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    From an article published December 2013.

    "The outcome of last week’s Russia-Ukraine talks in Moscow was predictably unexpected. Besides outstanding USD 15 billion – worth allocation of Russia’s National Welfare Funds in Ukrainian Eurobonds and drastic 33% cut of the Russian export gas prices that Moscow conceded to Kyiv, 14 other agreements provided legal framework for multi-billion joint industrial projects in hi-tech (space, aviation, ship-building, engine machinery, nuclear power), transport infrastructure (new multimodal gateway at the frontier Kerch strait) and lifting a number of mutual trade limitations. The agreements do not envisage any political commitments like joining Russia-led Customs Union or restricting budgetary expenses and salary freeze as it was required by the IMF."



    A year ago things looked so much better for the Ukrainian people.

    Ukrainian Dream Comes True[at]|[at]Oriental Review
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    http://rt.com/news/228043-ukraine-conflict-army-russia/

    Ukraine chief of staff ‘thwarts Western allegations’ by admitting no combat with Russian troops

    Kind of contradicts the "official" reasons for the sanctions and the US sending more guns and ammo to the Nazis in Kiev when the words of a top Ukrainian General completely contradicts obombas war hungry blood thirsty rhetoric.

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    ^according to Russian state controlled media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    ^according to Russian state controlled media.
    Just because your precious elite owned press wont show you the video of the interview does not mean it did not happen. Blimey never thought you were that brain dead. Well yes I did actually.

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    Nobody other than some crazy religious nutcase is going to launch nuclear weapons. They are not a deterrent in themselves. MAD is the deterrent.

    Vlad The Man have visions of greatness, not heaven. Nuclear weapons are not a threat, except for the above-mentioned whack jobs.



    My 2c in the Looper vs the Nutjobs thread.

    (Wtf happened in my absence? Looper evolving from wearing high heels to making sense. What's the world coming to?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    obombas war hungry blood thirsty rhetoric.


    Obama, the dithering, blood thirsty, war mongering lamb.

    A veritable modern 'n meek Genghis Khan. Someone should do a cartoon of that image...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree View Post
    Nobody other than some crazy religious nutcase is going to launch nuclear weapons. They are not a deterrent in themselves. MAD is the deterrent.
    Israel and the us then. Echoes my thoughts as well

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    Israel I can buy, US not so much. Not quite crazy enuff. Even in Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    ^according to Russian state controlled media.
    Kiev Announces Russian Invasion of Ukraine a Hoax?

    Throughout this conflict every once in a while Ukrainian government officials have come clean about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    To the chagrin of the Obama Administration and NATO Russia has not invaded. This latest admission came twice today. Once by inference and the other a direct admission from Ukrainian Armed Forces Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Victor Muzhenko.

    During a briefing with General Muzenko he announced that “To date, we have only the involvement of some members of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and Russian citizens that are part of illegal armed groups involved in the fighting. We are not fighting with the regular Russian Army. We have enough forces and means in order to inflict a final defeat even with illegal armed formation present. “- he said.
    Ukraine says Russian Invasion Never Happened. Washington's Blog
    You bullied, you laughed, you lied, you lost!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones View Post
    " We are not fighting with the regular Russian Army."
    Well. No one on TD postulated that they did

    Not even the EU lackeys did

    Or did I miss something there ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge
    Or did I miss something there ?

    There are 33 pages, go have a look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones View Post
    " We are not fighting with the regular Russian Army."
    Well. No one on TD postulated that they did

    Not even the EU lackeys did

    Or did I miss something there ?
    The usual defenders of Obama are saying this. There really are some brain dead morons on this board slurping at obama and the state departments furry cup of lies.

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    I just watched this video. It takes about 10 minutes to get in to it but found it good.


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    Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

    Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed personal responsibility for unleashing the conflict in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

    "I was the one who pulled the trigger of this war," Strelkov said in an interview published Thursday with Russia's Zavtra newspaper, which espouses imperialist views.

    "If our unit hadn't crossed the border, everything would have fizzled out — like in [the Ukrainian city of] Kharkiv, like in Odessa," Strelkov, who uses that nom-de-guerre meaning "Shooter" to replace his last name Girkin, was quoted as saying.

    "There would have been several dozen killed, burned, detained. And that would have been the end of it. But the flywheel of the war, which is continuing to this day, was spun by our unit. We mixed up all the cards on the table," he said.

