Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Poor old seppos finding it a bit hard to come to terms with that Vlad now owns them.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Oh look butters has a man crush on a dictator who murders his political enemies with umbrella spikes laced with polonium.

well at least I am not worshiping an old witch who cowardly murder children with drones strikes at 10,000 feet in the air

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Poor old seppos finding it a bit hard to come to terms with that Vlad now owns them.

wait until Trump has a threesome with him and his wife,

the Hillary liberals will be on their knees praying

Amazing that they aren't taking this more seriously.

Or have the Russians already got so much dirt on them that they are afraid to?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us...-dnc.html?_r=0

Originally Posted by Neo

nice story... but harry you like to think yourself a bit of a cyber buff, I've trawled through all these stories about the Russians hacking Shilary and it all boils down to speculation. the fact that there is a russian 'fingerprint' in some of the electronic script makes it just as likely as not that it wasn't the russians at all... and anyway wtf.. shilary is corrupt and this is the spin, its not about her its about those damn russians and you're helping to propagate the lie.

If you read the article it's more than just a few artifacts. The evidence is damning, and 17 US intelligence agencies, who presumably have information to which we are not privy, have stated that Russia was behind the hacking.

Yes, 17 intelligence agencies really did say Russia was behind hacking

If nothing else it merits the sort of attention Benghazi got, don't you think?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

who presumably have information to which we are not privy, have stated that Russia was behind the hacking.

they all copy the flawed evidence on each other, like low skills cheating students

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

17 US intelligence agencies, who presumably have information to which we are not privy, have stated that Russia was behind the hacking.

Ah, yes. The old "they presumably have information to which we are not privy" gambit. I remember that well leading up to war with Iraq's and Iraq's alleged WMDs that didn't exist. So much for British and US "intelligence" and the evidence people presumed they had - but did not.

Originally Posted by Neverna

The old "they presumably have information to which we are not privy" gambit. I remember that well leading up to war with Iraq's and Iraq's alleged WMDs that didn't exist.

and yet idiots like Harry still fall for the same trick

god, people are dumb

Originally Posted by Neo

shilary is corrupt and this is the spin, its not about her its about those damn russians and you're helping to propagate the lie.

No one cares about Hillary any more, she lost, she's gone, out of it, why do you insist on constantly bringing her up? Why would they try to spin a story to distract from Hillary when no one's talking about Hillary? There's nothing to distract from.
YOU'RE using HER as a spin to distract from the Russian hacking.
As someone noted, no one is claiming that it had a direct effect on the election.
What people are really concerned about is that the Russians in a brazenly aggressive way interfered in U.S. politics and the President Elect is not at all interested.
Did you know they also hacked the Republican party but whatever they found they are keeping to themselves. Have they got something on Trump? Will he be in power only as long as the Russians allow him? Will he be required to do their bidding?
Why aren't you lot taking this more seriously?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

17 US intelligence agencies, who presumably have information to which we are not privy, have stated that Russia was behind the hacking.

I do not know the veracity of your figure "17 intelligence agencies", seeing as no Link was provided. But it leads to an obvious question- why the hell have 17 intelligence agencies? I'll leave that with the US taxpayer.

But I do know one thing- not one single thread of hard evidence has been provided, besides hearsay, and as best I am aware, almost all of these allegations have come from 'un-named sources'. Whereas the Hillary Emails are in hard copy- black and white. Furthermore an individual who was willing to name himself- one Julian Assange- specifically stated that the leaked Emails were not the work of the Russian government. On record.

Maybe you think you can trust our government(s) because, y'know, we are the good guys- and Russia, obviously, the bad guys. I mean, our governments constantly tell us that all the time- so it must be right h'mmm? But I certainly can't, not after Iraq, Iran, Syria, 911- etc etc.

Originally Posted by sabang

Russia, obviously, the bad guys.

I am not going to make a case for my government being good guys but can you make a case for the Russians not being bad guys? It seems that many of you regulars in this thread spend a lot of time putting Russia on a pedestal. What is the motivating factor in doing that?

Originally Posted by Neo

nice story... but harry you like to think yourself a bit of a cyber buff, I've trawled through all these stories about the Russians hacking Shilary and it all boils down to speculation. the fact that there is a russian 'fingerprint' in some of the electronic script makes it just as likely as not that it wasn't the russians at all... and anyway wtf.. shilary is corrupt and this is the spin, its not about her its about those damn russians and you're helping to propagate the lie.

