now believe that there’s a new Cold War and that you, frankly, have decided to create that. We see, almost daily, Russian aircraft taking sometimes quite dangerous manoeuvres towards western airspace. That must be done on your orders; you’re the Commander-in-Chief. It must have been your orders that sent Russian troops into the territory of a sovereign country – Crimea first, and then whatever it is that’s going on in Eastern Ukraine. Now you’ve got a big problem with the currency of Russia, and you’re going to need help and support and understanding from outside countries, particularly from the West. So can I say to you, can I ask you now, would you care to take this opportunity to say to people from the West that you have no desire to carry on with the new Cold War, and that you will do whatever you can to sort out the problems in Ukraine? Thank you!

    Why is there a big edit at 1:28, at which point Putin responds to a US journalist and not Simpson?

    Why you are so fucking gullible? "We are not attacking anyone in the political sense. We are not invading anyone"? How the fuck is that bullshit supposed to be "crushing" anyone?

    And what on earth are your first two sentences supposed to mean?

    Are you trying to use Putin's diversion from the actual question to try and avoid the truth yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Why is there a big edit at 1:28,
    Come on now, Yutub Fake, the next thing you'll say is Price Phillip is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Why is there a big edit at 1:28,
    Come on now, Yutub Fake, the next thing you'll say is Price Phillip is dead.
    Who is "Price Phillip"?

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    Very exceptional in the world history:

    Soviet Army withdrawals from Eastern Europe after the Fall of Berlin Wall, withdrawal also from Afghanistan, granting independence to many former Soviet republics, withdraw its army from there.

    Cannot recall any similar withdrawal (or grant) actions by US Army (exception the "withdrawal" from Vietnam).

    Now, the non-withdrawn armies from Europe - supported by friendly (formerly unfriendly) mini-armies from the "independent" Eastern countries move to the Russian gates and flexes their invincibility.

    So, how dangerous is Mr. Putin, anyway?

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    Dont forget the expansionist policies of the EU taking in the countries given independence from the Soviet Union by Russia, from the start in 1952


    To the new members it is looking to gobble up.



    Then there are the nukes lined up along Russia's border.

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    Yeah but Russia invaded Crimea eh harry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post
    Dont forget the expansionist policies of the EU taking in the countries given independence from the Soviet Union by Russia, from the start in 1952


    To the new members it is looking to gobble up.



    Then there are the nukes lined up along Russia's border.
    Are you seriously trying to claim that them joining the EU is the same as the EU invading them against their wills?

    Get a grip man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Yeah but Russia invaded Crimea eh harry...
    Yes it did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding
    Dont forget the expansionist policies of the EU taking in the countries given independence from the Soviet Union by Russia, from the start in 1952
    huh?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred flintstone View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by birding
    Dont forget the expansionist policies of the EU taking in the countries given independence from the Soviet Union by Russia, from the start in 1952
    huh?...
    Fuck knows what he's been reading, but I think we can safely say that it wasn't joined up writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post
    Dont forget the expansionist policies of the EU taking in the countries given independence from the Soviet Union by Russia, from the start in 1952


    To the new members it is looking to gobble up.



    Then there are the nukes lined up along Russia's border.
    Are you seriously trying to claim that them joining the EU is the same as the EU invading them against their wills?

    Get a grip man.
    Who has Russia invaded against their will Harry ?

    You will probably say Crimea but thats not true there was a referendum and well Russia won.

    And the Ukraine, well thats not true either for a non bias look at what went on there:

    Ukraine: Lies, propaganda and the West's agenda - Al Jazeera English

    Once you have answered that tell us who has the US with the assistance of EU countries invaded against their will since WW2.

    You see Harry the EU is tied in to NATO and a promise was made back 1990 that NATO and therefor the EU would not expand east, that promise was broken.

