How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

**harrybarracuda** · 04-10-2015, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Prikkus

Originally Posted by Looper

Territorial acquisition is a dangerous game to start playing. The world has moved on from the age of annexation and invasion.

I hope the world can show a united front when it comes to sanctions to see if we are able to control bad behaviour without military force.

yeah right, like it's ok if The West can bomb and invade other countries, but not if someone else does - sounds like hypocrisy here

You do know Russia is a Permanent member of the UN Security Council, right?

**Neo** · 04-10-2015, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Prikkus

Originally Posted by Looper

Territorial acquisition is a dangerous game to start playing. The world has moved on from the age of annexation and invasion.

I hope the world can show a united front when it comes to sanctions to see if we are able to control bad behaviour without military force.

yeah right, like it's ok if The West can bomb and invade other countries, but not if someone else does - sounds like hypocrisy here

Hi Prikkus meet Looper, he has his talents but being non-partisan or well informed are not among them.

**eceg** · 04-10-2015, 11:06 PM

quote Neo; I think.......

really?

**OhOh** · 05-10-2015, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by eceg

but knowing that the decade-long boss of the KGB/FSB is one of the most professional and well trained liars on the planet.

It seems the Russians, following the Chinese SOP, are actually building things rather than blowing them up. This will not go down well with the crusader coalition. Another target for Cameroon's new drones possibly.

Russian bridge to Crimea going up at lightning speed

Russian bridge to Crimea going up at lightning speed (PHOTO, VIDEO) ? RT Business

Computer generated video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=129&v=fppGkUsPV2U

The crusader coalition however continues on it's merry "send them back to the stone age" SOP.

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org...stroyed-kunduz

Afghanistan: MSF Staff Killed, Hospital Partially Destroyed in Kunduz

"October 02, 2015

UPDATE (October 3; 6:45AM EST):
AFGHANISTAN: MSF INFORMED ALL FIGHTING PARTIES OF GPS COORDINATES
OCTOBER 3, 2015 — Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) condemns in the strongest possible terms the horrific bombing of its hospital in Kunduz, which was full of staff and patients. MSF wishes to clarify that all parties to the conflict, including in Kabul and Washington, were clearly informed of the precise location (GPS Coordinates) of the MSF facilities in Kunduz, including the hospital, guesthouse, office and an outreach stabilization unit in Chardara northwest of Kunduz.
As it does in all conflict contexts, MSF communicated the precise locations of its facilities to all parties on multiple occasions over the past months, including most recently on September 29.
The bombing in Kunduz continued for more than 30 minutes after American and Afghan military officials in Kabul and Washington were first informed by MSF that its hospital was struck. MSF urgently seeks clarity on exactly what took place and how this terrible event could have happened."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...876_story.html

"the U.S.-led military coalition in Kabul issued a statement confirming one American airstrike that may have caused “collateral damage” to a “medical facility.” Authorities said it was launched against “insurgents who were directly firing upon U.S. servicemembers” who had traveled to Kunduz to advise Afghan security forces."

"was unclear how close Taliban fighters may have been to the hospital Saturday or whether the U.S. military didn’t realize the building was a hospital. Afghan security officials said Taliban fighters had been pouring into the facility in recent days seeking treatment for gunshot wounds and other injuries.

The charity and other international organizations reacted with outrage, and the hospital’s management said it had repeatedly informed the U.S.-led coalition of the facility’s precise GPS coordinates over the past few months. The location of the hospital was last conveyed to the international coalition three days before the airstrike, officials added."

The hospital was attacked either for the intent of killing "terrorist" using the hospital as cover or for patching up the "terrorists" who had been in action previously.

As we have no drone footage of the incident, unlike the Syrian/Russian attacks on "terrorists" in Syria, to substantiate the former, the latter seems a more probable reason. Obviously incompetence and the acceptance of them to inflict "collateral damage" on innocent civilians is probably closer to their "exceptional" mindset.

If the crusader coalition takes the view, the "exceptional" right of bombing hospitals used to patch up terrorists, when will the attacks on Israeli hospitals patching up Syrian "terrorists" begin?

**harrybarracuda** · 05-10-2015, 01:45 PM

Yes, the "crusader coalition" that includes Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, the UAE, Oman, Qatar, Jordan........

You divvy.

**Scottish Gary** · 05-10-2015, 01:53 PM

Vladimir had a classic case of small man syndrome. He is the 5 footer in the bar trying to pick fights because he is jealous of all his taller better looking mates
Combine that with the fact that he is trying to protect his creepy mate who everyone hates is upsetting the entire bar. So yep he is a dangerous little fucker

**harrybarracuda** · 05-10-2015, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Scottish Gary

Vladimir had a classic case of small man syndrome. He is the 5 footer in the bar trying to pick fights because he is jealous of all his taller better looking mates
Combine that with the fact that he is trying to protect his creepy mate who everyone hates is upsetting the entire bar. So yep he is a dangerous little fucker

He's a cold war dinosaur who's never got over the fact that Ronnie crippled the USSR.

