Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by OhOh

Are you suggesting that Iran does not have an oil business plus other industries at the moment and has not delivered oil, presumably from it's own resources, for the past few years to countries willing and able to buy it?

By now you should realise that I tend to write mostly in English. Therefore if I wish to suggest something, I'll start the sentence with the words "I suggest".

I am STATING that Iran's O&G infrastructure is in a massive state of disrepair, primarily down to the fact that they have not been able to perform required maintenance for years.

Yes they've kept a bit of production going, mostly for domestic use, and a limited amount to countries exempt from the sanctions, but before they can resume peak production they have a shitload of work to do and money to spend.

The good thing for them is that at least they've had this enforced savings plan which means they can do it without having to go out and borrow.

Their last two budgets were at $72 and $40 a barrel, and they've already had to make cuts to avoid going into recession.

If they behave themselves, they're actually in a good position to weather the oil price storm (which has at least another year to run) and come out of it in good shape.

If.

But the companies they need to come in and fix things are going to want guarantees that they are going to get paid.

What was the point of this argument? That Iran can't raise a few billion dollars for (whatever it was)?

Meanwhile, austerity Britain can find £100 billion for Trident.

You're talking out of your arse again Harry.

Britain hasn't had years of international sanctions against it, and the risk of them being imposed again at the drop of a hat.

You moron.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You moron.

Proving yet again that its easier to say something offensive than to say something intelligent.

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You moron.

Proving yet again that its easier to say something offensive than to say something intelligent.

Are you retarded or something? Or ADHD?

You're talking out of your arse again Harry.

You think that because of sanctions and required maintenance Iran can't raise a few billion dollars.. based on what..? Your very black and white view of the world.

Ooh there's sanctions, that will work, oh they've got infrastructure to maintain, how could they possibly afford anything else.

China and Russia don't have sanctions on Iran, quite the opposite in fact.
OhOh posted on Iran's GDP (-0.7%) which you just completely ignore.

You openly admit that you choose not to investigate alternative news sources or differentiate between numbers of soldiers involved in a conflict, and then demand others should accept your opinion as being correct just because you say so.

I can always tell when you know you're bullshit is backfiring, you start hurling the insults.

Laughable.

Originally Posted by Neo

You think that because of sanctions and required maintenance Iran can't raise a few billion dollars.. based on what..? Your very black and white view of the world.

Ooh there's sanctions, that will work, oh they've got infrastructure to maintain, how could they possibly afford anything else.

China and Russia don't have sanctions on Iran, quite the opposite in fact.
OhOh posted on Iran's GDP (-0.7%) which you just completely ignore.

You openly admit that you choose not to investigate alternative news sources or differentiate between numbers of soldiers involved in a conflict, and then demand others should accept your opinion as being correct just because you say so.

I can always tell when you know you're bullshit is backfiring, you start hurling the insults.

Laughable.

You quite obviously elected not to read my post before commenting on it.

And you expect to be taken seriously.

The GDP figure is completely irrelevant to the standard of living.

Try looking at the nominal GDP instead.

You'll find Iran is currently around 100 in the world, below even Thailand.

And they don't have infrastructure to maintain, if you'd read my post instead of wasting your time with your stupid kneejerk bollocks, I said they have an entire oil and gas infrastructure to REPAIR because they haven't been able to carry out routine maintenance on everything for a decade.

Honestly, if you bothered to read what I wrote and had some kind of answer to it, I would bother debating with you, but you just post this uppity bollocks all the time, and frankly it's boring.

I openly admit I don't take Russia (or Iranian)- government sponsored television news seriously. No-one in their right mind does.

That doesn't exactly cut off the supply of news from these countries, does it?

Now, let's look at another source of info than Wikipedia, eh?

You might want to take a close look at inflation rate, unemployment, and especially balance of trade. You can even find the nominal GDP figure if you look closely enough.

Iran | Economic Forecasts | 2016-2020 Outlook

And while you think GDP growth is a good thing, what effect do you think that's going to have on an inflation rate already nudging 10%?

Pretty sure the actual argument was whether Iran could raise a couple of billion dollars, for what ever reason.. and yes I read your post and get your point, but its a very one sided view. The West imposed sanctions therefore Iran is broke.