    Following Russia's annexation of Crimea this spring, clashes between pro-Ukrainian and pro-Moscow activists broke out in the cities of Kharkiv and Odessa, with more than 40 people killed in a fire in Odessa in early May.

    Since then, the two cities have remained largely peaceful, and most of the fighting between rebels and government forces has been limited to the eastern Luhansk and Donetsk regions.

    Strelkov's interview was published the same day the United Nations released a report highlighting the involvement of Russian fighters in the eastern Ukraine conflict, which has resulted in the deaths of more than 4,300 people since mid-April.

    "The continuing presence of a large amount of sophisticated weaponry, as well as foreign fighters that include servicemen from the Russian Federation, directly affects the human rights situation in the east of Ukraine," the report said.

    Reluctant
    Strelkov also told Zavtra that at the beginning of the conflict, Ukrainian separatists and government forces were reluctant to start fighting and that the main opposition to the rebels came from Ukraine's ultranationalist militants such as the Right Sector.

    "At first, nobody wanted to fight," he was quoted as saying. "The first two weeks went on under the auspices of the sides trying to convince each other [to engage]."

    But Strelkov claimed Kiev became emboldened after seeing that Russia was refraining from openly interfering in eastern Ukraine, as it did in Crimea, or from sending in large-scale forces.

    He added that the lack of large-scale support from Russia was a major disappointment for the separatists, who lacked the manpower or weapons to combat government forces.

    "Initially I assumed that the Crimea scenario would be repeated: Russia would enter," he told Zavtra. "That was the best scenario. And the population wanted that. Nobody intended to fight for the Luhansk and Donetsk republics. Initially everybody was for Russia."

    Russian Involvement
    Strelkov also gave an account of the degree of Russia's involvement in the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

    At the start of this summer, 90 percent of the rebel forces were made up of local residents, Strelkov was quoted as saying. However, by early August, Russian servicemen supposedly on "vacation" from the army had begun to arrive, he said.

    According to Strelkov, the assault on the Black Sea town of Mariupol in September, which prompted concerns in Ukraine and the West that Russia has entered the conflict on a large scale, was conducted mostly by the Russian military "vacationers."

    The rebel forces advancing on Mariupol at that time met with little resistance from government troops and "could have been taken without a fight, "but there was an order not to take it," he was quoted as saying.

    While Moscow has repeatedly denied supplying the rebels with weaponry and manpower, Strelkov said the assistance offered to rebels remains significant: "I can't say that we fully provide for them. But we are really helping them," he said, noting that half of the rebel army was equipped with winter clothes sent from Russia.

    Shock Decision
    After Donetsk and Luhansk held "referendums" on their independence from Ukraine in May, separatist leaders appealed to Moscow to accept the territories as Russian regions but Moscow responded with vague statements calling for "dialogue" between rebels and Kiev.

    The separatist groups had not contemplated building functional states and had pinned their hopes on being absorbed by Russia, Strelkov said, reasoning that Moscow needed a land connection to Crimea, which it had annexed in March.

    "And then, when I understood that Russia was not going to take us in — I associated myself with the resistance — for us that decision was a shock," Strelkov was quoted as saying.

    Strelkov has been living in Russia since early this fall, when he said he was moving to Moscow to protect President Vladimir Putin from enemies and traitors.

    While he seems to have fallen out of favor with Russia's state-run media, having disappeared from their newscasts, he has taken to YouTube and fringe publication to issue an occasional appeal for increased Russian military involvement in eastern Ukraine.

    "From the very beginning we started to fight for real — destroying raiding parties of the Right Sector," Strelkov told Zavtra. "And I take personal responsibility for what is happening there."

    According to a UN report released Thursday, at least 4,317 people had been killed in eastern Ukraine by mid-November, and 9,921 wounded. The casualties include nearly 1,000 who have perished since a "tenuous cease-fire" was established earlier this fall, the report said.

    Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine | News | The Moscow Times

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    The puppeteer behind Obama, Polish lord of the manor and ardent Russian hater Brzezinski continues to push for full on war against Russia

    Hearing National Security Threats | Video | C-SPAN.org

    Wants full on deployment of US military to the Baltic states. This bloke makes Dick Cheney and Bush "Cathy O'Brien's not his bigger fan" Senior and Jr look tame and fairly normal.

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    Ever wonder why these hawk fellas like Brzezinski and Kissinger sound like Dr. Strangelove?

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    Because they are?

    Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Ever wonder why these hawk fellas like Brzezinski and Kissinger sound like Dr. Strangelove?
    They're scary.
    Amazing [not really] that Brze still has some clout amongst the extremist factions.