**eceg** · 05-10-2015, 03:44 PM

[QUOTE Neo; oh dear...

either another troll fail... or American, 50+, Republican, blue collar

same same but different nah QUOTE]

Wrong. Again.
Nobody despises American aggression more than I do. From slaughtering the Indians to slavery, Hiroshima, Mosaddegh, Chile, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
The WMD myth was the biggest lie of the century and has brought devastation to the whole world.
But, hating so much of America's "culture" does not oblige me love all things Russian. Russia's history is as flawed as America's.
Anybody with half a brain laughed at GW because he had a minus IQ and was merely a stooge of big business and the military-industrial complex.
What bugs me is that otherwise intelligent people sit at the feet of a KGB trained liar and blindly lap up his words as frank, honest and true.

**KEVIN2008** · 05-10-2015, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by eceg

[QUOTE Neo; oh dear...

What bugs me is that otherwise intelligent people sit at the feet of a KGB trained liar and blindly lap up his words as frank, honest and true.

Hitler comes to mind ...

**Neo** · 05-10-2015, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Scottish Gary

Bush had a classic case of small man syndrome. He is the 5 footer in the bar trying to pick fights because he is jealous of all his taller better looking mates
Combine that with the fact that he is trying to protect his creepy mate who everyone hates is upsetting the entire bar. So yep he is a dangerous little fucker

deja vu.?

**Neo** · 05-10-2015, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by eceg

Nobody despises American aggression more than I do. From slaughtering the Indians to slavery, Hiroshima, Mosaddegh, Chile, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
The WMD myth was the biggest lie of the century and has brought devastation to the whole world.

yet you refuse to accept an ongoing projection of US agression

Originally Posted by eceg

But, hating so much of America's "culture" does not oblige me love all things Russian. Russia's history is as flawed as America's.

or accept that not every country in the world is prepared to crumble before Americas death culture

15 years of the war on terror and the US is helping terrorists to overthrow a legitimate government, and we know how far back that story goes

**Prikkus** · 05-10-2015, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You do know Russia is a Permanent member of the UN Security Council, right?

The UN - it means dick, virtually irrelevant as far as the big powers are concerned

**Prikkus** · 05-10-2015, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

He's a cold war dinosaur who's never got over the fact that Ronnie crippled the USSR.

I think you'll be made to eat your words, because whilst Russia has remained strong, the West has now regressed into pussified liberalism, with Russia and China moving on up to the top

Ronald Reagan? fuk me, who's the dino eh? it's not the 80's anymore

**OhOh** · 06-10-2015, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Neo

Quote: Originally Posted by eceg View Post Nobody despises American aggression more than I do. From slaughtering the Indians to slavery, Hiroshima, Mosaddegh, Chile, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. The WMD myth was the biggest lie of the century and has brought devastation to the whole world. yet you refuse to accept an ongoing projection of US agression

Not only refuses to accept, he accepts all the Great Satan hands out in terms of benefits and an "exceptional" attitude.

"It's not me who continues to support the illegal actions of the crusader coalition, but I'll accept the exceptional status it affords me to portray"

Hypocrite was the word invented for such animals.

Originally Posted by Prikkus

The UN - it means dick, virtually irrelevant as far as the big powers are concerned

The law is applied to all. Or is than another fantasy the "exceptional" do not accept.

Originally Posted by Prikkus

it's not the 80's anymore

The 80's surely we are all still in the 70's.

I must stop taking the little blue pills my friend sells me, Bukra Insh’allah.

**harrybarracuda** · 06-10-2015, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Prikkus

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

He's a cold war dinosaur who's never got over the fact that Ronnie crippled the USSR.

I think you'll be made to eat your words, because whilst Russia has remained strong, the West has now regressed into pussified liberalism, with Russia and China moving on up to the top

Ronald Reagan? fuk me, who's the dino eh? it's not the 80's anymore

It appears that you struggle with the English language. I referred to him as a dinosaur because he's as much a "winning the cold war" advocate as Reagan was. And Reagan can be rightly referred to as a dinosaur now.

**harrybarracuda** · 06-10-2015, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Prikkus

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You do know Russia is a Permanent member of the UN Security Council, right?

The UN - it means dick, virtually irrelevant as far as the big powers are concerned

Actually it doesn't. Otherwise Assad would be wanted in the ICC by now. Thanks to Russia he's not.

**eceg** · 06-10-2015, 04:49 PM

Neo and OhOh overlook the fact that the POTUS is now BO and not GW. They are living in yesterday's world.
Obama is a dove. He is trying to extricate the USA from the quagmire GW left it in. He wants to close Guantamano, normalize relations with Iran and Cuba and withdraw his military from the ME disaster area.
In view of this, only the blind and yesterday's people can today spout bullshit cliches about an ongoing projection of American aggression, American death culture,Great Satan, Axis of Evil, crusader coalition.
As America lowers it's profile Russia has eagerly taken over as the bully on the block. The annexation of the Crimea is an example of Russian style "legitimacy"; the same bully boy based legitimacy as Ceaucescu and co. and his mate Assad who butchered his own people rather than concede an inch to the wind of change of the Arab Spring.
Power corrupts. Everywhere, in America and in Russia. To criticize America's many faults is totally justified. But to portray Putin as a knight in shining armour is ludicrous and hypocritical.
I've never been there; the only benefit or exceptional status I've received from the USA is from being born in the free western part of Europe that they helped liberate from the nazis. The Russian "liberation" of eastern Europe brought brutal suppression and poverty.