You really think Iran is so bankrupt it can't raise a couple billion?

Seems a fucking pointless argument anyway.. still, your willingness to defend your position regardless is a given

Originally Posted by Neo

Pretty sure the actual argument was whether Iran could raise a couple of billion dollars, for what ever reason.. and yes I read your post and get your point, but its a very one sided view. The West imposed sanctions therefore Iran is broke.

You really think Iran is so bankrupt it can't raise a couple billion?

Seems a fucking pointless argument anyway.. still, your willingness to defend your position regardless is a given

See what happens when you poke your fucking nose in?

You just make yourself look like a c u n t.

I have no objection to you joining in a discussion, but for fuck's sake read the posts.

It's pointless you joining in the conversation if you aren't following it.

Fair enough Harry, I've steamed in to the middle of your argument and I'm getting my fingers burned here..,
but it is a fucking pointless argument anyway.

What was the question.?

Originally Posted by Neo

Fair enough Harry, I've steamed in to the middle of your argument and I'm getting my fingers burned here..,
but it is a fucking pointless argument anyway.

What was the question.?

What is the capital of Peru?

Potato

The lights in Crimea are returning.




"Today in Crimea, ahead of schedule, the third line of the power bridge from the power systems and nuclear power plants in Krasnodar Krai to Crimea was completed. According to the schedule the connection should have been completed later on, but the President of Russia issued the instruction "to try to speed up the completion" of the second, and now third energy line ahead of time. This event caused a storm of emotion on social networks.
"The head of the Kerch RES, Aleksandr Zabelin, told Crimeans that from 5am on 28th February to 10 p.m. on 29th February the Peninsula will see electricity shortages due to work on the connection of a third energy line of the bridge from Russia",- reported the mass media.

"At the moment we are conducting test connections and "operational" connections on the third line of the power bridge to Crimea; new capacity comes from the Russian Peninsula uninterrupted, the mains are operating normally," said the Department of Energy to Politonline.ru.

"We expect the fourth section to be connected, the last line, and then Crimea will be fully electrically independent and, moreover, they will be able to offer electricity. Here is a little secret - the connection will occur sooner than planned. After that there will be no more power blackouts in Crimea, finally," added the agency."


It's good to see somebody actually improving peoples lives occasionally.

Originally Posted by OhOh

It's good to see somebody actually improving peoples lives occasionally.

I bet the ones shipped off to the gulags or executed by his assassins don't see it that way.

Ukraine's new defense minister has vowed to retake Crimea.. apparently.
There's a few fringe news sites carrying the story, and the Mail.. so did it actually happen? Could be that the new defense minister went off script and believes the bs that the US has been feeding the forces it's been training there, meanwhile in the real world is silence as the annexation of Crimea nears its two year anniversary.

Originally Posted by Neo

Ukraine's new defense minister has vowed to retake Crimea.. apparently.
There's a few fringe news sites carrying the story, and the Mail.. so did it actually happen? Could be that the new defense minister went off script and believes the bs that the US has been feeding the forces it's been training there, meanwhile in the real world is silence as the annexation of Crimea nears its two year anniversary.

Can't see it happening.

No-one really gives a shit, as long as Vlad sticks and doesn't twist.

Exactly, its a done deal... EU forces are stretched thin and struggling to maintain their hardware, RU and US forces are concentrating on Syria. Meanwhile the US is still training forces in Ukraine for a recapture of Crimea that will never happen, keeping the flames alive on a conflict that is still claiming lives.

Originally Posted by Neo

Exactly, its a done deal... EU forces are stretched thin and struggling to maintain their hardware, RU and US forces are concentrating on Syria. Meanwhile the US is still training forces in Ukraine for a recapture of Crimea that will never happen, keeping the flames alive on a conflict that is still claiming lives.

Alternatively, they are training the Ukrainians to stop these Russian nationalists expanding further into Ukraine.

They've got Ukraine. They should stop at that.

There was a recent NATO report that said it doesn't have enough serviceable equipment or manpower to effectively defend Europe against a full scale invasion by Russia.

Not that Putin cares for war with NATO, he's too busty winning the war of hearts and minds.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I bet the ones shipped off to the gulags or executed by his assassins don't see it that

Dream on and keep taking the happy pills, they can alter ones perception of many things.