They should have just contacted you in the first place for your analysis. Saved them a lot of time .

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

well at least I am not worshiping an old witch who cowardly murder children with drones strikes at 10,000 feet in the air

Yeah, cowardly Putin has barrel bombs for his indiscriminate murder by air campaigns. Much more in the Stalin tradition.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by Neverna

The old "they presumably have information to which we are not privy" gambit. I remember that well leading up to war with Iraq's and Iraq's alleged WMDs that didn't exist.

and yet idiots like Harry still fall for the same trick

god, people are dumb

I don't believe Harry is dumb but I do suspect he is working for a western propaganda machine somewhere.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

well at least I am not worshiping an old witch who cowardly murder children with drones strikes at 10,000 feet in the air

Yeah, cowardly Putin has barrel bombs for his indiscriminate murder by air campaigns. Much more in the Stalin tradition.

Putin has barrel bombs? Really? And he's used them?

Got any evidence for that claim? Or even a link?

Originally Posted by Neverna

Putin has barrel bombs? Really? And he's used them?

His triggerman Assad used them, are you denying it?

Originally Posted by Neverna

Putin has barrel bombs? Really? And he's used them?

He doesn't need them he has far more deadly munitions deployed in Syria. He turned Aleppo into glass.

Originally Posted by bsnub

It seems that many of you regulars in this thread spend a lot of time putting Russia on a pedestal.

Russia- corrupt, been through a hard time economically, an aging military- but still by no means paltry (and nuclear armed), no longer a Communist country- more like a crony capitalist country. Hasn't invaded anyone in recent history, but I really think it is stupid to provoke it on it's own doorstep, or try to overthrow it's close allies because of a damn oil pipeline (you don't actually believe the 'human rights' story do you?)- plus of course to tweak the nose of the Russian bear. Putin is a classic strongman, who is no doubt behind the deaths of several political enemies and dissidents- but he remains popular in Russia, to a degree our western leaders can only dream about.

I hardly think that is putting Russia, or Putin, on a pedestal. Neither do I think the following is-
1- I think Nato's headlong expansionism towards Russra's borders (against previous solemn promises made by the USA) is both reckless and irresponsible- and harmful to the interests of your European allies.
2- I think our involvement in the Ukrainian coup' was very reckless and irresponsible, and furthermore think Putin's subsequent reunification of Crimea with Russia (following a crushing referendum victory), only made sense under the circumstance.
3- I support Putin's campaign against the mainly foreign Islamic militant rebels in Syria- it is not him fighting the Kurds for example, it is our 'close ally' Turkey.
4- Unless needlessly provoked, I do not believe Russia poses a tangible threat to Europe or the west in general. Indeed, Russia is the EU's dominant supplier of energy- and in turn, the EU is Russia's largest foreign investor. So just exactly what is the US playing at?

Originally Posted by Cujo

Originally Posted by Neo

shilary is corrupt and this is the spin, its not about her its about those damn russians and you're helping to propagate the lie.

No one cares about Hillary any more, she lost, she's gone, out of it, why do you insist on constantly bringing her up? Why would they try to spin a story to distract from Hillary when no one's talking about Hillary? There's nothing to distract from.
YOU'RE using HER as a spin to distract from the Russian hacking.
As someone noted, no one is claiming that it had a direct effect on the election.
What people are really concerned about is that the Russians in a brazenly aggressive way interfered in U.S. politics and the President Elect is not at all interested.
Did you know they also hacked the Republican party but whatever they found they are keeping to themselves. Have they got something on Trump? Will he be in power only as long as the Russians allow him? Will he be required to do their bidding?
Why aren't you lot taking this more seriously?

again cujo you just prove what a dumb fucking sheep you are...

just tell me who the subject of the hacking was again...

yeah nobody is talking bout her anymore.. funny that innit

Originally Posted by Cujo

no one is claiming that it had a direct effect on the election.

thick as fuck

Originally Posted by sabang

not one single thread of hard evidence has been provided, besides hearsay, and as best I am aware, almost all of these allegations have come from 'un-named sources'. Whereas the Hillary Emails are in hard copy- black and white

Exactly

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Neverna

Putin has barrel bombs? Really? And he's used them?

His triggerman Assad used them, are you denying it?

why are all americans delusional ?

The use of bombs in war- I mean, what is the world coming to. Us good guys would never do that, would we? I was going to ask the Mayor of Hiroshima, but he appears to have evaporated.

Humberq and snub, dumb and dumber