**KEVIN2008** · 07-10-2015, 04:19 AM

Vladimir Putin has lashed out at John McCain over his threats that the PM may face same fate as the late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. The Russian premier speculated that the US senator has been traumatized by his POW experience....

**MrG** · 07-10-2015, 05:27 AM

^
Seems to play well to kids with bangs in in uniforms, and probably to many in the home crowd.

**OhOh** · 07-10-2015, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by eceg

He is trying to extricate the USA from the quagmire GW left it in. He wants to close Guantamano, normalize relations with Iran and Cuba and withdraw his military from the ME disaster area.

He has stated that they are his aims many times over the years. He has actually delivered none in his, how many years of his presidential terms? The world is still "Hoping" for a "Change".

Originally Posted by eceg

As America lowers it's profile

When did that happen? These pills really are good today.

Originally Posted by eceg

his mate Assad who butchered his own people rather than concede an inch to the wind of change of the Arab Spring

Many countries leaders have butchered their own countries people. How are the Sioux, Picts, Vikings, Hindus, Muslims, Protestants, Catholics, Incas, Aboriginals, Kiwis ....... doing these days?

Originally Posted by eceg

But to portray Putin as a knight in shining armour is ludicrous and hypocritical.

Has he offended you? How was that? Has he stood up to tyrants, has he protected his people or has he not fulfilled his agendas in the periods when he has the reigns of power in Russia? Or has he lied, forgotten all agreements, terrorised millions of civilians, killed 100,000's - because "it was worth it", lost a number of wars, taken his country to 3rd world status .........?

Originally Posted by eceg

being born in the free western part of Europe that they helped liberate from the nazis. The Russian "liberation" of eastern Europe brought brutal suppression and poverty.

Take a look at a few history books, watch a few ytub videos or ask one of your line friends - select whichever media is suitable for your age group, for a balanced view

**spliff** · 07-10-2015, 11:24 AM

Putin's Syria strategy at work in Crimea. Say a lie long enough, use it to justify crackdown, lie becomes truth

A New Danger Signal: Russian Occupiers Say Crimean Tatars ?Heavily Armed?

**OhOh** · 07-10-2015, 01:24 PM

^A link to an article about another "reporters claims. Anything from the Russian Authorities, Crimean or national to support either the claims or any measures the authorities intend to take?

The publications owners:

The Institute of Modern Russia continues to fund the project.

Founded in 2010, IMR is located in New York City and is an affiliate of the Open Russia movement. IMR is a federal tax-exempt Section 501(c)(3) public charity, incorporated in New Jersey.

The story is spiked until you have evidence, my boy.

**eceg** · 07-10-2015, 03:17 PM

OhOh, Obama is delivering. His changes take time because he is not a one -man- show dictator. He does not have a rubber stamp parliament.
Massive troop reductions in Iraq and Afghanistan; and to a lesser extent in Europe. Reducing his military budget as a % of GDP, even as Putin has increased his 50% in a few years.
The "he's a bastard, but he's my bastard" tactic is risky and often counter-productive; Batista, Shah Reza, the Warsaw Pact dictators, Milosevic, Saddam Hussein.
Your great leader Putin is leading his country towards bankruptcy.
I think I have gotten a balanced view by having friends in and many visits to eastern Europe over 30 years; including Katyn and some of Ceausescu's torture prisons.

**baldrick** · 07-10-2015, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by eceg

Your great leader Putin is leading his country towards bankruptcy

leading his kleptocracy toward bankruptcy - his propaganda machine can only paper over the cracks for so long and this new world commodities downturn is going to cut deep

**OhOh** · 08-10-2015, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Yes, the "crusader coalition" that includes Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, the UAE, Oman, Qatar, Jordan........ You divvy.

I am sure that the middle east group have the ultimate say Harry.

Originally Posted by eceg

Obama is delivering. His changes take time because he is not a one -man- show dictator. He does not have a rubber stamp parliament.

Most of the world countries have a similar system. Unfortunately many of the elected representatives are bought and paid slaves. Have a look at election spending by the participants and the sources of such funds.Then look at the elected representatives voting records.

Yet he has time to deliver somethings, unfortunately to the bad guys:

Originally Posted by eceg

Massive troop reductions in Iraq and Afghanistan

Which have been replace in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria with illegally funded terrorists.

Originally Posted by eceg

Your great leader Putin is leading his country towards bankruptcy.

My great leader Putin, he does what I tell him to do or else.

On the other hand your POTUSE and the previous incumbents have already bankrupted his own country, the EU.............

Originally Posted by eceg

I think I have gotten a balanced view by having friends in and many visits to eastern Europe over 30 years; including Katyn and some of Ceausescu's torture prisons

Have you been invited to a White House state dinner, an EU leaders meeting banquet? Have you visited any of your POUSE's friends yachts, had tea at the vatican?

But dream on and have a nice day.

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