Originally Posted by Neo

There was a recent NATO report that said it doesn't have enough serviceable equipment or manpower to effectively defend Europe against a full scale invasion by Russia.

They are "pre-positioning the heavy stuff" as we speak. You know, right on the border with Russia. The promised "no NATO eastwards expansion agreement" just forgotten. One wonders if the British had just"forgotten" thier agreement with Czechoslovakia things may have ended differently.

Just like the "prepositioning of weapons on the borders of Iraq. They lost that battle and they think they can take on the LORD and his buddies.

No problem the UK and French governments have so much cash lying around they will buy everyone protection. They will "probably" help keep an eye on the UK citizens, be they in Bradford or Idlib.

https://www.rt.com/uk/334444-cameron...de-drone-deal/

The true believers/advocates in democracy bypass it once again.

https://www.rt.com/uk/334402-trident...t-fallon-vote/

The Ukrainian government fails, once again, to abide by an agreement they and others signed.

https://www.rt.com/news/334469-ukrai...-talks-lavrov/

You'r not still peddling that bullshit are you?

The Russians shot it down.

Get over it.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Neo

That's a bit lazy OhOh,

Yes it is.

Unfortunately until somebody starts rebuilding the the devastated cities and uncovering the bodies buried under the rubble, the real numbers are completely unknown and any quoted, must be treated with suspicion. Not that numbers really matter. If a countries government is committing genocide, it is committing genocide. Which has historically required UN sanctions. Against the country, it's leaders and of course mainly the suffering citizens. There are numerous current or recently rescinded sanctioned or invaded countries for far less:

#1 “We Can’t Stand Aside And Watch xxxx Kill His Own People” - We have plenty of weapons you can buy.
#2 “It Would Just Be A Humanitarian Mission” - The never ending feeling of being saved is financially beneficial to us.
#3 “xxxx Is Torturing Prisoners“ - Just like we do , world wide.
#4 “The xxxx Rebels Will Not Be Able To Take Down xxxxx Without Our Help” - Or with it seemingly.
#5 “U.S. Interests Are Being Threatened” - Being an "exceptional country" we need more vassals.
#6 “xxxxx Is Crazy” - Look how he dresses, shit he sleeps in a tent.
#7 “xxxxx Has Weapons Of Mass Destruction“ "Probably"
#8 “xxxxi Will Use Chemical Weapons If We Don’t Stop Him” - He "probably" has some that he "probably" will use "sometime".
#9 “xxxx Has “1,000 Metric Tons Of Uranium Yellowcake“ - Look at the piece of paper I am holding up at this windswept airport, look at the image my assistant has displayed, on this very big screen and in this very important venue.
#10 “European Energy Companies Are Deeply Invested In xxxx Oil And Gas Fields” - The contracts are up for renewal and the terms are making it less profitable for us.
#11 “Millions of Dollars Worth Of Infrastructure Will Be Destroyed If We Don’t Intervene” - We may not win the reconstruction/repair/upgrade contracts unless the installed government is our lackey.
#12 “The Crisis In xxxx Is Bad For The Global Economy” - WE need to export some more bombs....
#13 “Someone Has To Protect The (insert image of baby, rabbit or fish swimming in crystal clear water)” We need more vassals to sell too.
#14 “We Have Got To Go Into xxxx To Keep (insert current global threat name here) From Getting A Foothold” - We are losing control of an outsider country and our competitor is making unacceptable inroads.


Some countries "leaders" were condemned to death for similar crimes against humanity. Some countries were "bombed back to the stone age", not once but it's continually going on TODAY Now some "exceptional" countries use the throwaway term "collateral damage". How moral standards have diminished for some.

The quoted sources are immediately discarded by most, mainly because they are not the "top" rated - by google/facefu.../or any other western owned media outlet.

If you want real "out of your mind stories" I suggest WhatDoesItMean.com

Dont really want to quibble but you have the answers to #7 and #8 wrong

#7. We know they do we sold them to them when they were our friends.

#8 . They have probably used them all on our previous enemies by now but just in case they have some left...........

Well it was said often that the yanks knew he had chemical weapons because "they had all the receipts".