    Folks akin need to be put down or put away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    ^according to Russian state controlled media.
    State run actually.

    The BBC is state run

    The CBC is state run

    ect ect ect

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    for those that are interested - Putin’s Way | FRONTLINE | PBS

    FRONTLINE investigates the accusations of criminality and corruption that have surrounded Vladimir Putin's reign in Russia.
    https://kickass.to/frontline-2015-pu...t10086505.html

    also I have decided to read this next

    Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible.The Surreal Heart of the New Russia - Peter Pomerantsev

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    for those that are interested - Putin’s Way | FRONTLINE | PBS
    But PBS is a proven propaganda vehicle for American Interests. I watched most of it until it dawned on me that it lacked any primary evidence and totally relied on anedotal stories from people who doubtless might be viewed as someone who has felt the wrath of Putin in some form or other.

    Sure he is no angel, but he is not pushing for WW3 like the people behind PBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    But PBS is a proven propaganda vehicle
    as always it is up to you to procure from the internet as many viewpoints as you wish - please post what you want to from prvada etc

    I have posted the link for people who may be unaware of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    But PBS is a proven propaganda vehicle
    as always it is up to you to procure from the internet as many viewpoints as you wish - please post what you want to from prvada etc

    I have posted the link for people who may be unaware of it
    I don't need to post a link from prvada. Very little point you posting the PBS one either as the mainstream press is full of this propaganda, and now we are seeing the media entertainment continuing the trend as well. After all since 2011 it is now Legal rather than a legal loop hole, for the US to propagandise Media.

    Of all the world leaders of import, Putin right now is the least dangerous hence the massive attack on him and Russia.
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    Allegedly, if you belive the evil empire press system. A ceasefire has been agreed between the Minsk 4 and the Contact group.

    Thirteen points have been published.

    "The deal was signed by the so-called “contact group,” which includes the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, a representative of the OSCE, Ukraine’s former President Viktor Kuchma and the Russian ambassador to Ukraine. Here is the breakdown of the deal:

    1. A comprehensive ceasefire in eastern Ukraine. Comes into force at 00.00 (Kiev time) on February 15.

    2. A pullout of heavy weapons. The parties agreed to a compromise disengagement line. Kiev is to pull artillery and other hardware from the current frontline while the rebels would do it from the frontline as it was in September, before they gained ground in a January counter-offensive. The OSCE-monitored safety zone would be 50 km to 150 km wide for weapons, depending on their range. The pullout is to be completed by March 1.

    3. The OSCE will use its drone fleet and monitors on the ground, as well as satellite images and radar data to ensure that both parties stick to the deal.

    4. Kiev and the rebels will negotiate the terms for future local elections in the rebel-held areas, which would bring them back into Ukraine’s legal framework. Kiev would adopt legislation on self-governance that would be acceptable for the self-proclaimed republics.

    6. An exchange of all prisoners must be completed by the fifth day after full disengagement. That’s in 19 days, if the weapons pullback takes the full time provided for by the deal.

    7. Humanitarian aid convoys will be allowed full access to the needy in the war-affected areas. An international monitoring mechanism will be provided.

    8. Kiev will restore economic ties, social payments and banking services in the dissenting areas, which it cut earlier in response to the elections held by the self-proclaimed republics. Their respective governments will resume taxation and payment for utilities. This provision is subject for further negotiation.

    9. After the local elections are held in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, Kiev is to restore control over their borders with Russia. The transition may take time, which would be needed for a comprehensive constitutional reform in Ukraine
    .

    10. All foreign troops, heavy weapons and mercenaries are to be withdrawn from Ukraine. Illegal armed groups would be disarmed, but local authorities in Donetsk and Lugansk would be allowed to have legal militia units.

    11. Keiv will implement comprehensive constitutional reform by the end of the year, which would decentralize the Ukrainian political system and give privileges to Donetsk and Lugansk. The privileges include language self-determination, the freedom to appoint prosecutors and judges, and to establish economic ties with Russia.

    12. The OSCE’s election monitors are to see that local elections in the self-proclaimed republics are up to international standards. The exact procedure for the elections is
    subject to further negotiations.

    13. Talks between the “contact group” will be intensified in various ways."


    http://rt.com/news/231667-minsk-ceasefire-deal-breakup/


    Something for everyone it seems.

    A link to a press conference by Putin.

    https://soundcloud.com/rttv/putin-minsk

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