    This from the LA Times :

    In early February 1990, U.S. leaders made the Soviets an offer. According to transcripts of meetings in Moscow on Feb. 9, then-Secretary of State James Baker suggested that in exchange for cooperation on Germany, U.S. could make “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward.” Less than a week later, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev agreed to begin reunification talks. No formal deal was struck, but from all the evidence, the quid pro quo was clear: Gorbachev acceded to Germany’s western alignment and the U.S. would limit NATO’s expansion.
    Russia's got a point: The U.S. broke a NATO promise - LA Times

    The US lied Harry they broke their promise and they are still expanding NATO and even threatening Russia with nukes in Europe, warplane flights and warships close to Russian territory.

    You have probably heard of a thing called the "Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty" could you tell us how the US putting nukes in Europe complies with their obligations under that treaty.

    You could also tell us which other countries Russia has put nukes into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding
    The US lied Harry they broke their promise and they are still expanding NATO and even threatening Russia with nukes in Europe, warplane flights and warships close to Russian territory.

    You have probably heard of a thing called the "Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty" could you tell us how the US putting nukes in Europe complies with their obligations under that treaty.

    You could also tell us which other countries Russia has put nukes into.
    [at] [at]
    Actually, all this is clearly explained by Putin in his Interviews with Oliver Stone. Who does not want to believe it, cannot be helped.

    All the documents, references of these events can be found on Internet or in any other trustful sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding
    You will probably say Crimea but thats not true there was a referendum and well Russia won.
    Please give that tedious delusional bullshit a rest already.

    If they wanted to take Crimea back from Ukraine then it should have been done by negotiation and Ukraine should have had some serious compensation coming their way for ceding strategic sovereign territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by birding
    You will probably say Crimea but thats not true there was a referendum and well Russia won.
    Please give that tedious delusional bullshit a rest already.

    If they wanted to take Crimea back from Ukraine then it should have been done by negotiation and Ukraine should have had some serious compensation coming their way for ceding strategic sovereign territory.
    Unfortunately it appears birding thinks Crimea was just laying around unclaimed waiting for someone to pick it up.

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    Crimea referendum: Voters 'back Russia union'
    16 March 2014
    Some 95.5% of voters in Crimea have supported joining Russia, officials say, after half the votes have been counted in a disputed referendum.
    Crimea's leader says he will apply to join Russia on Monday. Russia's Vladimir Putin has said he will respect the Crimean people's wishes.
    Some 58% of people in Crimea are ethnic Russian, with the rest made up of Ukrainians and Tatars.
    Crimea referendum: Voters 'back Russia union' - BBC News

    Actually the "annexation", was not so smart, as:

    -Annexation of Hawaii, 1898 https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/gp/17661.htm

    or any other annexation, sorry "acquisition"

    -United States territorial acquisitions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...l_acquisitions

    (the last "acquisition" in Panama was quite smart, wasn't it?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding
    No formal deal was struck, but from all the evidence, the quid pro quo was clear: Gorbachev acceded to Germany’s western alignment and the U.S. would limit NATO’s expansion.
    Agreements without a formal deal....in other words no deal.


    . Baker pledged in Moscow on May 18, 1990, that the United States would cooperate with the Soviet Union in the “development of a new Europe.” And in June, per talking points prepared by the NSC, Bush was telling Soviet leaders that the United States sought “a new, inclusive Europe.
    Sounds like Moscow underplayed what a 'new inclusive Europe' and 'cooperate' meant to Washington. Not seeing how this justifies Putin's actions in the Crimea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke
    Crimea referendum: Voters 'back Russia union'
    Irrelevant cobblers as has already been pointed out about 113 times..

    Do you need me to type slowly for you?

    You cannot go abroad and hold an illegal unofficial referendum in a territory belonging to another nation and then claim that you are legally relieving them of their land.

    This is obvious to even a cretin.

    The history of ownership and the ethnicity of residents do not make one wit of difference.

    If Russia wanted to get Crimea back it should have been done by negotiation and with a view to offering Ukraine sizeable compensation.

    Do you think Ukraine should accept having land commandeered by a neighbour without any kind of compensation?

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